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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by spiralout » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:44 pm



WingAdmin wrote:I agree, I'm surprised that people are calling the GL1500 top heavy. I found my GL1100 far more top heavy than my GL1500, moving to the GL1500 it felt like all the weight was at the bottom in comparison!
Same exact thing here. I rode my 1100 for the first time in a while last week and wow, what a difference. It felt a lot taller, top heavy and unstable in tight maneuvers. I can't believe I used to ride 2-up on it with confidence :o :o
Side note: I've been riding my buddies new to him 800cc Suzuki Intruder a little and for a lot smaller, lighter bike with a lower seat, it feels more unstable and top heavy than my 1500. I think it's just the 1800 guys making up stuff to make their bikes seem better than they are to sway c5 their direction :lol:



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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Fatwing Chris » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:21 pm

spiralout wrote:
WingAdmin wrote:I agree, I'm surprised that people are calling the GL1500 top heavy. I found my GL1100 far more top heavy than my GL1500, moving to the GL1500 it felt like all the weight was at the bottom in comparison!
Same exact thing here. I rode my 1100 for the first time in a while last week and wow, what a difference. It felt a lot taller, top heavy and unstable in tight maneuvers. I can't believe I used to ride 2-up on it with confidence :o :o
Side note: I've been riding my buddies new to him 800cc Suzuki Intruder a little and for a lot smaller, lighter bike with a lower seat, it feels more unstable and top heavy than my 1500. I think it's just the 1800 guys making up stuff to make their bikes seem better than they are to sway c5 their direction :lol:

If you've read any of my posts you'll soon see that I've never pushed the 1800 over the 1500.That's why I say to try and put miles on both of them before making the move.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by wingman12 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:33 pm

Good evening cruiser, I have not ridden a 1800 so I have no comparison. I don't think my 1500 is top heavy, but I have been riding this bike since new out of the crate in June 1999. The GF also will not drive her own but she loves the comfort and ride of the 1500. I made changes to the exhaust and muffler system because she was sluggish and way to quiet. Recently I installed progressive fork springs and it seemed as if the bike lose a couple of hundred lbs because she handles so much better. No matter how many people you talk to and ask question of, the final decision will have to be yours. Perhaps you and your bride can take the 1500 & the 1800 for a demo ride?


This is my ride, ps I just turned 70 and still can handle with ease , happy hunting. :D :D

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by c5cruiser » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:57 pm

Hi wingman12
Yeah that would be great but she won't get on until we own it.
Trust me, I've tried.
I will have to check it out the 1500. I've ridden the 1800 a few times but I have an appointment to ride my first 99. Just the carbs are a concern especially on high and low elevations.
I'll keep you posted.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Fatwing Chris » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:13 pm

I've ridden the BRP and Skyline Drive on an overloaded 89 with the wife on board and never had any altitude carb related problems or any other carb related problems with it as far as that goes.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Uncle Fester » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:39 pm

No experiance with the 1800s, no opinion there, BUT . . . I have done a 9.5 hr ride from Bethany Ok (Oklahoma City) where I live to Thornton Colo (Denver) to see friends, only stops where fuel, food and bathroom. Stock seat was OK, but I was still ready to visit friends and go out (on the bike again) at the end of the almost 700 mile ride. Oh, just FYI, I am 6'3" tall and 300 pounds and my bike did not have highway pegs at that time. . .
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by c5cruiser » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:43 pm

Must have been tough on the knees. :shock:

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Fatwing Chris » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:33 am

Uncle Fester wrote:No experiance with the 1800s, no opinion there, BUT . . . I have done a 9.5 hr ride from Bethany Ok (Oklahoma City) where I live to Thornton Colo (Denver) to see friends, only stops where fuel, food and bathroom. Stock seat was OK, but I was still ready to visit friends and go out (on the bike again) at the end of the almost 700 mile ride. Oh, just FYI, I am 6'3" tall and 300 pounds and my bike did not have highway pegs at that time. . .
I'm 5'10" and 210 lb. I didn't even make it home from picking up my 89(1 1/2 ride) and knew the stock seat had to go.Bike was fairly low miler and the seat was in good shape then.Got an extremely good deal on a Hartco and never looked back.
I've heard the 1800 stock seats weren't any better.I'm pretty happy with the heated Corbin that came on mine.
If I'da known it would last this long,I'da taken better care of it.
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Uncle Fester » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:08 pm

I plan on a full leather Non- HEATED Corbin this coming tax season. Have had them on a few other bikes I have owned, and they are great seats
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by minimac » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:31 am

