Tires, who woulda thunk ?


Anything goes - doesn't fit any other category!
  • Sponsored Links
User avatar
Winger76
Posts: 4
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:57 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Motorcycle: 1996 GL1500 SE

Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Winger76 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:23 am



I have a 96 1500 SE that I had to replace tires on it 3 years ago.
I took it to the local dealer and was recommended Metzeler's.
It is garaged on a stand in the winter season with periodic pressure checks.
Last year I pulled it out and found the front tire sidwall was split on both sides.
After trailering it back to the dealer, they contacted the local Metzeler rep and they offered a 50% replacement cost.
This was only after about 2500 miles.
I wasn't happy about it but went along thinking this was a fluke.
This year I pulled it out and found the rear tire tread was split and delaminating in five places.
Now I'm pissed !
You wouldn't think this would be an issue with high end tires such as these.
Has anyone else had issues with Metzeler quality ?


Last edited by Winger76 on Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Wilcoy02
Posts: 725
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:37 pm
Location: Marengo, Ohio
Motorcycle: 1983 GL1100 I purchased 3/16

1983 GL1100I frame with an 80 engine. poor boy installed with C-5 ignition--DIED in Grande Prairie Alberta Canada 8/15


98 valkyrie sold 8/16

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Wilcoy02 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:09 pm

No my metzlers have been very good to me. I will look more closely at the tires to be certain.
Hope metzler makes good on your purchase.

User avatar
Fatwing Chris
Posts: 741
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:10 pm
Location: Ont.,Canada
Motorcycle: 2004 ABS Model Goldwing

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:00 pm

I had to get a set of tires put on a few years ago on a trip in NC(huge multi-dealer) on my 1500.While I was waiting for the service writer I was eyeing a set of Metzlers on the wall.He come over and said I hope you're not wanting to put them on your Wing and I said I was thinking about trying them.He said he would put them on,but he really didn't want to saying that they just weren't good for the Wing.That was all I needed to hear.Went back to the E3's.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
Chris
Double Dark
Darkside # 1602

User avatar
rono24
Posts: 123
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:22 am
Location: west milton ohio
Motorcycle: 1992 gl1500SE

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby rono24 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:33 pm

You could not give me another set of metzlers, 3000 miles and broken belt and worn out on the rear of my vtx,put on e3's got 10,000 out rear and 14000 out of front.

User avatar
littlebeaver
Posts: 4420
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:11 pm
Location: Kansas City, Kansas
Motorcycle: 1981 gl 1100 I , 79 Yamaha XS11
Special, 82 Kawa 750 CSR, 82 Kawa 750 LTD, 03 Kawa Nomad 1500, 99 Kawa Voyager 1200

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:22 am

If that had happened to me, I would very upset...For sure.. :D I'd seek the owner and shoot him with my singshot.... :lol: Something went wrong with the batch of tires for sure,, maybe the formula was off or it cured wrong at the factory, poor QC..I don't know... But they should make this right for ya..... :D Too bad you don't have photo's of it .. :shock: I'd love to see the split..

User avatar
Winger76
Posts: 4
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:57 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Motorcycle: 1996 GL1500 SE

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Winger76 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:36 am

pic of tire
rear tire, like this in 5 places
rear tire, like this in 5 places

User avatar
littlebeaver
Posts: 4420
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:11 pm
Location: Kansas City, Kansas
Motorcycle: 1981 gl 1100 I , 79 Yamaha XS11
Special, 82 Kawa 750 CSR, 82 Kawa 750 LTD, 03 Kawa Nomad 1500, 99 Kawa Voyager 1200

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:47 am

I would have to throw something,, that's terrible.. I would be raising hell.. :D

User avatar
wilmo
Posts: 161
Joined: Wed May 02, 2012 10:53 pm
Location: Ogden, Utah
Motorcycle: 1994 Goldwing SE Blue-the fastest color
2005 Yamaha Majesty 400

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby wilmo » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:05 pm

Yours are worse than mine, only mine are Dunlop e3's. I'm changing them out this weekend. I have 6k on the front which is completely weather checked on the sidewalls after less than 2 years. The rear is delaminating at the logo. Starting to lose faith in the manufacturers. Going to Pirelli this time. So it's not just Metzler. Didn't try for a rebate-don't want anymore of their junk tires even if they're free.

