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Postby roadwanderer2 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:31 pm



here's a simple question....is there a way to make these older goldwings a little quieter? i have a completely new exhaust on my '83 aspy and it still sounds loud, IE: a deep throaty sound, and i was wondering if there's any way to make it quieter. i see some of the new wings out there that are so quiet you can hardly hear them. is there an aftermarket silencer be put on the back of the muffler to get it quieter without having to do any major carb re-jetting or any other type of modifications? i know this muffler system has no leaks and the baffles are good, it just seems overly loud.

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Postby HALBUDD » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:31 pm

There was a post about this a while back I believe Wingadmin said that you can use stainless steel brillo pads if I remember right. Dont use the other type as they wont hold up,you can put them in the muffler pipe and hold them in with stainless steel bolts. Someone else may have a better idea. I have also seen some silencers that can be baught but cant remember the site,Maybe Wingadmin has a list somewhere.-----------------Hal
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:23 am

good morning:

thanks Hal, now that you mention it, i do recall reading about it somewhere in here, i'll check into it.

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Postby Fetacheese » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:07 am

I got to wearing ear plugs since I went from my original horse shoe 75 to a 1100 with out the baffles. I hated the sound of a golf cart and now I hate the sound of Ferrari :lol:

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:12 am

lol feta, that's funny. actually i love the sound of a Ferrari and the sound of the new corvettes, but i would love to make my aspy a little more quieter. even with a new exhaust system on it, its still pretty loud.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:15 am

Hal, i just spent the last hour looking for that posting about using steel wool, and i STILL cant find it.

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Postby seelyark1 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:52 pm

Search this site for Steel Wool and you will find 69 hits about steel wool for muffling. Take your pick. Dave
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Postby RoadRogue » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:57 pm

I just typed in " steel wool" in the search feature of this forum and came up with at least a half dozen threads that discuss stainless steel wool in the exhaust to help quiet it down. You should be able to find something there too. 8-)
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Postby HALBUDD » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:17 pm

Thanks seelyark1 and you to Todd I could not remember if it was steel wool or Brillo pads.
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Postby Jim1 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:22 pm

I couldn't find a quiet bike so I purchased a quiet helmet.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:43 pm

LOL Jim1, thats funny.....thanks seelayrk and roadrouge. i'll check them all out.

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Re: can you make a new muffler system quieter

Postby DJnRF » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:31 pm

I also like a very quiet motor. However, for me I don't even find the LM2500 turbines
used in some USN guided missle ships to be loud. Most loud sounds to me are alread
muffled for me above 2500 cps since my hearing has been damaged by gunfire. But,
even though my 1100 doesn't sound loud to me my wife says she would like it to
be a bit quieter, so I guess I will just have to do something about quieting it more.
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:56 pm

hey DJnRF:

here's an idea that i was tossing around. its rather a simple way to do this.......since the '83 aspy's have the cross tube and the muffler baffles are in the middle of the pipes, the only option is, drop the pipes off the motor, separate the cross tube, take 2 pieces of STAINLESS steel wool, (per wingadmin's advice so they wont rust out too fast), and, (my idea), put them inside the cross tube, 2 per each side, take one piece of stainless steel wool and put it down the inside of the right header pipe and another piece down left header pipe and put the system back on the bike. when you fire the bike up, the pieces that are in the front header pipes will travel down to the front of the baffles as will the pieces in the cross tube. this will eliminate the need to cut open and re weld the mufflers after you install the steel wool. since the steel wool is going to be in front of the baffles. im not sure how this would work, but i think its the only way to do it without having to perform major surgery on the mufflers. chances are the carbs wont need to be re-jetted or anything else done to the engine because your not putting that much restriction on the air flow. just make sure you use very coarse steel wool, the kind that cooks use to clean flat top stoves in like a fast food restaurant.

im gonna try this on my aspy next month and i'll post an update to whether or not this works. the only thing it'll waste is some time, and a few $$$ for the steel wool. if worse comes to worse and it doesn't work, i'll have to take the pipes down again and pull the steel wool out. i think this is an easier fix than going out and buying HD ultra glide or HD sportster mufflers and having to do bracket and pipe making and welding fabrications.

