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New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:26 pm



Hello All, my name is Scott and I just bought my first Goldwing a couple of days ago. It's a 1982 Standard that has been sitting for quite a while. The PO said it was last ridden 4 years ago but the tags and safety inspection expired in 2004. The clock says a little over 10K miles and it looks very nice. It does have some serious issues from sitting so long. The tank is a forrest of rust on the inside, the choke and throttle cables are stuck, the brake lights and horns arent't functioning, brakes are seized and that is all I am aware of so far. I have started to disassemble the bike to check for systems functioning. I am very pleased with the bike and am really looking forward to riding it this summer. I am taking my time with her and spent the first day hitting all the bolts and nuts with penetrating lubricant before I did anything. It will be a fairly slow process because I tend to take my time with areas I am not familiar or comfortable with, like the carbs and top end, but will get there eventually. I look forward to conversations with all of you and greatly value your advice and experience. Hopefully I will be able to contribute back a portion of what I gain from you guys. Happy motoring!



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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby thrasherg » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:43 pm

Welcome to the world of wings.. There are a load of owners on here with similar models to yours, so don't hesitate to ask questions. The carbs tend to be the worst part of resurrection, lots of gunk and rust in them normally.. Before ordering any parts for the bike, do run a check on here, there are several prats suppliers that have a really bad reputation, for the carb, I would suggest going for a Randaks carb kit, its a little bit pricey, but has a great reputation. For the tank, if it isn't leaking, then its a good idea to have it cleaned and sealed, also add an inline fuel filter to catch any rust or muck that might come from the tank and block your carbs..

Welcome to the fun..

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:54 pm

Thanks Gary. I plan on trying Metal Rescue on the tank as it seems to do an amazing job. If so I will be using that on a lot of future projects. Rebuilding the carbs is still a ways away. Right now I am just seeing what all works and what needs repairs. After that I'm going to remove the plugs and lube the cylinders in preparation of seeing if it will turn over. Any suggestions on that aspect would be appreciated. I have seafoam but no way to spray it into the cylinders so may just use WD40 or a penetrant. Just taking it easy and doing my best to not break anything. I have picked up a ton of great info from this site and plan to use it soon. If anyone knows where I can download a repair manual for free I would greatly appreciate it. Even though I am going to buy a print copy it is nice to get a jump start. Thanks all.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Possum51 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:05 pm

1st welcome to the site and the "wing" world. There are manuals here you can read and download. I bought a Haynes repair manual Number 2199 for 84-87 GL1200 goldwings. I've used Marvel mystery oil to loosen pistons in the past with good results. Just pulled plugs filled holes replaced plug in a turn or two and let it sit a few days. Keep us posted on your progress, oh and we love pictures too.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:33 pm

Yeah, I keep telling myself that I need to stop and take some pics. But when you get in a groove its kinda hard to stop. I'll take a pic today of how it looks now cause I really like the triple headlights that the PO put on it.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:40 pm

Here are a couple of pics with the tank cover and seat off.
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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby themainviking » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:45 pm

There are owners and service manuals available for download if you need them;

They can be gotten from here:

http://www.goldwingworld.com/pages/Downloads.htm

Hope this helps you somewhat

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:57 pm

Hey Scott guess what? welcome to the site man.... :lol:

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby twostrokes48 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:51 pm

Welcome Scott to the site and to wings....There are a number of us that are rebuilding old wings at the moment on this site, me included. This is my lifeline and since I have not worked on bikes in 20+ years, boy do I need a life line. Simple things like where is the on/off switch come to mind. But someone always chimes in and so far has kept me from getting stuck with no direction to go. I also like the 3 headlight setup....looks good and I'm sure adds some safety features to your bike. Good luck on the bike, hopefully you won't find any major engine problems. Just don't run it very long before changing the timing belts, or change them before starting...You wouldn't want to give it a 5 min test run and have a belt break and destroy the engine. You have to change them anyway. May as well do that while the engine is soaking in the lube...which I use ATF myself, but have also used mystery oil in the past. Keep us informed.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:31 pm

Thanks Viking for the link, found another link from here a little bit ago and downloaded it. Awesome. Hello Littlebeaver. Twostrokes48, I was actually hoping that with 10K miles on it the belts might be ok. But again it is 31 years old and with this bike sitting so long everything is seized at this point. But the engine is still a ways away. Focusing on the wiring first with the horns and brake lights not working. But you did give me some food for thought. Gonna have to put that on my list. So far no seized bolts but one of the screws off the front brake reservoir is nackered up so ill have to use the easy out and find a new one somewhere. Thanks for all the help guys.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:47 pm

Hey we are really going to welcome you if you get that bike up and running by april 12,13, mostly the 13th because Twostrokes is having a party for anyone that wishes to come in the group here..so get the bike in order and ride down here and we will greet you Texas style.. :D Check out Twosstokes Party post in the Chat area..Everyone else too,, gosh darn it.. Dadgumit.. :lol:

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Mag » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:05 pm

Welcome in to the group. I had a silver 82, now that was a bike, my wife took it over cuz it had hydraulic lowering on it, and she is only about 5 ft 3 something if she is lucky.