User avatar
golden highway
Posts: 327
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:23 am
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Motorcycle: 1987 Interstate
1998 Aspencade

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby golden highway » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:45 pm

I have the Pirelli's on mine and I didn't like them at first. I think break in was slow because now I like them. I seem to have good traction on all surfaces and seem to be wearing well. Two years and they still look pliable.

User avatar
dingdong
Posts: 2863
Joined: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:35 am
Location: Oklahoma City
Motorcycle: 1976 gl1000
1993 gl1500
2004 NRX1800 Rune

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby dingdong » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:40 am

I would be interested to know what the date codes are on those tires?????
Tom

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

User avatar
Fatwing Chris
Posts: 741
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:10 pm
Location: Ont.,Canada
Motorcycle: 2004 ABS Model Goldwing

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:12 am

Winger76 wrote:pic of tire
bike tire.JPG


I've had that type of splitting on the old Elite II's back in the day,but I've always worn out the E3's before any splitting.Not saying they wore out fast,just that I've never had any quality issues with them.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
Chris
Double Dark
Darkside # 1602

james1vers1
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:57 pm
Location: Atlanta metro, Ga
Motorcycle: 1993 gl1500 interstate

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby james1vers1 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:06 pm

Wow, I was just about to get another set of Metzelers. Think I may check out the E3s. Whatever I get, I will be on watch for defects. Thanks for helping me to be safer.

User avatar
WingAdmin
Site Admin
Posts: 17046
Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:16 pm
Location: Strongsville, OH
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500 SE
1982 GL1100A Aspencade (sold)
1989 PC800 (wife's!)
1998 XV250 Virago (sold)
2007 Aspen Sentry Trailer

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:17 pm

james1vers1 wrote:Wow, I was just about to get another set of Metzelers. Think I may check out the E3s. Whatever I get, I will be on watch for defects. Thanks for helping me to be safer.


Have a look at the Avon Venoms. I'm on my third set now, and I love them. See: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17461&view=unread#unread

User avatar
Dusty Boots
Posts: 573
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:25 pm
Location: Alvinston, SW ON
Motorcycle: 1992 GL1500Aspencade

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Dusty Boots » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:54 pm

Unfortunately, the Metzlers seem to have a lot of problems when mounted to the 1500. Most likely because of their rather low load rating of lower 8XX lbs, whereas the Dunlop E3 are rated at 998lbs for the rear

james1vers1
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:57 pm
Location: Atlanta metro, Ga
Motorcycle: 1993 gl1500 interstate

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby james1vers1 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:13 pm

Thanks for the Avon lead. It seems like a good choice. The metzeler on the front is still like new, will my 1500 wing handle ok with unmatched tires, or replace front as well?

User avatar
wilmo
Posts: 161
Joined: Wed May 02, 2012 10:53 pm
Location: Ogden, Utah
Motorcycle: 1994 Goldwing SE Blue-the fastest color
2005 Yamaha Majesty 400

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby wilmo » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:31 am

james1vers1 wrote:Wow, I was just about to get another set of Metzelers. Think I may check out the E3s. Whatever I get, I will be on watch for defects. Thanks for helping me to be safer.


As my earlier post in this thread pointed out, the E3's have quality problems, too. I have a 'newer', date code 2310, that is splitting the sidewall right where the logo is at the E. The front, date code 4311, is completely weatherchecked ont the sidewalls. That tire was only installed Aug '12 and has maybe 6k miles on it. Can't trust either one so they're going to garbage with more than half the tread left on them. The bike does get stored properly and covered but under normal circumstances, like riding season, it's exposed because I ride it. I don't believe 1 year of 'exposure' will rot a tire. and if it does then that tire is garbage to begin with. Just sayin, investigate first. I'll never have Dunlops again based on my actual experience, not others' opinions.
I have been riding on Pirellis on my other bike for years and they have never done what the Dunlops have. The tires on that bike are older than the Dunlops and don't have any mfg issues or cracking. It goes through the same life as the wing.
I used to think the Avons and Shinkos were just b grade tires compared to the bigger names, like Dunlop. I'm now rearranging my thinking as Dunlop has proven to me to be a b or c grade manufacturer, just with a famous name.