The issue seems to be she doesn't trust your driving at low speed. Buying an1800 isn't going to cure that. I considered getting an 1800 because I thought my bike('93 Aspencade) was getting old. I tried a couple of 1800s and the ergos just weren't right( 5'-11,260#, 32"inseam) for me. I felt cramped and couldn't imagine riding any distance like that. I run an Austone(6ply radial) on the rear and a Bridgestone radial on the front of my 1500. I feel I get the handling of the 1800, with the comfort of the 1500.
BTW, I change my own tires-it isn't hard- but when I do need one mounted and I don't want to do it, I have a independent shop in town that charges me $20 to mount and balance if I have the wheel off the bike. I prefer using the dyna beads for balancing the fronts, though, and since I started using them, my fronts do not cup on the left side-but I switched to a radial front at the same time so that might have something to do with it.
In the end, I decided to keep my 20+ year old 1500( 52K miles). I couldn't justify the extra cost and felt I wouldn't gain much.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by captscotty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:08 am

I'm 6'2", 200. 2010 GL1800. My wife and I have done several 800 mile days. I ride very little with my feet under me. I'd have to be racing a sport bike solo. With straight Kuryakyn pegs on the engine guards I can easily make the 200 miles between fuel stops...and can do it all day.

Rider backrest, highway pegs, a car tire and cruise control. All I need.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by lihartog » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:49 am

I ride an '02 GL1800, which replaced an '83 GL1100 Interstate. I've never owned a 1500, but as a good friend parks his 1500 at my house because he doesn't have the space at his own, I've ridden the 1500 on a number of occasions and over some distances.

My opinion is that if Honda is now busy designing the next Goldwing, that is if all the rumours are to be believed, they would do well to combine the best traits of the 1800 with those of the 1500.

Let me explain. The 1800 handles better than it has any right to, given its size and weight. It has got power and torque to spare. The fuel injection system keeps the bike ticking like a well made Swiss watch, and it has good fuel consumption to boot. It is lighter (not by much) than the 1500, and of course the 1500 is looking a bit dated. And I'm not even going to mention all the gadgets and systems. "Reliability" is the other way to spell the word G-O-L-D-W-I-N-G.

In my book, the 1500 gives a far superior ride to the 1800, being plusher over bumps and ripples, with the air suspension offering much better adjustment than the preload adjustment on the 1800, and there is more 'space' behind the handlebars. I'm 6-1 in my socks, and my legs are longer than normal, (I need a 34" inseam when shopping for pants) and I am more comfortable, especially my legs and knees, when on the 1500 than on the 1800. I didn't buy a Goldwing to go canyon scraping, so I'm quite prepared to lose a bit of handling prowess in favour of a better ride and comfort, which is the main reason that I ride Goldwings.

The 1500 engine IMHO sounds better, albeit that sometimes I think it's a bit lumpy. When cruising at 130kmh (80mph), the GL1500 feels far more relaxed and at home, whereas the 1800 sounds and feels "busy", despite the gear ratios being such that both bikes are doing more or less the same RPM.

Maybe one day I will buy a good condition 1500, take out the engine and replace it with the 1800 lump, but retain the 1500 exhaust system. I think that would be pretty close to Goldwing perfection.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by toanogreen » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:45 am

c5cruiser wrote:Thanks redial for the pics.
Thanks waitutilthebeep for the info.

I've come across a Black 04 with 54000 miles on her. She is beautiful. Makes me want to keep my X just so I have the pair. Just tell my wife but I just may. :x

You know, I did find a 99 in 2 tone mint green. The only year that color was produced. It's also very nice.

And the debate continues, do I go for comfort and a little top heavy or performance and a lower center of gravity.

Hmmmm...
I have a mint green (pearl green is the official name) and I love it! It came with a heel-toe shifter and floor boards which I really love and a driver's backrest (necessity) . The only modification I have made is the seat. I traded a guy my OEM seat for a Saddleman seat because he wanted to go back to the original look and feel. It didn't feel as good as the original to me. I just replace it with an ULTIMATE seat. WOW! What a difference. I haven't taken it out on a long trip yet, but this is way more comfortable than the OEM seat, which to me is important in the riding experience. I have ridden a few 1800's. I've gone to the dealer and talked to a number of people selling their 1800's. I just love my 1500. Until I find another(1500 probably), I will keep this one.

Maintenance wise, do it regularly and you will be fine. My only major issue was the alternator.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by FM-USA » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:22 am

I read thru this post, "Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500" and have yet to understand the "TIRED" difference between the two.
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by jfredman » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:36 am

lihartog hit the nail on the head. I have owned at least one of every model of Gold Wing, so I've ridden them all. The 1500 is the best of the bunch for traveling down the Interstate. It has more room and is more comfortable for sitting long stretches. However, it is carbureted, and with today's crappy gas, especially the ethanol garbage, that can be a potential issue in the long term. I was hit several years ago by a car that ran a red light. I saw her coming and hit the throttle, as I was already in the intersection. She hit me about 4" from the rear of the bike. I'm convinced if I had been on the fuel injected 1800 then I would have cleared her.

