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Bad Idea?

Postby weber201 » Tue May 20, 2014 1:46 pm



Well here we go,.....last month I bought a 1986 1200 aspencade SEi with 25000 miles on it. It runs great my wife and I have already put on almost 2500 miles in a month. I'm 41 and this is my first Goldwing and yes I love it. ....here is my problem.....an older man that I know is 70 years young and has a 1988 Gold-wing 1500/6 with 47,000 miles. He has not rode very much because of a bad knee. He approached me yesterday and wants to trade me straight up bike for bike. My bike is very clean no damages what so ever and everything works great. I attempted to take his for a ride today and well the battery was dead and not holding a charge. After I had gotten it started it was running very rough for a bit and would quit when i took the choke off. When I got it on the road (wife with me) it seemed to be lacking a lot of power going through the gears, It seemed to not have the HP like the 1200 but I know it should have more power. At 55 in over drive i decided i was going to see what she had and she had no get up and go....not sure if it's bad gas or something else.. I know that it has been sitting for a few months(maybe longer) :? . It was a very comfortable (short) ride because when I stopped it died after about 5 miles and had to jump it again. I was really impressed with the shifting (very smooth) on the 1500 vs. my 1200 I guess my question is should I walk away from the bike and keep mine or does it sound like there will be to many issues with the 88? i don't know alot about the Goldwings and if it an easy fix then I think my wife would be more comfortable on the 1500....PLEASE HELP!!!!!! Thank You, Kevin



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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby virgilmobile » Tue May 20, 2014 2:50 pm

Yes it sounds like the bike needs a bit of work....I also had the 1100 and 1200 before the 88 1500....

Easy fix.??? what is your comfort level....Would you be hesitant about ripping out the carbs to replace the vacuum lines.?? replacing the battery with a expensive AGM battery...the 1500 likes a hot battery.
How bout replacing the timing belts....

Trust me,my 84 gl1200 was a fine bike...I really liked it...
The 1500 was a bit needy when I got it...
Same kind of problems you describe.....I got it anyways...(couldn't turn down a $2500 bike deal)..
3 solid months of tinkering and overdo maintenance and I now have the absolutely best bike I've ever owned....
All fluids replaced,timing belts,fork slides and seals,and the carbs....oh the carbs...what a nightmare they were...Once done,it's a great bike....

Now this begs the question....why is he wanting to trade even...the 1200 isn't any easier to handle than the 1500...The 1500 even has a reverse...
Is the battery bad or the alternator.?
Carb problems at the Dealer can set you back hundreds..
Maybe he can't fix it himself and is looking to trade for a "lesser" running bike than have it fixed up...
The local dealer quoted $2000 to fix my carb problem and go through the brakes....That didn't happen
The value...Down here,a really good gl1200 fetches about $2500...A fairly good 1500 around $3500-$4000....
If you can deal with the repairs,it's a trade up...Even from a perfect bike to a not so perfect one.
I don't think I've ever bought a bike that I didn't have to invest $3-4 hundred in to get it right...
You know,belts,tires,oil,brake repairs....
Well,this is a 88 model...you really think that all that stuff actually got done by the previous owner?
Mine still had the original belts in it....25 year old brake fluid is nasty too....

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby bustedwing » Wed May 21, 2014 5:58 am

I agree with Virgil, granted it is a trade up to a bike with more bells and whistles, it sounds like the 1500nneeds more tlc. I have owned both bikes. The 1200 to me was lower to the ground and that may be why the gentleman wants the trade, easier to balance. The 1500 definitely has more snort then the 1200 so if the 1500 sat for any length of time the weak spot is the carbs. If they get gummed up sometimes you can run SeaFoam through them to clean them out. But if they are really bad, rebuilding is the only way. Virg also mentioned timing belts. If you don't know when they were changed, you would be better off changing them. These engines have such close tolerances that if the belt breaks best case you might have a bent valve. Worst case, scrap the engine. Its a small price to pay for insurance. I think you will be happy with the upgrade once you get the bugs worked out. If you are mechanical think of this as a learning experience. I enjoy working on my Wing, even though I grumble a little, but I learn something each time. Ride safe.
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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby lhelber » Wed May 21, 2014 6:05 am

I am not a fan of the 1200. Especially if it has less than 40,000 miles on it. The 1200 had the stator problem and they would die before the 40K mark. To repair you had to pull the motor. A very expensive task if you don't have the ability to do it yourself. A few days of work if you do. Most of the replacement stators are pretty go so if the stator has been changed then you can feel better. I have had several friends with 1200 and they do seem to demand a lot of extra attention. These bikes do best when they are ridden. With only 5000 miles many of my friends would call that abused.

The 1500 is a great bike. A lot of people love them. It sounds like the one you test drove needs the carbs rebuilt. A couple of hundred $ in parts and a Sunday afternoon would get you back in business. The charging system or battery is also suspect. A new battery ~$100 if the alternator is bad it is only a couple hour fix to replace.

I can't make a decision for you since I can see the bikes but the above is my opinion.

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby virgilmobile » Wed May 21, 2014 7:31 am

Oh,by the way,about the statement I made about my 1500 being the best bike I've ever owned...
I say that about every bike I fix up.
There ALL great bikes...just different.
You can make almost any bike (Wing) your favorite.....till another one comes along.
I guess that's why so many of us list multiple "previously owned" bikes.

