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sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:25 am



Hi there just new to this forum hope I can get some info on sidecars on Goldwings never owned a Goldwing but from what I have read on forums they appear to be very reliable ? I'm thinking about buying either a 1500 or 1800 as I will be pulling the sidecar I don't want it underpowered if anybody has one with a sidecar id be interested to know what sort of mileage they get from them .I was looking at DMC sidecars the ezs munro & the champion Daytona these models because they are 2 person cars & I would like to take both my kids & wife . I also need to mount the car on left hand side as I live in Australia any info would be appreciated thanks Andrew



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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby dnehasert » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:40 am

I have had sidecars on 3 different GL1100's and even this oldwing has plenty of power. I used to travel cross country on my rig with my wife and son and pulled a trailer. Using the newer Wings will make it a "sport" rig. :-)
You can research on the United Sidecar Assoc. site: www.sidecar.com for more info.
I have a 1982 GL1100 with a Watsonian Monaco sidecar and have been driving sidecars for 30 years and think the Wing is a great sidecar machine. :D

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:11 am

never having riden one I am leaning more towards a 1500 model with low k's to keep the cost down only because I don't see it getting a lot of mileage would be good to know the comparisons between the 1500 & 1800 though

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Sidcar » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:02 am

I run a GL1500 and Watsonian Oxford and it's great. I fitted EZ-Steer fork yokes, from DMC, which made the steering nice and light. It's a pleasure to ride which is what I'm going to do now.
Sidecars are a lot of fun but do get it fitted properly.

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:01 am

Sid when you said ezy steer fork yolks what are they and do you usually get them fitted to sidecars to help with the steering ? thanks Andrew

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Sidcar » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:35 am

EZ-steer yokes, known as triple trees in the US, hold the fork legs and alter the trail of the forks making the steering on an outfit or a trike much easier. Not cheap cost me about £750 but cheaper than a leading link fork kit at £1400. The kit wasn't hard to fit and transformed my outfit. Have chat with Jay at DMC that's who I bought mine off.
The Oxford is a nice big sidecar but like most Watsonians you can't get in our out without undoing numerous press studs which is a pain.
Look forward to reading about your outfit and don't forget a picture.

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:04 am

Sid whats the difference between having triple trees & leading link front end on a sidecar outfit aside from the obvious cost ?

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:30 am

Currie1965 wrote:Sid whats the difference between having triple trees & leading link front end on a sidecar outfit aside from the obvious cost ?


Both modified triple trees and leading link kits do the same thing: reduce trail (which is the distance between the steering axis and the contact patch):



The triple tree does this by modifying the caster angle, making it more vertical. This reduces trail. A leading link does the same thing by physically moving the wheel forward compared to the stock position, utilizing levers:



Trail is reduced which makes steering easier (but also reduces the resistance to oscillation, or tank-slappers).

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Sidcar » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:03 pm

Wingman has covered the tech details nicely.

Using leading links means you can use a front wheel designed for car tyres, fit bigger/better brakes and dampers to suit the sidecar, the way you ride, level of comfort etc.

Triple trees are cheaper, easier to fit and the bike looks standard.

If money was no object I'd have gone for leading links but it is so, given the mileage I do, I went for the EZ-Steer.

You pays your money and takes your choice

There might be someone in Oz making leading links which would save a few bob in shipping and duty.

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:48 am

Thanks Wingman & Sid a lot of very technical info I wasn't even aware of , I now know why I have been seeing sidecar outfits with what looked like car tyres on the front of them ( leading link ) I have to admit I did see a photo of a Yamaha FJ1300 outfit with a car tyre - sorry ( leading link ) on the front & I thought it looked fantastic aside from the fact FJ1300s are in abundance wish I could remember what type of sidecar I saw on it might have to do a search of photos on the net

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:02 am

I did forget to ask one very important question though what is the difference in how the bike handles with leading link & without ? aside from looks

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:39 pm

Also wondering does anybody have photos of a Goldwing with leading link on a sidecar ?

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:45 pm

Currie1965 wrote:Also wondering does anybody have photos of a Goldwing with leading link on a sidecar ?


Here's a GL1500:



Here's a GL1800:


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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Currie1965 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:20 am

thanks wingman I notice they both have bike tyres on front ! why do some with leading link have standard bike tyres & others have car tyres ? is it only preference or is there a big difference in performance / handling etc ? thanks Andrew

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Re: sidecar on Goldwing

Postby Sidcar » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:52 am

Sorry for the delay in replying but I've been in the Isle of Man for the Classic TT races for the past week.
The steering is much lighter with l/links or EZ-steer fitted. With my set up, and the sidecar was fitted by Watsonian themselves, the steering was heavy and I had very bad handlebar shake which made taking a hand off the bars below 30mph impossible. I didn't want to fiddle with the alignment because above 30 mph the handling was perfect, no pulling the left or right and corners like it's on rails so on went the EZ-steer. The steering is now so light the h/b shake, though still there, is not a problem (some degree of bar shake is common on outfits).

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