jacksprat54
Posts: 26
Joined: Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:06 pm
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Motorcycle: 1978 GL 1000

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby jacksprat54 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:09 pm

I have a '78 wing & have been running Metzlers for 8.5 yrs. I have put 6 rears on; 4 Metz.( me88 & me 880), I've averaged 13,300 out of all but one. It split in the tread after 8,500 mi. Dunlop lasted 6,000,(bought in emergency on road); Durotour was worse, 5,000,(also bought in emergency). Unfortunately Metz. No longer makes the ME880 in my size(130/90-17). I ride heavily loaded & in all types of weather, need a long wearing good traction tire.......HELP!!

User avatar
Fatwing Chris
Posts: 741
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:10 pm
Location: Ont.,Canada
Motorcycle: 2004 ABS Model Goldwing

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:18 pm

wilmo wrote:
james1vers1 wrote:Wow, I was just about to get another set of Metzelers. Think I may check out the E3s. Whatever I get, I will be on watch for defects. Thanks for helping me to be safer.


As my earlier post in this thread pointed out, the E3's have quality problems, too. I have a 'newer', date code 2310, that is splitting the sidewall right where the logo is at the E. The front, date code 4311, is completely weatherchecked ont the sidewalls. That tire was only installed Aug '12 and has maybe 6k miles on it. Can't trust either one so they're going to garbage with more than half the tread left on them. The bike does get stored properly and covered but under normal circumstances, like riding season, it's exposed because I ride it. I don't believe 1 year of 'exposure' will rot a tire. and if it does then that tire is garbage to begin with. Just sayin, investigate first. I'll never have Dunlops again based on my actual experience, not others' opinions.
I have been riding on Pirellis on my other bike for years and they have never done what the Dunlops have. The tires on that bike are older than the Dunlops and don't have any mfg issues or cracking. It goes through the same life as the wing.
I used to think the Avons and Shinkos were just b grade tires compared to the bigger names, like Dunlop. I'm now rearranging my thinking as Dunlop has proven to me to be a b or c grade manufacturer, just with a famous name.



I've ran a bunch of E3's over the years on the 12,15 and there on the 18 right now.I've never had one that split or looked rotten.Guess maybe I wear them out too fast.
BTW I get pretty good mileage out of them also.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
Chris
Double Dark
Darkside # 1602

User avatar
Winger76
Posts: 4
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:57 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Motorcycle: 1996 GL1500 SE

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Winger76 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:18 pm

I would like to thank everyone's input on this issue.
Hopefully the manufacture will see this post and someone will say and employ safety over profits.
It seems every since Metz started manufacturing in Brazil the quality has gone to s#@% !
I also didn't know Metzeler is owned by Pirelli.
Google Metzeler tire quality and see what pops up.
Here is one link of many that I found http://www.vehicletire.com/Complaint/Me ... 0+Marathon
If it doesn't work just copy and paste in your browser.
I'm going to post on here just as a CYA.
There are are many post of sidewalls splitting ( which happened to me ) and tread seperation
I don't know about y'all but I sure don't want to be tooling down the road and end up eating asphalt because someone in the ivory tower says.... Aw these tires are good enough.