I know some are not a fan of the 1200...
Personally I feel that it's just a bit different.Seems that every model of wing has its weak points.
The 1000 with points,The 1100 with carbs,The 1200 with charging issues,The 1500 with vacuum hoses.etc,etc.
that's the reason were here.Once the common weak link is identified in a model,were hard at work to improve the design to make the bike great.
just look at the shifting lever trouble with the 1500."A member" came up with a fix for that.
As long as you have some ability and motivation,a decent machine to start with,it can be transformed into a great bike.

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby WingAdmin » Wed May 21, 2014 9:34 am

The one thing not mentioned is the fact that the original poster's GL1200 is an SEi. The fuel injection ECM (computer) is not repairable, is not made anymore, and they did not make a lot of them originally. As a result, if it does fail (and they do), you will be looking at around $250 for a used replacement - with no guarantee of how long it will last. As the existing supply dries up, you can expect that price to go up.

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby weber201 » Wed May 21, 2014 4:20 pm

Well a new battery is going to be put into the 1500 on Friday and I will pick up some sea foam and ride it the weekend. I thank you for everyone's comments and it's a hard decision for me to make going from a bike that is running properly to a bike that is not.....I do know that my wife would be much more comfortable on the 1500 and that is the way that I am leaning....wish I knew someone in Eastern NC that could take a look at it with me....I don't want a bike that is going to be a basket case and suck me dry....

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby Fatwing Chris » Wed May 21, 2014 5:41 pm

I've had 2 1200's and loved them both,but after having a 1500 I'd have a hard time going back.The 6 cylinder is just so smooth.I'm sure the fuelie 1200 was awesome,but as someone else stated parts are getting really,really hard to get.IMHO if the 88 looks good then I'd do him a deal in a heartbeat even though it needs some attention.The way I see it every Wing I've brought home needed some work to suit me,but in the end have always been a better bike.The wife and I loved our 89,but I was looking to upgrade a bit and was looking at a real nice 2000 SE.Ended up with an 04 ABS model with less than 40 k Miles for the same price.I still ended up spending close to a grand to get it the way I wanted and it already had a heated Corbin and heated grips.Again IMHO do the deal and spend a bit of time on the 1500 and you won't regret it.I'd personally go back to a 1500,but I'd have a harder time going back to the 1200 as much as I loved them when I had them.No offence intended to the 1200 guys.They are great bikes.
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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby weber201 » Sat May 24, 2014 10:51 am

Okay I have changed the air filter and spark plugs and have been running seafoam through the gas and also sprayed out the carb with carb cleaner.....ran strong for about 100 yards and then started struggling like it was bogged down. ...any suggestions?

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby bustedwing » Sat May 24, 2014 9:11 pm

The Sea Foam surrounded the bad fuel and tries to make it flammable enough to run through the engine. As long as you have bad fuel and Sea Foam in your tank the engine is not going to run well. You will need to run all of the Sea Foam out of the fuel system to see if it has done any good. Good luck.
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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby rodee71 » Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:29 pm

Fuel filter been replaced lately? When I got my 93 1500, I spent 650.00 on cleaning out/lining the fuel tank, new fuel filter and lines, flushing the fuel pump and cleaning the carbs due to it's sitting around with an empty, flaking fuel tank.

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby Bob Myers » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:59 am

I'd trade him!
I would also ask him to sign a sales agreement that when he decided to no longer ride, or in the event of his passing away that you would have the opportunity to purchase the bike FIRST for a sum of $1000.00. If he goes for that then we'd be off to the courthouse to notarize that agreement and rade titles.
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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:37 pm

Well.......My 1100 is the best...lol :lol: :lol: Even if it's duct taped together..lol

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Re: Bad Idea?

Postby curley » Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:01 am

web- (1) check the "fuel petcock" - it's a diaphragm operated "valve" up near the gas tank's filler neck ( gotta take off the center (radio) tupperware...may as well check the air cleaner while you're in there too)...at idle with high vacuum the petcock will remain open and the fuel will flow to the carbs, but as soon as you open the throttles, vacuum drops and the petcock does what it does best...stops the flow of fuel...there is a rebuild kit available from Cycle Max in Ohio...the symptom shows up best when you get on a freeway "on" ramp....the bike just dies like it's out of gas.
(2) not so easy fix is the fuel pump ... a few articles on how to replace it on the web (check out the GL1500 DIY section in the GL1500 forum) or goggle is your friend...not too hard to fix ...gotta take the seat off...BUT I would check all the fuses and relays first..are they corroded/blown...maybe an easy fix
(3) vacuum leaks - if she runs better with the "choke on" than off....I would look for vacuum leaks especially where the hose(s) make 90 deg bends...if you changed the plugs you saw many of the "usual suspects".
if you decide on the trade - buy a repair manual best $40 you'll ever spend ( especially if you decide to rebuild the carbs)

I picked up a '93 Aspy a couple of years ago from a salvage yard here in the high desert...rebuilt the carbs, replaced timing belts , new coolant, etc...my wife loves it ...been on a 6000 mile journey with her last year...bike ran flawlessly...looking forward to SCMA's 3 flags tour ( Mex- US-Canada over labor day weekend...some 700 mile days!) again this year with her...get a newer blue tooth intercom and GoPro camera with a remote ( to give her something to do ) and if she's like mine ...she always wants to go somewhere on it!




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