Which leads to my thoughts on the 1800. While nothing compares to the 1500 for long straight rides, the 1800 in king of the mountain for handling. Yes, the 1500 handles extremely well for a bike its size. However, I am a MSF instructor and also a fairly young Gold Wing rider. I'm in my early 40's and have been riding Wings for almost 20 years now. I have to replace the skid pads on my floorboards every 2-3 months because I love to lay my 1800 over in the twisties. Can the 1500 do that? Absolutely! But, it is much easier on the 1800 because it has a lower center of gravity and less weight, along with more power.

So, my suggestion is ride them both and buy the one you like best. You won't go wrong with either one. Consider your riding style and then your budget. With all of the aftermarket items available, you can customize either to fit you well. I am 5' 10" and 240 pounds. I have a Wing Soft king seat and MBL handlebar risers on my 1800, and have my switchblade highway pegs set so that I can stretch out with ease when traveling down the super slab.

Best of luck with your decision, and I'll see you down the road!

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Rusty Wing » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:03 am

I have had an 84 1200, an 88 1500, and now a 95 1500, also an 02 ST-1100.
I noticed a big diff between the 1200, and 1500, that 88 had the 84 beat out all the way.
I never had any problems with Carbs, I lived in Houston, Texas, not much above sea level.
I made several trips to Colorado. Denver area, and one trip across Monarch Pass. No problems.
Now I am in Florida, and have a 95 1500, and still no problems, what I thought was a top heavy bike is just an Old Man not having the strength I did in my 30's.
I also have an 02 ST-1100, and she is more comfortable, and performs way better than the wing.
A good friend has an 1800, and we have switched bikes for long rides, and both of us agree that the 1500 is overall more comfortable, we are both 6' tall and 190-200 lbs. size equal.
Also both of us like the ST best of the three.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by hlh1 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:18 am

I can't believe no one has compared the 1500/1800 brakes in this excellent discussion?

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Fatwing Chris » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:35 am

hlh1 wrote:I can't believe no one has compared the 1500/1800 brakes in this excellent discussion?
What?The fact that the 1800 brakes are far more complicated if you have a problem or that all 1800's have another brake recall that they don't have a cure for?
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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by wingman12 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:06 am

now I understand why the 1800 have air bags on them. it is to cushion you when your brakes do not work. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by buztz » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:17 am

I have a 2013 1800 but have owned a 1000, 1100 and a 1500. My favorite is the 1800 if your wife doesn't like to ride consider an 1800 trike still plenty of power and you can get a new one in some parts of the country new for around $35,000.00 or a good used one for allot less.

With a trike there is no chance of dropping it.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by hlh1 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:58 am

What?The fact that the 1800 brakes are far more complicated if you have a problem or that all 1800's have another brake recall that they don't have a cure for?

Read more: viewtopic.php?t=28640&start=25#ixzz3hZzWFiqy
Interesting, but probably my only complaint about the 1500 is lack of stopping power on such a heavy beast.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by wingman12 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:08 am

interesting, I can not say that I have noticed any issues related to stopping, my 1500 seems to stop on a dime without any heavy pressures, sometimes in quick reaction I get the tires to churp because I put to much pressure on the foot and hand brake. the 82 1100I does have braking issues on the rear. :D :D

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by hlh1 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:33 pm

At the risk if hijacking this topic; I'm wondering if the PO of my 1500 has non-stock brake pads installed, but I think the work was done by Honda. Mine stops, but not "on a dime" and doesn't chirp the tires. Recently I've replaced the front brake lines and will replace the rear next time I replace the rear tire. This is helped some. I suspect that it's a problem with guys like me who have ridden a lot of sport bikes with amazing brakes, and the 1500 brakes by comparison are poor. I've ridden an 1800 and the brakes are much better than the 1500.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by FM-USA » Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:41 pm

I had the Honda OEM brake pads F & R.
Did a panic stop and locked both wheels for 3 feet. REAL LUCKY I was perfectly straight up.

Since then I've tested other makes and settled on the Kevlar pads. They will lock up but only on 100% pedal pressure. I like that since I haul a heavy trailer a lot and i It has it's own brakes.

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Re: Tired on GL1800 vs GL1500

Post by Coyote1 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:22 pm

I currently have a 1500 but have ridden an 1800 a few times. Totally different rides. The 1800 is a little easier to handle around town and in the twisties but a little more cramped. The 1500 is more comfortable on the long hauls but is more top heavy. My first Wing was an 85 Limited 1200 which was best for long rides. I passed many rest stops as I did not feel the need to stretch. However, my favorite ride was an 06 ST1300. It was fast, agile and a fun ride through the hills where I spend most of my time. A U-turn driver killed it and I broke my back. I'm only on the 1500 because a friend practically gave it to me. Overall, I like them all for different reasons.


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