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Postby Fetacheese » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:37 pm

It all sounds easy until things don't work out as you have them planned . My fear would be that the steel wool may not end up getting to the area you had planned. And even if it goes where you hopped it would it might choke the motor like a potato does, shoved at the end of your tail pipe. I believe if I were to take a chance at erring ,I much rather err on the lean side rather than on the rich side.

The options as far as jets go are many more for a lean condition than there are for a rich one with out throwing the balance off by much between performance and economy . Just my opinion.
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Postby DJnRF » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:49 pm

Hi Stu,
That sounds like it might be a trick you can use. However, I don't thnk my
Interstate has the cross tube to do that. From what I recall my left and
right pipes are two separate pieces. However, for quieting mine I have
something else to use other than the wool. For a long while I have had
some stainless steel rolls around here that just might do the trick. It
is about like a roll of duck tape about 2. 1/2 inches wide, very heavy,
and has very fine holes made almost like a webbing. I had cut a piece
several years ago to wrap around a muffler on my truck. After making
about three turns around the muffler, I then used some heat resistant
liquid metal to seal it well. That worked perfect. I am wondering if
I can take enough of this and wrap some heavy piano wire inside a
roll wrap of this mesh to fit into the pipes. It definitely would last
longer than the wool, and would be similar to the way some firearm
silencers are made with the brass wrapping inside the tube. Instead
of having a hole in the middle for a bullet path, it would just end
up being a loose wrap that fills the inside of the pipe but without
causing any restriction of exhaust. I have always wondered what
I could use this stainless steel mesh roll for. Now I just might have
the idea. lol
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:55 pm

that's not a bad idea either there DFnRF. let me know how that works out for ya, and i'll let ya know how my idea works out for me, hey maybe we can patent both of them and sell them as "aftermarket muffler silencers" LOL.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:04 pm

hey DJnRF, i did a quick research on the exhaust system for your bike, and from what i saw, its the same as the '83 aspy. no center muffler, only a cross tube with the mufflers in the middle of the left and right side pipes, so, you might be able to do the same thing as im thinking about doing to mine.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:23 pm

ok folks, im shutting down for the night. we'll talk more about this tomorrow.

have a good night y'all.

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Postby DJnRF » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:16 pm

Stu, I am going to have to get the energy to look at my motor for that
cross tube. I can't recall one. Of course, you know I will have a problem
doing that. It is bad enough when I get up in the morning and bend down
to tie my shoes. As soon as I do that I freeze - I don't move a muscle -
I think, and consider very carefully - 'Is there anything else I should do
while I am already down here?'

Heck, I don't even sleep more than 3 1/2 hours each day. I have been
doing that for so many years that I don't expect I will ever sleep more
until I die. I guess I am chosen to sit up and watch everyone else sleep.
Then I get my rest between 4 or 5 AM for my usual 3 to 3 1/2 hours.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:39 am

good morning Dave, a.k.a. DJnRF

trust me, i know just what you mean about your sleeping habits, im the same way. i guess as we get older, we don't require the same amount of sleep we used to get. i go to sleep at 10pm and usually wake up around this time every morning. you have 14 years on me. i'll be hitting the big 60 in a couple of months. i feel your pain about your back and what it takes to tie shoes, im still recuperating from knee and eye surgery, so im not able to do a lot either. glad i did most of the work on my bike before i had to go for surgery.

if you CAN look under your bike, (and i found this to be rather easy), lay flat on your back or on your side to do it. but getting back UP is the hard part. its best if you had someone there to help you stand back up. while your down there, you can take a look for any oil drippings, the condition of your frame, tires, try to see if you have anything blocking the radiator fins, and maybe get someone to help you change the oil and filter.