User avatar
Winger76
Posts: 4
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:57 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Motorcycle: 1996 GL1500 SE

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Winger76 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:34 pm

Ding Dong,
Per your request, I was able to get the DOT numbers on the tire.
EB 44 E223 4208
Come to find out this tire was manufactured in '08'.
They are stamped "Made in Germany "
They were sitting in a warehouse somewhere until they were put on my bike in 2011.
Now I'm more than pissed ! seeing they sat for 3 years before they were pawned off on me from the dealer.
Attachments
rear tire DOT #
rear tire DOT #

User avatar
jhngardner367
Posts: 57
Joined: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:51 am
Location: Lonoke, Arkansas
Motorcycle: 1984 GL1200I

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby jhngardner367 » Wed May 07, 2014 1:22 am

The PO of my bike put a Metzler on the front,in 2012. It shows a lot of wear,even though he said it only has 2200 mi.
I checked the date,and it was made in 2009.I've only ridden it about 40 miles,just to transport it,and test ride it,but I plan on putting Avons on,once I have all my "projects/repairs" finished.
I had Metzlers on a Kawasaki KZ 900,I had,and with less than 3000 miles,the front tire blew out,while on my way home( I check the bike before I ride,each time),and cost me repairs,and a week in the hospital.
I'll NEVER use Metzlers,again !
I'm busier than a one-legged cat,in a sandbox !
I can't fix it,if it ain't broke...you want me to break it,first ???

Give me a Goldwing,...or give me Viagra,cuz either way, I'm gonna ride !

User avatar
nitefuzz
Posts: 104
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:13 pm
Location: Wakarusa, Indiana
Motorcycle: 1998 GL 1500 SE, found the bike in October 2013 with only 20,000 miles.

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby nitefuzz » Wed May 07, 2014 1:40 am

Just had E-3's put on my Wing and have rode about 150 miles on them,............ very happy so far.

User avatar
cbx4evr
Posts: 1397
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:35 pm
Location: Edmonton, AB Canada
Motorcycle: 2000 GL1500SE
2004 Kawasaki KLR 650
Solex 5000
1980 Honda CBX - sold :-(
1981 Honda CBX - sold :-(
Contact:

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby cbx4evr » Wed May 07, 2014 10:43 am

Ditto on the Avon Venom recommendation.
"It´s a friggen motorcycle, it´s not supposed to be comfortable, quiet or safe. The wind noise is supposed to hurt your ears, the seat should be hard and riding it should make you s**t your pants every now and then. "

User avatar
Overdog
Posts: 172
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:00 am
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Motorcycle: 83 Goldwing Interstate

74 BMW R90/6

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Overdog » Wed May 07, 2014 4:01 pm

Fatwing Chris wrote:
Winger76 wrote:pic of tire
bike tire.JPG


I've had that type of splitting on the old Elite II's back in the day,but I've always worn out the E3's before any splitting.Not saying they wore out fast,just that I've never had any quality issues with them.



With all the tire talk on all the Goldwing forums I hadn't seen too many opinions on the Elite II's. My new-to-me 83 has them and I'm happy with the handling, including rain. Thing is, I don't know how many miles are on them (I estimate they're about half worn out) I've been considering sticking with them when I need new ones....so, my question is: for those who have used Elite II's, what kind of mileage did you get out of them and if you switched to something else, what did you choose?

User avatar
Fatwing Chris
Posts: 741
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:10 pm
Location: Ont.,Canada
Motorcycle: 2004 ABS Model Goldwing

Re: Tires, who woulda thunk ?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Wed May 07, 2014 5:22 pm

Overdog wrote:
Fatwing Chris wrote:
Winger76 wrote:pic of tire
bike tire.JPG


I've had that type of splitting on the old Elite II's back in the day,but I've always worn out the E3's before any splitting.Not saying they wore out fast,just that I've never had any quality issues with them.



With all the tire talk on all the Goldwing forums I hadn't seen too many opinions on the Elite II's. My new-to-me 83 has them and I'm happy with the handling, including rain. Thing is, I don't know how many miles are on them (I estimate they're about half worn out) I've been considering sticking with them when I need new ones....so, my question is: for those who have used Elite II's, what kind of mileage did you get out of them and if you switched to something else, what did you choose?


I quit running them because they weren't available anymore(for my 1200 at least),not because I didn't like them.Went right to the E3's and am still running them.Well that's not totally true either as I just mounted a car tire on mine this year.CT rear and E3 frt.

I didn't know they still made an E II.You might want to check the date code on those tires before you trust them too far.


If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
Chris
Double Dark
Darkside # 1602


Return to “Goldwing Chat”




Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests