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I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby made2care » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:02 pm



I am selling both my bikes to upgrade to a 1500 or 1800. I have read that some 1800's had an issue with their frames cracking which resulted in a recall. Then again, the more I research this, only a few bikes were affected, which to me doesn't make any sense. I really want an 1800, and even an 01 would be sufficient.
On the other hand, the research on the 1500 is very positive. No issues and some riders claim these are more comfortable on long trips, however, how one defines "comfortable" relative to long trips, I'm sure varies from person to person.
I have read a thread (that rhymed) here comparing the two and really am wanting to hear something that stands out and gives me that "Ah ha" moment.
$$$$$$$$$ wise, the 1500's would save me, since the 1800's are in another league.
Any info would help. Realize I am pretty frugal when it comes to spending and I also have to sell both bikes before I can purchase another (sound familiar), guess who's the mastermind behind that concept :x
If you have one of these that you simply want to give me, since I am a nice person, by all means feel free. i will pay for shipping :D and throw in my 2 bikes for the fun of it :P



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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby redial » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:15 pm

Careful what you wish for. Shipping to Oz can be expensive, especially if you have to get one back, as well. I think I will pass for the time being, though, as I have not learned to ride two bikes at once. ;)

However, I think the 1500 is a delightful GW, but I have not had a ride on an 1800, so that I cannot compare.
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby PastoT » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:36 pm

I'm the opposite of REDIAL, I have an 1800 and never ridden a 1500. I was looking at a touring bike and wanted something around $5k and always wanted a Wing.. I really didn't care for the 1800's fat rear end but after two years and almost 40k miles I don't notice her size anymore. I( was considering anything between 1000 and 1500 (preferably a GW). I got my 2002 GL1800 at a MC dealership for $10.5k plus all the goodies to return to riding (helmets, gloves, jacket, raingear, wireless comm, etc.). I had just refinanced my truck and saved over $200 a month and figured correctly when I guessed the gas savings and the refi would pay for my first ever wing and it did, plus the insurance! If you already have riding gear and stuff than just close your eyes to all the farkles and toys you can add and then do the math. Recalls were all clear on mine less the recent brake recall and I've not had an issue. My only expenses have been fluids, tires and brake pads ( I do my own MX and upgrades so no labor costs for me so far). It is a heavy beast but I find it very nimble once you adjust to that. Definitely test ride though, the 1800 can be small if you're 6' plus; I flat foot over her easy and can be a bit cramped in the knee area. Benefits: I can haul nearly a 600# trailer and my better half anywhere the pavement leads me and it never gripes, I've plenty of bike for the toys I added, and I've never got less than 35mpg and still can easily break 100mph if I desire. I ride year round and I'm seen as a two wheeled civic less A/C and Heat!
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby Harp » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:58 pm

I had been riding an '85 1200i and the Mrs wanted to buy me a new bike last year in August. I had been looking at a 1500 - went to see it a couple of times before the owner let me ride it. Then my wife suggested I look at brand new bikes. Went down to the dealer, rode an 1800 and was amazed at how much better it handled. Weight distribution seemed better, had no fear of dropping it on very slow turns and it was much more comfortable. I did buy the 1800. Was able to do a six hour run only stopping to refuel/restroom. Was not stiff & sore later and had little fatigue.As for the frugality aspect, yes, it was expensive buying a new, out of the crate Gold Wing. I usually don't buy service maintenance contracts(generally the most expensive and unnecessary insurance one can purchase), but for $400 I was able to extend the manufacturer's warranty until 2021.
Love the 1800. I will also add that it handles even better for me as I lost 60 lbs over the winter months. Just need more good weather!
Good luck on your search 8-)

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby harvey01 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:12 pm

Back in the day I rode a Yamaha Venture 1300 when the GW1500 hit the market. I demo'd a gold Wing and was not impressed enough to give up my Venture. It was quicker and more nimble. Well the years went by and in 2002 I was in ND when the Venture broke down. We were at a Yamaha/Honda dealer and I rode away with a 02 Wing. I hated the riding position until we got to some real twisties and I was able to really ride the new Wing. Fell in love with the better brakes, more power, and much better handling. I have never looked back and have ridden GL1800's for almost 150,000 miles. Just two Wings. Now I am looking at moving to a newer Wing with less milege and maybe a warranty.
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby robb » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:44 pm

I like my 1500, seat is narrower, has adjustable rear, digital dash and more than enough power. Have swapped off with a few 1800 riders and still like the seating position of 1500 best. At under 5' 8" and 175 pounds my natural seating is more comfortable on 1500. Either both are a PIA to work on and the 1 high point for 1800 is changing rear wheel without stripping rear, but not enough for me to trade. My bike feels lighter standing still and is easier to move backwards without use of reverse. There are more 1800 riders in our group and all have ridden mine without complaints. Took on Dragon in the rain and shine and holds it's own.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby spiralout » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 pm

made2care wrote:I am selling both my bikes to upgrade to a 1500 or 1800.

