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Postby donnieb883@q.com » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:36 pm



Thinking about getting a Goldwing 1800 with a sidecar. Anyone have any experience with one?


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Re: Sidecar

Postby Haggis68 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:41 am

I ride a GL1500 with a Flex it sidecar, absolutely brilliant.
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Re: Sidecar

Postby jonker » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:29 pm

I've been looking for a flexit sidecar for ages. Do you know if they are still sold?
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Re: Sidecar

Postby mervk » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:47 pm

Hi, Haggis68. Read your post while searching for info. I am about to fit a sidecar to a 1993 1500, and would appreciate some hints on attaching points. My email is merv@kroll.id.au if you have any photos of the outfit close at hand. Would really appreciate the assistance.

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Re: Sidecar

Postby Sidcar » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:07 pm

Hi,
I've got a 1991 1500gl with a Watsonian Oxford sidecar and it's great. The Oxford is a big chair but it still goes like a rat up a drain pipe. The downsides are the brakes are only just up to it (no sidecar brake unfortunately) and the steering is heavy and wobbles the h/bars at low speeds. After much research I can say that leading link forks are the most popular solution, and the most expensive, with EZ-Steer triple trees a close second and at £400 cheaper they are going to be my choice.
Mind you I am not the big and brawny type, if you are you'll probably wonder what I' fussing about.
Happy hacking anyway.


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Re: Sidecar

Postby mervk » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:39 pm

Sid, have followed your sidecar ownership while searching for info. Take my hat off to you for having a go, especially seeing what your bike was reduced to when replacing the petrol tank. I've been restoring old British bikes for a long time, but would hsitate to strip a Goldwing the way you did.

While you had it stripped to bare bones, did any of the pics you took show your sidecar attachment points? I'm especially concerned about the front points. Of most concern is stripping all the covers away without causing damage. It would be nice to have an idea what I'm going to attach to first. Though my 1500 is close to 20 years old, it has done just 10,000 kilometers, and is in showroom condition. Hence my nervousness.

I've had chairs for a lot of years, and enjoy using them. Currently own 3 bikes with them attached - 1914 Regnis V twin, 1923 Matchless 1000cc V twin Jap, and my wonderful old 86 1200 GW. The 1200 has been around the world a couple of times and plagued with electrical problems I've been unable to solve. It has a Californian "Escort" sidecar which I am removing today and taking to the painters for repaint to match the 1500. Old Faithful 86 model will now be parts bike for my pride and joy, 1985 1200 sei, which is painted up as a tribute to Roy Rodgers. Pics on www.kroll.id.au if you want a look.

Sid, doesn't matter if you use Earles forks, or change the triple tree, you'll still have a wobble at slow speeds, and the only way to totally remove it is with a steering damper. I have the leading link forks on the bike I'm retiring, and they are great. I can steer with one finger, so light is the steering, however it's only with the damper that the wobble totally disappeared. Only downside of these forks, is they are so ugly! I won't be fitting them to the 1500. However I will fit a damper somehow, and don't expect a wobble to be a problem.

Sometimes, steering wobble is made worse by the rider trying to fight it. I have found the best way over the years is to hold the bars firm enough to prevent it becoming a tank slapper, but loose enough to allow it to do it's own thing. Holding it tightly to try to prevent it sometimes just makes it worse.

Sure would appreciate any pics you can supply that may show your hook-up points. And happy to do likewise with the damper fitting after I get the chair fitted and work out how to attach it.

Cheers

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Re: Sidecar

Postby Sidcar » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:26 pm

Wotcha Merv,
My sidecar bolts to the front down tube, a subframe bolted on using the centre stand bolt and a small bracket bolted on under the seat handle. I'll take some photo's for you. The front mounting passes through the vent behind the fog lamp in the fairing to a clamp on the down tube, the fog lamp has been removed to make room for it.
I'd fit a damper but I don't see how to do it without removing part of the fairing or the trim round the forks.
The outfit I sold to make way for my Wing was a 1959 A10 Golden Flash and Squire sidecar. That handled perfectly, no damper (the friction damper was backed right off) handlebars steady as a rock. I sold it because the vibration was playing merry hell with my arthritis.
I also ride a 1930 BSA Sloper outfit that definitely has to have the damper wound on.

I'll get the camera out tomorrow and see if I can get some decent shots of the sidecar mountings.

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Re: Sidecar

Postby mervk » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:40 pm

Thanks Sid, you're a Godsend. I'll return the favor with photos and text on fitting the damper. Then all we'll have to worry about is strong shoulders for steering.

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Re: Sidecar

Postby Sidcar » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:38 pm

Wotcha Merv,
Lousy day here for photographing sidecar mountings, overcast with a fine drizzle so not a lot of natural light about. Had to take pictures in the workshop where it was even darker however if there are any parts you'd like a better picture of just say.
The sidecar was fitted by Watsonian themselves.

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Re: Sidecar

Postby mervk » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:01 pm

Mick, thanks for these photos, they are appreciated. Interesting to note they used 3 attachment points at the rear. My chassis has two only. Your shots here are quite clear. I have set Friday for making a start on swapping the chassis from the 1200 to the 1500, and have a mate coming to help. Expect it to take a couple of days, but I'll keep in touch.

Hope your weather improves. Our weather in sunny Queensland is normally good one day, and perfect the next. Yesterday was good. Today I'm going for a ride.

Cheers

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Re: Sidecar

Postby mervk » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:49 pm

Sid, I can't believe it! My sidecar is a Champion Escort (older version), and as I would like to replace a couple of shiny bits to go with my new paint, I checked their website. And believe it or not, they have the full installation instructions on their website. I have downloaded, and printed, and one page even shows how to install a damper! The attachment is to the bike, so this info will hold true for you as well, and I will attach a copy below this. Thier site has instructions for all makes and models of bikes if anyone else is reading this and needs similar info.

I am so very impressed with this company. The chair totally opens up for access, and even a wheelchair user would have no trouble getting in. It is fitted with interior courtesy light, speakers, cigerette lighter for power, and above all, auto height adjustment. Which means I can fine tune the bike's lean out as I ride. This is great for varying road cambers, and adds to the riding experience. I have done two trips this year for $3000k odd, and totally enjoyed the experience.

I bought the old 86 1200 outfit a year ago just to get the sidecar, but have had an added bonus of many miles on the outfit before retiring the bike. My 1500 is going to be great after the transfer.

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Re: Sidecar

Postby Sidcar » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:54 am

Wotcha Merv,
That's handy.
I've taken the plunge and ordered an EZ-Steer yoke kit from DMC Sidecars so I'm looking forward to some nice light steering and if it cures the wobble so much the better.

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