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Postby DJnRF » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:43 am

Hi Stu,
I will try to check that when it is warmer tomorrow or Saturday. Today
it is just 40 with 15 to 20 mph winds, plus everything is damp from a bit
of rain earlier. I had to run to the store earlier, but it wasn't a bad ride.
My car is disabled for now (I have to pull a head to change the gasket), and
my truck only gets 10 mpg to drive anywhere. With a 30 gallon tank it is
a heavy load from my SS each time I have to fill it, and it is about empty
right now. Sooooo .... that means I will get to ride a lot the rest of this
month, regardless of the weather. lol I blame the garage I had to work
on my car while I couldn't do it for the problem I have now with it. All he
did for me is prolong what has to be done while charging me about four
times what it would have cost me to do the job myself. The only thing I
have gotten from it is an engine five years newer that I have to fix. It
is a good thing that the doctor yesterday has released me for doing the
work, even though I will not be fully released from care for another year.
The problem with my back is that I had two vertebrae that had 'grown'
inward and were pressing on my spinal cord. Often each day I would lose
control of one leg or another from the knee down. Falls for me happened
every day. There was no degeneration of the discs as much as there was
degeneration of the vertebrae to cause the problem. That also caused
a great instability of the spine, and a slight curve of alignment. I now have
two Titanium implants to replace the vertebrae affected. In years before
all that could have been done was fusion, which would have immobilized
my spine. Now there is an implant that does not do that. Instead, it
replaces the vertebrae while allowing one to regain all strength and the
flexibility as before. It just takes time. My surgery in December went
well, and I am in much better shape, and even ahead of where he had
expected. He said that I have progressed to a point where most patients
take a year to get to. He even stated that I do not look to be over about
my mid-40's, and my body appears extremely good for one of my age.
It has even become a fun game for me in seeing the expression on the
face of people when they find out my actual age. As fortunate, or
unfortunate as that may be, youthful looks seems to have run on my
fathers side. When my father died, most at the funeral thought he was
only about 50. He was almost 90. The one thng I hated to hear from my
surgeon was that if I dump my motor, I am NOT to pick it up myself.
I have to have someone else to do that part. I just hope if that happens
someone is around to do it for me. I don't want to cause these implants
to slip before they have had the time to gain some extra calcification
to hold them in place better. They clamp onto the spine, and have
barbs to help prevent them from backing out of their position, but the
extra calcification of bone is even better for a more permanent job.
I hate this that I spent 41 years as a licensed medic with a specialty
in the advanced cardiac field that since 2010 I have had so much of
medical care and surgery myself. I never had to even go to my doctor
much previous in my life. Now I have had heart surgery, two elbows
reconstructed, and back surgery. Not only that but I have advanced
'moderate' arthritis in my knees. I didn't even have this much of problems
when I broke my back jumping out of perfectly good airplanes over
fifty years ago. I 'bounced' right back then. Now, I don't bounce; I
just go 'splat'. lol

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:01 pm

gee Dave, any more surgery's and you can call yourself the bionic man. lol, now on a more serious note.... don't try to do much of anything for a while. yes, let your back heal up, and let others do the more strenuous things and definitely do NOT try to pick up your bike alone. isn't it fun being on a fixed income? don't feel too bad, im the same boat here. i can only do so much every month and need to watch every penny to make sure i have enough to make it thru the month. anything that i have to purchase for the bike i consider to be "luxury" items and not really in my monthly budget, but i do it anyway. thank god these wings get good fuel mileage although i sometimes use the wife's car, a '99 Toyota Camry with almost 130,000 miles on it, but it still runs great. anyway...........just take your time with things and, your right, we used to "bounce" back once we got hurt or have something wrong with us, and now we do tend to go "splat" on occasions. i've noticed things that i try to do now that in my "younger" days id have no problems with, i can't do or it would take longer to do now. hell, i cant even cut my own lawn with a push mower anymore, i have to use a riding mower, and i have to have my wife use the rake to rake up the cuttings. i get out of breath to quickly and i have stop and rest a lot. i cant even walk 2 blocks without stopping to rest. i have to use a cane because of my knee, and now have a handicap place card for the car so i can park closer to any store entrance i go in because i cant walk too far in any parking lot without getting out of breath, and i even have a handicap tag on my motorcycle. its amazing how many looks i get when i pull into a handicap spot with my bike and people see me getting off it and then seeing i have a handicap tag on it. just call me Dr. House LOL. i had a cop tell me he was going to give me a ticket and tow my bike out of the handicap parking spot if i didn't move it, then i told him to look at the tag on it, and after he saw it, he apologized to me and went on his way. people are surprised to see a handicap tag on a motorcycle, but that's something you also might want to consider getting for YOUR bike. it makes things much easier, and if some people cant deal with you having a handicap tag on it, well, that's their problem. in this state, all you have to do is get a signed statement from your Dr of your condition, pay a few $$$ for it at your local motor vehicle office and once every couple of years have the tag renewed. go onto your states website, find your motor vehicle site, i think its listed under vehicle plates and registrations and check into it. look for anything that has to do with getting handicap place cards and or handicap license plates. if you need help finding it, let me know and i'll do the research for you and send you the links to it.