An update is not necessarily an upgrade but in this case I think it is :P I wouldn't consider replacing my 15 with an 18 an upgrade though.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby Mh434 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:41 am

Being long-legged, I found the 1800 a little cramped. The 1500 gave me more knee room (this has been an issue for me with several models of bikes) - I have tons of room now, and the seating position is good for both short trips and long-mileage hauls.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:51 am

1800 is what YOU want to have, you already told us that in your first post, in your 4th sentence...So go get you one man and quit talking about it.... :lol: :lol: :lol: Kidding don't get mad..I like the 1500 but that's because I am large..

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby minimac » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:31 am

As a 1500 owner, I'm somewhat biased. When I went shopping for a 'Wing, money didn't enter into my decision. I wanted the most comfortable riding tourer for my type of riding-which was mainly touring.
The 1500 seemed to have more useable storage space and fit me like a glove. The 1800 handled better for more 'spirited' riding, but that wasn't what I was after, and it felt lacking in legroom for me. At the time I didn't care for the looks of the 1800-it since has grown on me, though. The handling of my bike has greatly improved by adding the Austone rear and a good radial front tire. I feel now that the 1800s aren't better by a great enough margin, to make me want to change what I have, even though it's twenty years old.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby dingdong » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:24 am

littlebeaver wrote:1800 is what YOU want to have, you already told us that in your first post, in your 4th sentence...So go get you one man and quit talking about it.... :lol: :lol: :lol: Kidding don't get mad..I like the 1500 but that's because I am large..


Read the above post. You know you want an 1800. If you get a 1500, next year you will be asking for opinions on another upgrade. Go for it!
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby themainviking » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:19 am

If you are tall, a 1500 has more room. I am 5'8" and the 1800 is great for me. I could go another 4" in height and the 1800 would still be really good, in fact better and better, but if I was 6'4", the 1500 would fit better. The wings that had frame cracking problems were 2003, and Honda in their wisdom inspected 2002 to 2004. More than 60% of the bikes they inspected had no cracking. If Honda repaired one with a cracked frame problem, the repair was done right and well, and the bikes were still alligned and straight. I have not heard of an after problem and I know of one 2003 that has had a lot of miles put on it after the repair, without any problems. As far as other recalls, the only other for the GL1800 is the secondary brake master cylinder, and it's new followup, and Honda has no idea how to fix it, but very few bikes have had problems. Both 15 and 18 bikes are virtually non problematic, although through reading Stu Oltman's column in WingWorld Magazine, there are some recurring problems with both bikes, none of which seems very serious. Good maintenance seems to be the key to no problems. The only real downfall of the 1500s is that they are getting a little long in the tooth. The very newest you could get is between 15 and 16 years old now. There are still a lot of 1000 to 1200 Goldwings running around, so this age factor should not be a problem. Bikes are typically better cared for than cars, so they last a lot longer.

All that said, and reading it over for grammatical sake, I would say your height would be the determining factor. If you are 6'4" or taller, or fairly hefty of girth, you might want to consider a GL1500 over a GL1800. Otherwise, pick one and go for it, as the Beav said. Excess Frugality can be conquered if you see just what you want - take my word for that. Any of the little problems with either of these bikes has been solved and a little money and work will buy the fix. (IE: the loose shifters on 1500s have a kit) (the overheating of the 1800 is not really an overheat, but only a sensitive sensor) (the slip out of gear of the 1800 is an expensive fix, but it can be fixed with an available kit which contains undercut gears) You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.

And as a final thought, I like new, so if it was me, I would find a nice new GL1800 or maybe an F6B.
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby Mh434 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:03 am

Although I'm not 6'4", nor particularly expansive of girth, my 34"-inseam-pant legs dictate that the 1500 is a much better fit for me.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby robb » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:25 am

It's a compromise of power vs. style and comfort, but 1500 can handle a larger tow load with ease. With 19 more hp and 13 lb torque the 1800 has a rated top speed of 115 mph, same as Gl1500. Not much for 300+ cc and fuel injection. On flat ground the 1800 has the jump but when climbing in elevation the 1500 feels at home. I have 1/2 gallon less fuel and get better fuel mileage than my fellow riders. The 1800 is more visible from behind at night but 1500 is less affected by a big rig passing. A 1500 offers more room for rider, 1800 for passenger. Both bikes are top heavy and while both seat heights are close I find the 1500 easier to straddle, and with 10-15 psi in rear about 1" lower. This is just my observations from swapping off to allow us to experience upgrades to other bikes in our group. The 300 pound riders say my bikes front is soft but the 200 pound riders have a satisfying ride. I liked my seat until riding another 1500 with a Corbin seat, now I want one. My Travelcade seat is geared for a heavier rider, still no complaints from others.
Was on Parkway and spoke with a 5' 6" tall lady on a 1800. She had a modified Corbin seat that was narrowed 2" in front that she attributed to her being able to ride. From test setting alone I could have been swayed more to an 1800 with a firm footing. Both my knees have been broken and no bow now to wrap around a structure makes seating difficult.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:22 pm

Mh434 wrote:Although I'm not 6'4", nor particularly expansive of girth, my 34"-inseam-pant legs dictate that the 1500 is a much better fit for me.

ha ha ha you guys are funny, you mean a fat ---k, right? :lol: Expansive of Girth...lol now that's funny stuff... :lol: I'm gonna use that one,, thanks man...

