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lihartog
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Value of this site

Postby lihartog » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:45 am



I've downloaded quite a few manuals from this site, for the GL1500 as well as the GL1800.

Recently however, I've noticed that all but a few, valueless actually, documents have all been commercialised, and are now only available at a price, from Helm, whether you want electronic or hardcopy manuals makes no difference. This is despite the fact over the years, most if not all of these documents were freely available in the public domain.

I don't know who is behind this, but in my honest opinion, there are already plenty of Goldwing forums out there, and the primary reason for the existence of this site, namely the availability of service manuals and other documents, is now extremely disappointing to me, and no longer of any real value.

From now on, I will look elsewhere for my Goldwing documents that I might need from time to time.



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seelyark1
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Re: Value of this site

Postby seelyark1 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:39 am

Sorry that you feel that way about this site, but it is probably United States copyright law that requires that they not be given out for free. Others, myself included, see a lot more value in this site than the manuals. :D The "How toos" are an immense help to most riders and the comradery of the fellow riders that are allways willing to help are what I value here. Hope that you ride safe, and enjoy your wing.
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Re: Value of this site

Postby themainviking » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:42 am

As well you should. Honda came down on the owner of this site for having downloadable service manuals, and so that ended except in a few cases with older bikes. If, however, you ever wish to be a contributing member and discuss things about your Goldwing, come on back, as we are pretty good at that. We also have friendships here, and occasionally, some of us will do a join up meet and greet at places like the Cleveland Motorcycle Show, or go for a ride together. Having been here for almost five years and posted only four times, I do not expect you have discovered this benefit. Give it a chance.
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Re: Value of this site

Postby dingdong » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:03 am

Interesting comments from someone who has posted four times since 2010. If you should discover any "free" manuals on any of those other sites of your preference please come back and share with us. This site has transformed into one of, if not, the best Gold Wing forum on the web. Sorry you are leaving. You could come back once a month and enter the contest. That's "free" to enter.
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Re: Value of this site

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:53 pm

lihartog wrote:I've downloaded quite a few manuals from this site, for the GL1500 as well as the GL1800.

Recently however, I've noticed that all but a few, valueless actually, documents have all been commercialised, and are now only available at a price, from Helm, whether you want electronic or hardcopy manuals makes no difference. This is despite the fact over the years, most if not all of these documents were freely available in the public domain.

I don't know who is behind this, but in my honest opinion, there are already plenty of Goldwing forums out there, and the primary reason for the existence of this site, namely the availability of service manuals and other documents, is now extremely disappointing to me, and no longer of any real value.

From now on, I will look elsewhere for my Goldwing documents that I might need from time to time.


I can tell you "who is behind this": Honda.

The documents were actually never freely available in the public domain, they were all copyrighted by Honda. Honda began to assert those copyrights a few years ago, and came down on sites like this one, issuing cease and desist orders. That is why all the copyrighted documents were removed. I added links to the documents on the Helm site (the only legal place you can obtain them) as a public service, but I do not make a dime for doing so.

If you are judging the value of the site solely on what documents you can download from it for free, you are missing the greatest part of it.

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Re: Value of this site

Postby dawgout81 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:59 pm

The help and friendly advice I've received on this site is one of the reasons I opt to drive an older Goldwing. I am confident in both my bike from the work I've been able (with help from here) to do already, and help I can have in any future situations with the bike I may run into. Help is here and I use it often. I am not the most mechanical person in the world or the finest mechanic and I marvel at the mechanical abilities of the people who are willing to help here. These people here make me confident to take on almost any challenge the Goldwing may throw at me (which is almost nill anyway since they are so reliable in the first place).

It would have never occurred to me that I could change timing belts on any vehicle, yet I have. The pictures and advice found here are awesome.

Once again....thanks for all your help on this site.

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Re: Value of this site

Postby Mspinner » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:33 pm

So far, GoldwingDocs has been the only manual I've needed. And the ppl here go out of their way to help you with whatever it is you need. I haven't gone anyware else!!

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Re: Value of this site

Postby Mh434 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:40 pm

GoldWingDocs is a living, breathing manual, the likes of which even Mother Honda could not produce. It gives you virtually instant access to all the amassed knowledge about 'Wings that exists, along with specific manual diagrams & excerpts, simply with the asking, without having to do exhaustive searches. It's like having your very own, private, professional team of expert 'Wing mechanics at your fingertips...free of charge. WingAdmin, in particular, I suspect knows more about 'Wings than any mechanic alive, and is ALWAYS ready to lend his expertise to chasing down a problem, no matter what it is.

It is disappointing to find someone who only comes here for the freebies. Most of us are here to help, and to provide any help that we can give.

As far as the "value of this site" is concerned...IMHO it's priceless. I visit every single day, and contribute where I can.

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Re: Value of this site

Postby tandem54 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:06 pm

I say "Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out!" We all come here for different reasons, and I have received valuable info from this sit! FOR FREE!!!!! So good by and don't bother closing the door!!
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Re: Value of this site

Postby CMReynolds1 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:12 pm

I emphatically disagree with the statement deriding this forum. This is a very valuable site, and it's free! How can say such a negative, asnine statement? Goldwing Admin and et al, keep up the great work!
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Re: Value of this site

Postby ka4yqi » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:52 pm

One thing i can say. You maybe looking for a manual or other item to read or do a little something to your bikes, But we have one thing that the manual don't have. Experience and with a smile. Most of us have either did it, going to do it or done did it. If we know we will tell you. Scott has done a hell of a job with the board and the rest of the folks have wrote there and most of it come from the blood, sweat and tears.
Ok, I am off my soap box.

Thanks Folks for what you do for the board..

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HawkeyeGL1200
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Re: Value of this site

Postby HawkeyeGL1200 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:08 pm

Drama-free, kind of like the old country store with a pot-bellied stove stoked with wood... with enough chairs for every and any one who feels like talking old motorcycles...

I get a lot more than I give... I'd say that's worth the time spent here, with or without free documents....
I am wrong as often as I am right concerning what is wrong with someone else' motorcycle without having seen the machine in person. Guessing with limited information, as to the source of the trouble, is sketchy at best.

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Re: Value of this site

Postby dennislp » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:50 pm

was a Honda mech a long time manuals are good but the people do it in the real world without 10000 worth of tools Honda says you need are the ones to listen to. and to be blunt if you own 2 wings and have to find a free book you prob cant afford 2.

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Re: Value of this site

Postby Mag » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:13 pm

Handshake to all of you that do help. I am here for the friends made, sharing experiences with others that enjoy the same things I do, and for the wealth of knowledge that is here, it is amazing. I can ask a question, and I always get an answer (and then also a weather report from Australia of the sun shining while it is snowing/raining in the states, lol).

Sometimes websites are not for everyone, and if not I wish them well to find a place that fits them. ....... Good luck.




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