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Postby DJnRF » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:37 pm

Thaks for the info, Stu, but I already have it. Both my wife, and I
are disabled. I have the handicap license plates on all of my three
vehicles. We also have the placards in case we are in some other
vehicle. I also carry a state ID card showing I am disabled. The
state gives those out free, and don't expire for ten years. I just
had to renew mine again so it won't expire now until 2024. Maybe
I won't even be driving by then. lol Before I had the plates on my
motor a motor officer here gave me a ticket for parking in a
handicap space. The court threw it out when I showed my ID,
but the officer wrote it even though I had showed it to him. Now
that I have the plates and ID I no longer have any problems.
I have been thinking if I can afford to go on the Freedom Run
in June. ( http://ilmotorcyclefreedomrun.org/category/news/)
Every year I go on the Awareness ride to Springfield, IL. We
meet here for all who want to go from this area, then travel
to Lincoln, IL where we meet up with more from other areas
in the northern part of IL. then to Springfield where we meet
up with others from many other areas of the state, and other
states. After a good 'fellowship' meet at the DOT lot, and lots
of food, snacks, and any products from vendors or the IL
A.B.A.T.E. trailer, we then ride to the state capitol where we
meet with some of the politicians who support our cause. After
breakup we all head our way home, or wherever. The Sheriff
here is the one who sponsors the St Jude ride every year. He
hops on his motor, and off we go south. What a ride! I would
love to go on more, but have to work on my motor a bunch
yet. A couple guys from the Peo-Taz Chapter of IL A.B.A.T.E.
rode up to Alaska and into the Artic Circle a year ago now.
They are the Safety and Ed people from the Chapter. I used
to be part of that Chapter, but am now part of the State
Chapter of IL. The Peo-Taz Chapter has sponsored the big
Grand Nationals event each year. This year will be the 20th
year. It has made that Chapter the wealthyist chapter in IL.
I worked it the past four years, but don't think I can this year.
I wish I could ride a whole lot more. I only got to ride 5,000
miles last year. If our SS had not been frozen for four years,
and a fifth year with a small increase the Medicare price that
ate up more than our increase, I would not be broke by the
second week of each month. All while prices to the average
consumer rose 46%, we finally got an increase after those
previous five years of only 1.3%. I have to find a way to do
more firearms repair and reloading, or auto repairs just to
supplement my income. Then I hope to ride more.

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Re: can you make a new muffler system quieter

Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:50 pm

Dave, i completely understand about medicare costs, at least you have it, all i have is part A, and the rest i leave up to the veterans administration to take care of. even with them, it puts me in a hole to the tune of over $13,000 dollars in debt for what they wont cover, so im on my own with those bills. yes, the increase freeze in our s/s checks was a bi**h for the last few years, and this mere pittance of an increase we got this year doesn't do a damn thing to help make ends meet........oh, BTW, you said something about your bike's headlight is like mine, not being bright enough? here's a little information with that.....go to this sites "board index", go to "product reviews", and look down the list for the topic "superbrightLED.COM driving lights" posted by wingadmin. there way cheaper than what you want to get for your bike, and they seem like really nice aux. lights. im thinking about getting a set for mine and mounting them under the fairing like he did on his wife's bike.

stuart.

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Re: can you make a new muffler system quieter

Postby DJnRF » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:08 pm

Thanks, Stu, I will check that out. I would like to have something
much better than the stock headlight. It isn't bright enough. For
my eyes these days I have to strike a match just to see if it is lit.

Dave.


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