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1500 vs 1800

Postby toanogreen » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:14 pm



I'm sure this has been discussed a million times. I may have even seen some in the past. But here I am about to make the decision to move up to a 1800 from a 1500. I've owned two 1500's and have loved them. I said I would never move up to the 1800 unless I found one that really "got" me. Well, I think I found it! I've ridden a couple of 1800's before and they didn't do anything for me, but for some reason this one just felt/look different.

I still love my present 1500, but the offer made to me seems reasonable. This model (2008) comes loaded; ABS, heated grips/seat, NAV system and the thing that caught me was the airbag. I don't plan to go across country. I ride almost daily to work and short weekend trips.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:12 pm

Well you've already rode the 1800 so you know it doesn't ride as good as the 1500,if you're good with that then go for it.I know myself coming off of the 1500 and on to the 1800 I was really not impressed with the ride,but I've since done a quit a bit of stuff to help the poor ride and the thing is starting to grow on me.Good luck with the new ride!
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby themainviking » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:40 pm

I agree with Fatwing Chris. I have a 2009 which is probably about identical to your 2008, and I also did quite a bit to improve the ride comfort. I never owned a 1500, but I do love this 1800 all to heck.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby toanogreen » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:18 pm

Fatwing Chris wrote:Well you've already rode the 1800 so you know it doesn't ride as good as the 1500,if you're good with that then go for it.I know myself coming off of the 1500 and on to the 1800 I was really not impressed with the ride,but I've since done a quit a bit of stuff to help the poor ride and the thing is starting to grow on me.Good luck with the new ride!


What kind of adjustments did you make?

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Fatwing Chris » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:38 am

I installed a brand new 2013 rear trike take-off rear shock and spring(most say you should put a heavier Progressive spring on this shock).The 2012 and up shock has better valving and the spring is heavier than the previous ones.I also made sure the hydraulic pump for the rear shock preload was full so I'm getting the full range of adjustment.On the front I installed Progressive springs.At some point I want to put Monotubes on the front,but didn't have the cash right now.I also installed handlebar risers to get the bars back,up and out.
Oh and I did go with a car tire on the rear as well as it helps for a smoother ride.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Fatwing Chris » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:45 am

themainviking wrote:I agree with Fatwing Chris. I have a 2009 which is probably about identical to your 2008, and I also did quite a bit to improve the ride comfort. I never owned a 1500, but I do love this 1800 all to heck.

Stock for stock the 1500 was way more cushy.Didn't handle anywhere near as good as the 1800,but what a comfy ride.I was pretty close to buying a 2000 SE(a guy was holding it for me.I felt bad when I backed out of the deal,but he seemed OK about it) when I found this 1800 for the same price and for a while I was wishing I had of went with the 1500.If it hadn't been for the fact that the 1500 is coming up close to 15 years since the last one was built I probably would have.The reason I say this is because I got caught with a flat tire on my 1500 in NC and I had trouble finding someone to work on a bike over 10 years old even though it was lie new.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby toanogreen » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:37 pm

You are right about repair work. Very few dealers do much work on the 1500's. That's a shame because there are a lot of them still on the road. The main thing I've noticed is younger mechanics and dealerships wanting only to spend time on what they sell. Bad business in my opinion.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby themainviking » Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:00 pm

toanogreen wrote:
What kind of adjustments did you make?


I did pretty much the same as Chris did, with the exception that I put the progressive spring on the rear, instead of replacing the shock and spring with a 2012 or newer. Same effect probably. With that, the progressive springs in the front forks and the handlebar riser kit. Chris mentioned the monoshock inserts for the front forks, and I had a friend who installed them, after he had gone with the progressive springs first. He said the monos did a lot for control, but he would not say it was worth the extra money over just the progressive springs. I also purchased an aftermarket seat by Ultimate, which brought the comfort level up considerably for long rides. Some folks find the stock seat very comfortable, but I did not.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby minimac » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:00 am

I was thinking of moving from the 1500 until I got the opportunity to borrow a friends 1800 for a weekend. My Aspencade is now twenty one years old (wow), but the ride on mine, for me, was a lot better than his three year old one. I liked all the gizmos on the newer bike, but I spend a lot of time in the saddle and the 1800 just didn't match my old timer for room or comfort. I bought a Goldwing for comfort, not road racing, so while the 1800 may corner better, that doesn't mean much to me. As far as finding a dealer to work on an older 'Wing, that's not an issue for me either. If there's something I can't/don't want to do, I have a some very good independent shops that are only too willing to do whatever I need.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Fatwing Chris » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:00 am

themainviking wrote:
toanogreen wrote:
What kind of adjustments did you make?


