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Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:05 pm



My normally oh-so-helpful dealer parts guy let me just email him a link for the water pump replacement o-rings and such I'd be needing. How wonderful, I thought.

Now, on a Saturday, I have a sparkling clean front cover, cleaned engine front lower, tranny in neutral, new oil pump seal, newly installed OEM waterpump, new Vesrah "full" gasket set to do the heads, individually ordered OEM water pump seal "kit".....and I'm missing the two 17mm O-rings that go around the channels, even with the full gasket set!

You know that grinding sound that a moving train makes when the wheels are locked? :x
That's me right now.

Buggers.


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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby Randy S » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:52 pm

Were any of these "universal kits"? My experience has been that universal kit means "fits nothing quite right". Good luck!

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:20 pm

Randy S wrote:Were any of these "universal kits"? My experience has been that universal kit means "fits nothing quite right". Good luck!


All parts received fit fine.
The issue was the ordering.
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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:14 am

Gary at Cyclemax now has the 1000/1100/1200 Gasket Kits in stock, and they include the O-rings. He told me that he has ordered some water pumps from Honda, and plans to keep them in stock now as well.

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:25 pm

WingAdmin wrote:Gary at Cyclemax now has the 1000/1100/1200 Gasket Kits in stock, and they include the O-rings. He told me that he has ordered some water pumps from Honda, and plans to keep them in stock now as well.


I've read some unflattering things about the aftermarket WP seal kits, (o-ring fitment specificly) and chose to go OEM.
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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:55 pm

SteveB123 wrote:
WingAdmin wrote:Gary at Cyclemax now has the 1000/1100/1200 Gasket Kits in stock, and they include the O-rings. He told me that he has ordered some water pumps from Honda, and plans to keep them in stock now as well.


I've read some unflattering things about the aftermarket WP seal kits, (o-ring fitment specificly) and chose to go OEM.


I've actually not heard of ANY problems with aftermarket water pump gasket kits (other than Saber Cycle's kit). You definitely want to go OEM for head gaskets, and for the water pump itself, but the water pump gasket kit is OK to source from an aftermarket source.

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:29 am

WingAdmin wrote:I've actually not heard of ANY problems with aftermarket water pump gasket kits (other than Saber Cycle's kit).


You have now.

http://www.randakks.com/TechTip75.htm
"10. In the past, I've used aftermarket seal kits (such as those marketed under the K&L brand) with good results. Recently, I did a water pump replacement on my '75 show bike. During that project, I discovered that several of the K&L orings were significantly under-sized...particularly the large oring that seals the main body of the pump to the front cover (spec = 56 x 2.4mm). Failure of that oring can lead to coolant loss as Octane explains here. Due to that discovery, I went with all OEM orings to be safe. I recommend the same for anyone who desires a "once and done" repair."

That's why I chose to go OEM. Just wished I checked the parts order more closely! ;)

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby Phunnybone » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:46 am

Even with gasket remover, it took me about two hours to remove the gasket from the front cover/water pump housing. Still have to scrub a little off the engine side.

Big question - When we used to work on our cars waaaay back when, we used non-hardening formagasket on our gaskets - partly to keep them in place and partly to make sure we had a good seal just in case the part that was having the gasket put on wasn't exactly even. Good practice or complete no-no for bikes?

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:03 am

Phunnybone wrote:Even with gasket remover, it took me about two hours to remove the gasket from the front cover/water pump housing. Still have to scrub a little off the engine side.

Big question - When we used to work on our cars waaaay back when, we used non-hardening formagasket on our gaskets - partly to keep them in place and partly to make sure we had a good seal just in case the part that was having the gasket put on wasn't exactly even. Good practice or complete no-no for bikes?


I was blown away when I pulled the cover....the gasket peeled off in one piece! Minor cleanup on both surfaces was all that was needed. OEM (green) gasket.
The block surface for the heads, on the other hand....yikes.
I'm convinced at least half of a head job is cleaning. May be 75%!

No idea about gasket seal...but I CAN tell you that the factory gasket for the WP cover has a lovely raised rubber bead around the circumference, and another one around the dowel that is also a fluid passage. Nice touch.
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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby Phunnybone » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:51 am

Not a factory gasket this time (although I'm pretty sure the gasket that came off of it was an OEM gasket that was installed 23 years ago) - grabbed a KP gasket set.

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:25 am

SteveB123 wrote:You have now.

http://www.randakks.com/TechTip75.htm
"10. In the past, I've used aftermarket seal kits (such as those marketed under the K&L brand) with good results. Recently, I did a water pump replacement on my '75 show bike. During that project, I discovered that several of the K&L orings were significantly under-sized...particularly the large oring that seals the main body of the pump to the front cover (spec = 56 x 2.4mm). Failure of that oring can lead to coolant loss as Octane explains here. Due to that discovery, I went with all OEM orings to be safe. I recommend the same for anyone who desires a "once and done" repair."

That's why I chose to go OEM. Just wished I checked the parts order more closely! ;)


Interesting. I've not used a K&L gasket kit, I used a KP kit on my 1100 with excellent results. I wonder if something changed in the kits that Randakk was using, or if he just got a bad kit?

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:56 am

WingAdmin wrote:
SteveB123 wrote:You have now.

http://www.randakks.com/TechTip75.htm
"10. In the past, I've used aftermarket seal kits (such as those marketed under the K&L brand) with good results. Recently, I did a water pump replacement on my '75 show bike. During that project, I discovered that several of the K&L orings were significantly under-sized...particularly the large oring that seals the main body of the pump to the front cover (spec = 56 x 2.4mm). Failure of that oring can lead to coolant loss as Octane explains here. Due to that discovery, I went with all OEM orings to be safe. I recommend the same for anyone who desires a "once and done" repair."

That's why I chose to go OEM. Just wished I checked the parts order more closely! ;)


Interesting. I've not used a K&L gasket kit, I used a KP kit on my 1100 with excellent results. I wonder if something changed in the kits that Randakk was using, or if he just got a bad kit?


The thing that jumped out at me was that after doing countless waterpump jobs, he noticed a difference, and possible problem in the O-rings.
Since this is my FIRST Goldwing waterpump....the only way I'd know for sure the O rings were right would be to get them from Mother.
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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby Phunnybone » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:04 am

I got several O rings from mother when I ordered the water pump. However, the parts monkey behind the counter didn't even suggest the gaskets for the front cover and water pump housing.

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby SteveB123 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:46 pm

Phunnybone wrote:I got several O rings from mother when I ordered the water pump. However, the parts monkey behind the counter didn't even suggest the gaskets for the front cover and water pump housing.


THAT'S how you build floor traffic! :lol:
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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby Phunnybone » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:21 pm

On the off chance that the OEM gasket for the front cover is soooo much better than the KP gasket, I went ahead and ordered it today (of course there goes another week, but it beats paying $8 just to have them ship it to my house).

I realized today I probably could've saved another $20 or so just by ordering the water pump from them online rather than going to the parts desk (and waiting 45 minutes while one of two employees behind the desk actually helped someone - the other was busy looking up stuff in catalogs).

Live and learn.

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Re: Parts order....grrr

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:51 am

WingAdmin wrote:Gary at Cyclemax now has the 1000/1100/1200 Gasket Kits in stock, and they include the O-rings. He told me that he has ordered some water pumps from Honda, and plans to keep them in stock now as well.


The water pumps are now in stock at Cyclemax.




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