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Postby jbeganny » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:22 pm



I just bought a GW 89 and there is a strange noise coming from it which I am guessing is the starter. I do not have a service manual so I need to know exactly where the starter is located and whether or not I can remove it myself. Is it accessible or do I need to take it to a professional? I thought I could get a free download manual here but it leads me to another website that wants almost $50 for it. Where or how do I go to get a free download for a service manual for a 89 Goldwing?



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Re: starter

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:44 pm

I use this manual from the "Manuals" section..Honda Goldwing GL1500 1989 European Service Manual (67.5 MB) *

Some minor euro changes but all in all it answers the questions....
The starter is on the right rear of the engine...You can remove it....As usual..first you remove the seat.. :)
Where is this noise.??..can you post a video of it to You-Tube and link it in your next post???

Strange noises from the left side can also be from the alternator or coupler bushings.

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Re: starter

Postby jbeganny » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:08 pm

I can't be sure but it sounds like the right side to me. It's on again, off again at random but at times it is quite a violent noise. To me, it sounds like the starter drive engages and does not release. Is that possible? I have no video and if I did I wouldn't know how to post it. So can I remove the starter without taking the engine apart? Is there a video somewhere showing this procedure? Thanks for your help.

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Re: starter

Postby dingdong » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:11 am

I know it is only a typo by Virgil but the starter is on the left side of the engine as you sit on the bike.

When do you hear this noise? At idle only or at higher rpm also? If the noise is at idle your primary chain can be very noisy if the carbs aren't in perfect sync.
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Re: starter

Postby jbeganny » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:43 pm

I went to utube and found a video that showed exactly how to remove the starter. When it is making the noise it doesn't matter if it's at idle or revved up. To be honest, when I first heard this noise I suspected it to be a chain of some sort. Maybe I was correct. It still sounds like that to me but right through the rpm range. Wouldn't it run rough if the chain were slapping? The motor runs very smoothly. And wouldn't it make the noise all the time? What do I do now?

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Re: starter

Postby dingdong » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:28 am

Primary chain slap is usually only heard at idle when all cylinders are not firing equally. At speed the tension of the chain tightens and the noise goes away. Without hearing it I can't help with your diagnosis. Any way you can post a video? I would think though that you could determine yourself if it is the starter just by listening to and or feeling the starter when it is making the noise. From your description I don't think it is the starter however.

Edit: A loose stator bolt can cause a pretty loud rattle. At the left rear of the engine on the left side there is a hex head plug that, when removed, gives you access to the stator bolt. You might check to see if the bolt is tight.
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Re: starter

Postby triax01 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:38 pm

i am not sure where it is but there is a step by step posting on how to remove,clean and reinstall the starter on the boards, i used it to remove my starter,very detailed and easy to follow instructions.
The starter is on the left hand side as you sit on the bike.
It is fairly easy to remove, one thing to be sure of is to have your bike on the side stand (not center) and do not move your bike until you have replaced the starter.

good luck

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Re: starter

Postby jbeganny » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:56 am

I was way off on my diagnosis about the noise. I had a bike mechanic I know drop by and after listening and prodding around he said the noise is certainly coming from the timing belt adjuster. I guess there is a bearing that is making the noise and he showed me how to replace it. He says after taking the plastic and the cover off it is a half hour job, at most. I am going to attempt it first chance I get so we will see. Thanks for all your help.
One thing that is bugging me while I am thinking of it. You guys say the starter is on the left as you sit on the bike but the utube video I watched which showed removing the starter shows the guy doing it going in from the right side. He removes the battery and the battery tray and goes in from there. Is it easier from the left side?

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Re: starter

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:16 am

jbeganny wrote:I was way off on my diagnosis about the noise. I had a bike mechanic I know drop by and after listening and prodding around he said the noise is certainly coming from the timing belt adjuster. I guess there is a bearing that is making the noise and he showed me how to replace it. He says after taking the plastic and the cover off it is a half hour job, at most. I am going to attempt it first chance I get so we will see. Thanks for all your help.
One thing that is bugging me while I am thinking of it. You guys say the starter is on the left as you sit on the bike but the utube video I watched which showed removing the starter shows the guy doing it going in from the right side. He removes the battery and the battery tray and goes in from there. Is it easier from the left side?


If you're going to be going into the timing belts anyway, you might as well replace them while you're in there. You can see the procedure here:

How to remove and replace your timing belts

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Re: starter

Postby virgilmobile » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:41 am

Up to 1987,the 4 cylinder wing's starter is on the left.
Your first post indicates its a 89.Is this the 1500 cc 6 cylinder???
There on the right side and tha alternator is on the left.

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Re: starter

Postby dingdong » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:24 am

Guess I need to read the entire thread more thoroughly. I went by the 84 in your personals.
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Re: starter

Postby jbeganny » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:45 pm

I have an 84 but I have added the 89.




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