I did pretty much the same as Chris did, with the exception that I put the progressive spring on the rear, instead of replacing the shock and spring with a 2012 or newer. Same effect probably. With that, the progressive springs in the front forks and the handlebar riser kit. Chris mentioned the monoshock inserts for the front forks, and I had a friend who installed them, after he had gone with the progressive springs first. He said the monos did a lot for control, but he would not say it was worth the extra money over just the progressive springs. I also purchased an aftermarket seat by Ultimate, which brought the comfort level up considerably for long rides. Some folks find the stock seat very comfortable, but I did not.


Good to know about the monotubes.I forgot to mention that mine came with a heated Corbin that moves me back a couple of inches(huge difference).I'm like you in that I've never found a stock seat on any model/size Wing to work for me.The Hartco I had on my 1500 was an awesome seat.As far as just doing the spring I don't know about that as the shock valving does make a big difference in dampening and rebound.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Fatwing Chris » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:05 am

minimac wrote:I was thinking of moving from the 1500 until I got the opportunity to borrow a friends 1800 for a weekend. My Aspencade is now twenty one years old (wow), but the ride on mine, for me, was a lot better than his three year old one. I liked all the gizmos on the newer bike, but I spend a lot of time in the saddle and the 1800 just didn't match my old timer for room or comfort. I bought a Goldwing for comfort, not road racing, so while the 1800 may corner better, that doesn't mean much to me. As far as finding a dealer to work on an older 'Wing, that's not an issue for me either. If there's something I can't/don't want to do, I have a some very good independent shops that are only too willing to do whatever I need.


I'm the same.I didn't buy a Wing to go racing and I think Mother Honda kind of got away from what the Wing is all about when she built the 1800.I do all my own work on my bike when at home,but if I'm a couple of thousand miles from home and I need something done it'd be nice to know you could find someone to do it without too much trouble.Saying all that I guess my 04 is about to pass the 10 year mark as well.Maybe no one will want to work on it either.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby toanogreen » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:45 am

minimac wrote:I was thinking of moving from the 1500 until I got the opportunity to borrow a friends 1800 for a weekend. My Aspencade is now twenty one years old (wow), but the ride on mine, for me, was a lot better than his three year old one. I liked all the gizmos on the newer bike, but I spend a lot of time in the saddle and the 1800 just didn't match my old timer for room or comfort. I bought a Goldwing for comfort, not road racing, so while the 1800 may corner better, that doesn't mean much to me. As far as finding a dealer to work on an older 'Wing, that's not an issue for me either. If there's something I can't/don't want to do, I have a some very good independent shops that are only too willing to do whatever I need.



Well said minimac. You may have slapped me back into reality. The 1500 is a GREAT bike! It's by far a smoother ride than the 1800 (no offense 1800 riders) and it still runs and performs the way it was made to. And that's why I've had two already. You're right about the gizmos; they are nice to have, but "riding" is what it's all about. Everything about the 1800 offered to me looked good, and I still may purchase it, but at the end of the day will I have the same feeling as with the 1500? And age has no limit on a Goldwing. My friend has an '89 that looks (and runs) SUPER!
Fatwing, thanks for your updated changes to get it the way you wanted it. I don't want to pay alot more to get it the way I want it, it should already be that way.

Oh well, we'll see what happens. Maybe the dealer will throw in a trip to Bermuda!

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby ducktruck » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:05 pm

Are you still thinking it over or have you went with the 1800?

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby toanogreen » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:25 pm

ducktruck wrote:Are you still thinking it over or have you went with the 1800?

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I think I will keep my 1500, but I'm keeping my option open if I find EXACTLY what I want.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Fatwing Chris » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:23 pm

Not sure if I'm just getting used to the ride or that what I've done is making close to the 1500 ride,but I can live with it now and that's a good thing for me,because it might very well be the last one that I own.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby bigdog9191999 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:23 am

may be a little off subject but me personally bought a 1500 (mostly because a deer wrecked me out of my 1100 shadow after i had it two months) but i got it because i wanted something more comfy than the shadow was, but i also dont plan to have it more than a few years before i go to an 1800. for me the things like fuel injection is a no brainer for me ( the shadow and the 1500 are the fist two street bikes i have have ever owned) . and it may be partly my age but i as my last bike i bought to keep for a while was a 1050 tiger and i have had simiar before that and am used to the cornering clearence and prefer to not HAVE to ride like i am on a hog. i am taller and am planning on a seat for a little more room on the 1800 and i may find the distance riding a little less cushy but for me anyway i will give up a bit of cushy for the handling and the injection, and plan to go darkside just because i am loving it on my 1500 now.. i think of the 1800 as kinda like a sport touring with much better seating position than lke an fjr, or concouse (sp)


again a good share of this may be my age as even an 1800 is much more comfy to me ( in my limited time on one) than most standards and sports and most other bikes out today with very little loss in "performance" that they have. and to be honest the f6b is not completely off the table for me yet either. and there are only 2 manjor reasons and 2 minor that i probably wont,