This is a great group, and they are opinionated, in a great way. Enjoy the ride and your stay here.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby twostrokes48 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:55 pm

Yea Scott, just realized you are in grapevine...that's just a few hours away..so...even if the bike isn't quite ready, feel free to drive over here in ur cage...it's more for the get together than anything else....We can always ride some other time. So put the party on ur calendar.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:59 am

Hello Mag. And twostrokes48, I just noticed that it does list me as Grapevine, unfortunately I am in Dean which is a bit further north. Probably wont have the bike road worthy by then, I'm like a rocket when I work..... Hard and fast with not stopping.... then I just chill and cruise for a while. So no telling when this puppy will be cruising the beautiful Texas highways but I tell you what, I can't wait. I just look at this thing and I get giddy. what a beautiful motorcycle!

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby motorhead1977 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:36 am

Hi Scott. Welcome here! I have resurrected a good number of carburetted motorcycles over the years and one trick I use is to add about 1 ounce of diesel fuel through the plug holes to free up stuck cylinders. For cleaning all the old fuel/crud/pudding that forms from fuel being left in a tank for a long time (longest sitting one I have cleaned out had been sitting for over 9 years 3/4 full) I get a couple 5 gallon cans of lacquer thinner from my local auto body supply store. However, the only draw back to lacquer thinner is that if you spill any on the tank it will take the paint off quickly so careful is the watchword. Fill the tank with the lacquer thinner and then let it sit for about a week, stirring it up/shaking the tank each day. Then drain and repeat. After that I pressure wash the inside of the tank until the water coming out is quite clear. Then rinse the tank out with a gallon of diesel fuel (diesel absorbs water like a sponge) a couple of times. It has always worked very well. If the tank is not going to be used for a while I store it with some gasoline in it to help prevent rust from forming on the newly cleaned metal inside the tank. Suspending a magnet in the tank, attached to a stiff wire loop or some other retrieval mechanism, is a great way to gather up any stray rust particles that will inevitably remain in the tank. You can leave the magnet in the tank when you first start running the bike to be sure you capture as much of the rust flakes as possible. Good luck! Way back when I had a new 1982 Winger and can assure you that you will love your winger.
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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby 86pearlblue » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:38 pm

hi Scott. Welcome to the site. I saw that you were hoping to avoid replacing the timing belts. Bad Idea. They're fairly cheap and mile are not there only enemy. After sitting for such a long time, they are prone to hardening, cracking and may have gotten a "set" to them.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby Fulcrum » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:03 pm

Yeah definitely need to do that 86pearlblue. I was hoping to avoid going into the engine and of spending alot of money. But after seeing some how to posts the belts seem fairly easy to do and I have seen them on Amazon for about $15 a piece which isn't bad. Thanks

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby eklimek » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:10 pm

A thought just occurred to me about the timing belts.

(Little beaver's trick is the best, by the way.)

Has anyone ever had a goldwing lose a belt? No, not having heard about some one who knew some one who might have had, but some one actually lost a timing belt?

Is there any warning?

Short of that, has anyone turned a crankshaft to see if the valves hit?

I have only seen pictures of the damage in other models.

If you are going to see if the valve hits, would you have to manually hold the cam with the valves open and springs compressed?

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby twostrokes48 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:01 pm

Actually I have not known anyone who has ever lost a belt...Guess I am guilty of just passing on the "be safe and change it" message I received and have seen on so many forums. But I can tell you what happens to a 1976 4.5l V8 when you loose the timing tensioner. All hell goes on, you end up with a bunch of bent valves, and holes in the top of pistons and a $3500 repair. That's many years ago, mine got a refit of a full GMC drive train (eng/trans) out of a donor pickup.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby eklimek » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:42 pm

There are numerous posts stating the goldwing has an interference engine. However in no manual is there a routine maintenance interval for the timing belt. I just checked and will be the first to admit I might have misread them.

Am I just a cynic? Can anyone confirm this?

I am not planning on disassembling mine at this time to test it. Has anyone a motor that selfdestructed or is currently able to spin the crankshaft with the valves fully open?

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:15 pm

They are 100% interference engines. I have read a couple users (one on this site in fact) who did their timing belt change incorrectly, had a belt a few teeth off, and broke valves as a result.

I've messages from a couple people who have had belts break. There was no warning, just a huge BANG, and then silence.

Here's what it looks like when it happens:

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby littlebeaver » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:22 pm

Oh my goodness....that poor dude..I probably would have cried a little if that happened to me.. :shock: Yep, I have a lump in my throat just looking at that photo.. :shock:

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby eklimek » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:23 pm

Confirms the general wisdom that the goldwing has an interference engine. With no warning apparently belts fail.

Last question, ... Why is this not listed in routine maintenance? Or have I misread the manual?

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby 86pearlblue » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:27 pm

OUCH! yeah, it's never a good thing. My Accord had a non-interference engine (thank the maker!). But, as always, when in doubt, swap it out.

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Re: New Goldwing owner

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:28 pm

eklimek wrote:Confirms the general wisdom that the goldwing has an interference engine. With no warning apparently belts fail.

Last question, ... Why is this not listed in routine maintenance? Or have I misread the manual?


The service manual says:

Belt Inspection
Check belts for swelling caused by oil contamination. Replace belts if material is cracked, teeth are worn, or swelling is evident.


That said, it's fairly well known that the majority of wear on these belts is internal, and cannot be seen through visual inspection. If your belt has worn teeth, it's too tight or too loose. If the jacket is separating, you're way beyond the point where it should have been replaced.

Conservative wisdom is to replace at 5 years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. More often if the bike sits for long periods of time.




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