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby f1xrupr » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:41 pm

I've never ridden ether, but I read a lot. There is supposed to be a documented and verifiable 1500 with over 400,000 miles on it, and another with over 800,000. All these guys do Is ride the bikes. Also, the 1800 is said to have more problems than all other goldwings combined. Search the net-you can find this.
But, I guess it all depends on what you're after.
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby Firstwinger » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:54 pm

I just bought my 94 Aspencade 1500 last summer. I went thru the same dilemma. Here is some of what I needed to answer to make a decision. First how often do you ride? How far do you ride? What bike fits you like a glove? What can you afford? There are always choices, but for me I could afford the 1500 over the 1800, so I found an original owner that had low miles. I figure the bike would last longer than I could go to many miles to hurt it. It has 32K these things runs over 200K no problem. For me lower price, the fit, and great condition sold me. If you go 1500 and get a great deal, you will get your money back if you want to go up to 1800.

Good luck!

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby made2care » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:40 pm

Well, I'm 6'3" 220 lbs. and after all the responses, I'm even more confused, but keep them coming boys and girls. Heck, maybe I should just keep sleeping beauty, and say to h---with this.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby littlebeaver » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:13 pm

:lol: Buy the 1500 and ride it for a year then sell it... then enjoy the 1800 for a year.. You will then have your answer.... :D

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby redial » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:43 am

Lil Beaver's suggestion has merit. But I would be happy with the 1500 for a long time. I am only 178 cm, and weigh about 79 Kgs, (about 5 ft 9, and 173 lb), and I can handle the 1500 ok.
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby robb » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:54 am

I had to prove myself before entry into a riding group of 12. Once in your good enough to swap off rides for test runs. Twelve Goldwings and we have ridden each others bike. Though there are more 1800's most have traded up due to mileage and a few say not the best move. Check with a dealer and see if they will rent you a used bike for a few days. A lot can be said from setting on bike but a ride will make or break the decision.

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby made2care » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:06 am

I found a 2000, 1500 for 5 g's. 90,000 miles. clean title, good deal??

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Postby Fatwing Chris » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:34 am

f1xrupr wrote:I've never ridden ether, but I read a lot. There is supposed to be a documented and verifiable 1500 with over 400,000 miles on it, and another with over 800,000. All these guys do Is ride the bikes. Also, the 1800 is said to have more problems than all other goldwings combined. Search the net-you can find this.
But, I guess it all depends on what you're after.

You're right about the 1800 having more issues than all the other models put together.And most of them are real expensive issues.Well documented.IMHO the 1800 was the most disappointing Wing of all the Wings that I've owned.I've owned at least one of each size(2-1200's).My own fault.I drank the KOOLAIDE and didn't research them enough or ride one before I bought it other than a quick road test.If I knew 2 years ago what I know now I may just have stuck with a 1500 a while longer.At the time I had a deal on a real nice 2000 SE already done,but the 1800 popped up at the last minute and I thought that the way everybody talked about the 1800 I'd better have one.If I'd of rode it very far before buying it I might just be still riding a 1500.JMHO.
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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby made2care » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:55 am

Fatwing Chris wrote:
f1xrupr wrote:I've never ridden ether, but I read a lot. There is supposed to be a documented and verifiable 1500 with over 400,000 miles on it, and another with over 800,000. All these guys do Is ride the bikes. Also, the 1800 is said to have more problems than all other goldwings combined. Search the net-you can find this.
But, I guess it all depends on what you're after.

You're right about the 1800 having more issues than all the other models put together.And most of them are real expensive issues.Well documented.IMHO the 1800 was the most disappointing Wing of all the Wings that I've owned.I've owned at least one of each size(2-1200's).My own fault.I drank the KOOLAIDE and didn't research them enough or ride one before I bought it other than a quick road test.If I knew 2 years ago what I know now I may just have stuck with a 1500 a while longer.At the time I had a deal on a real nice 2000 SE already done,but the 1800 popped up at the last minute and I thought that the way everybody talked about the 1800 I'd better have one.If I'd of rode it very far before buying it I might just be still riding a 1500.JMHO.


AAAhhh this is interesting. It seems as though the 1500 is really standing out as the better bike here. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

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Re: I cant decide, maybe you can.

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:08 am

My 1100 is better than both of them :shock: :lol: Oh man I would get the 1500 for sure,, cost is less probably by 1/2 and the passenger will probably have more room, forget about the miles....... You can always go test ride one and then the other.. See how it fits...Just like a nice pair of Levi's jeans.... it' sat. go test ride some bikes man...




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