1. even tho the wife has her own bike, she has conditons that limit how much she can ride ( drive) her bike and if a standard wing means she can have that enjoyment a bit more/longer than what she can physically have on her own then it is an easy choice

2. i think the extra storage vs the f6b will work much better for some of the future extended trips i would like to do. and if the wife can go too ( not something she can usually do with said ailments) then the space will be even more crutial.


the minor things

1. the short windshild i think would suck on long trips but could be fixed easy enough

2. a driver backrest i think would look kinda silly on the standard bagger looking bike, and i have come to really enjoy mine.

bt on the plus side it has that gunfighter seat that gives much more room!


but these are just the thoughts and ramblings of a wise before his years mid 30's guy. but i do see both sides and can see why many love and keep their beloved 1500's! i know i am enjoying mine while i have it!
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Happytrails » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:12 am

i think i want an 1800 because its there. its natural to want the next bike. For now ill be happy riding and just think about it. A 1500 is a great bike. Enjoy riding it and enjoy working on it. if i got an 1800 i probably wouldnt be working on it.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby billbob » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:31 am

I guess I am one of the few who likes a 1500 better than 1800.I have owned both ,the ride on a 1500 is better to me.If the 1500 was fuel injected it would be perfect in my opinion. :|

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby toanogreen » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:48 pm

billbob wrote:I guess I am one of the few who likes a 1500 better than 1800.I have owned both ,the ride on a 1500 is better to me.If the 1500 was fuel injected it would be perfect in my opinion. :|


That's why I think I'm going to keep my 1500.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby SailorKane » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:59 am

I've had a dozen bikes and my 1999 SE suits me fine. Not into the twisties. In fact, I had a VTX that was great, and bought the 1500 so my wife could ride with me more comfortably, but she's never been on it. I've done some iron butt rides with the 1500 and its been great, but not likely to do too many more. Kinda got that out of my system. I rented an 1800 for a day and rode it around. Its a fine bike. The 1500 feels heavier, more comfortable. I'm probably not going to "move up" to an 1800.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby Duq_ » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:18 am

I once had a 1500 as a courtesy bike. I hated it and was happy to hand it back and get my naked 1200 back.
Since then I've gone back to a 1000 because I can't get used to that combined brake system where your foot controls one caliper on the front wheel. That and the way something hits the ground on that bike before the footpegs do which has caused me to jump a lane on a roundabout a few times.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby OlsonBW » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:33 am

I originally owned a 1987 1200cc Wineberry Aspencade. At the time the top of the line model. I bought it 1995 and my wife and I LOVED it except for two things.
1) The audio system (including the CB) SUCKED!!!
2) The previous owner was worse at wiring that I am and I have no clue what I'm doing. I'm almost positive either he or the person before him, whichever one did this wiring, sold the Wing because he/she made the motorcycle at time unreliable but DEFINITELY hard to work on. Now what does _this_ wire do? And why are there 37 wires (okay - I'm exaggerating a _little_ wires coming from the back of the motorcycle.
3) No electronic fuel injection.
4) How many locks do you have to unlock to unlock a lock ... wait, I'm confused. What was I trying to get out of the 1200? lol

When it ran, which was most of the time, it was EASILY our favorite looking and riding motorcycle that we've ever owned or ridden except for a brand (not a Harley) that I won't mention.

We currently own a 2000 (the last of the 1500cc Wings) SE which is very dependable and about as inspiring as a Honda Accord which I can fall asleep while looking at if I ever get insomnia. Thankfully I don't look at it as much as I ride it. Lots of people feel they are beautiful but after having our 1987 Aspencade SE it just has never done a whole lot for me. It's reliable, that's why we have it.

Knocks?
1) Uninspiring to look at (for me and more than a few people I know - other people I know love the looks - the eye is in the beholder)
2) No electronic fuel injection
3) If I wanted to I could let go of the handlebars for half a mile on the 1200 on a straight road in Washington state and it would track the road as if on rails. I've been on two GoldWing drill teams. I know what I'm talking about when the handling wasn't lacking on the 1200s. I overlapped my 1200 and 1500 before I sold the 1200 due to lack of garage space (still kick myself for it). The 1500 had more power but not better handling.

1800s - Yes I know that 25 or 30 miles on a motorcycle won't teach you everything about a motorcycle.

Great things about an 1800.
1) More power
2) Electronic fuel injection

Bad things about an 1800.
1) Styling
2) Styling
3) Did I mention styling?

Absolutely horrible things about an 1800 since the newest 50's type styling
1) Absolutely, completely, (and pretty every other word like it followed by) styling.
I don't know what they were on when they designed the look of the newest GoldWings but they were on something that didn't agree with them.

PS: Yes the 1200 is styled _more_like_ a Harley but you can also say that Arnold Schwarzenegger is "styled" similar to (name your favorite cute actress). Styled like and looks like are two different things. If you know know the difference I can't help you but they are radically different.
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I don't like the Harley styling
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I don't like the Harley sitting position
I don't like the foot position

Why do I have a GoldWing if I don't like my 1500?
Dependability and the friends that I made when I had my 1200 GoldWing. It's a group of about 20 people that are absolutely fantastic people. I liked them so much that I bought the 1500cc GoldWing just because of them but it wasn't my first choice. I'm very glad and feel very very lucky that they consider me a friend.

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby WingRigger97 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:45 pm

toanogreen:
It really comes down to passion and use.
I've got both and have ridden them alot. I picked up the '97 1500 Aspencade with 11K on it and got it up to 65K before putting the sidecar on it (see picture on the right). It's a great machine with 101K on it now that is comfortable, dependable and easy to live with. I used it for my daily commuter and my tourer. My dog Genghis and I took the rig from North Florida to Seattle and back; and with my wife on the back seat, the three of us went from FL to Estes Park, CO to get married. No complaints anywhere along the way. The 1500 has plenty of power, and even before the rig, was a joy to ride near AND far.
We bought the '09 1800 Dark Midnight Blue new, and it has 32K on it now, mostly commuting, with a weekend jaunt now and then. The handling is superb because of the new frame, but the suspension is kinda harsh. Now that the miles are getting racked up I'm going to add Progressive Monotubes and springs to the front and the shock spring for the back and install RacerBalls on the steering neck. Mama has let it be known that she doesn't much care for the harshness on the 1800, especially compared to 1500, but she thinks the heated seat (bottom and back), are one of those "why haven't they done this before" things.
That being said though, my preference when I'm riding solo depends on what I expect from the ride. The Great White is a ver-r-ry comfortable ride, a Cadillac if you will. The handling is good (as long as you don't push it), it's dependable and looks good. Big Blue has a ride that is more taut, is more responsive and more powerful, a Bentley Continental GT. After the suspension mods, Big Blue will be just fine, both for two-up and solo, but the Great White isn't being put out to pasture any time soon.
I do all my own work, except for mounting tires, so the age thing isn't really much of a concern, even out on the road. I always carry my Gold Book and a pretty good complement of tools, so if the worst happens, I'll "get 'r dun" one way or another.
I guess the final choice comes down to the size of your garage, and your wallet.
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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby slamdunk727 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:03 pm

I worked and saved, bought my first motorcycle a 70cc Honda at age 9 . Since then I have owned many different bikes makes and sizes for the last 45 years . Four years ago I purchased a 1990 Goldwing 1500 SE I think from the time I was 18 years old I wanted a touring bike but wasn't ready to give up that snappy feeling of a sporty bike. In the time that I have the 1500 SE I love it ,the handling is OK the acceleration is OK I'm 6'2" so comfort was a concern and it is very comfortable .The 1800 has a little more passenger room but it's cramped for a larger rider. I test drove a 1998 GL 1500 SE basically the exact same bike that I bought and did not like it at all. It felt loose had some shake didn't seem to handle well very uncomfortable feel, so I guess it comes down to how the rider and bike fit together ,there is no one size fits all or one bike is better for all, you have to find the bike is best for you and enjoy riding as long as you can. Slamdunk727

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Re: 1500 vs 1800

Postby charlesgibson » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:44 am

Thought I might Chime inand since this is my first post on this forum but I bought a 1989 1500 approximately 10 years ago and it is one of the finest machines out there. a few years ago then I picked up a 2002 1800. I actually had to drive the 1800 5000 miles before I decided to sell my 1500. the differences can be more subtle than you think. I compare the 1500 and the 1800 to the Cadillac fleetwood and a Cadillac cts. the 1500 Goldwing you sit in and the 1800 Goldwing you sit on. but once you ride the 1800 for at least 5,000 miles you will probably decide it is the better motorcycle. that just goes to show you how close they really are. either one I would not hesitate to drive to California from Tennessee tomorrow. No question the 1800 handles better it corners better it has more power but either one will take you across the country and back in total comfort. preference is everything but it sure is nice to be able to run the twisties at Deals Gap and also get on the interstate and he[size=85][/size]ad to Canada




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