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Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:46 am



Hello everyone, new around here and wanting to get my fist Goldwing. I am 44 and have always had sport bikes for the last 25 yrs., live in northern Florida.
Currently I have a 2005 Z1000 and an KZ650 bobber/chopper? that I truly enjoy riding but have the urge for something to do longer rides on with less soreness. I have never rode a Goldwing and hearing a few jokes from my friends on my thinking but have been reading and studying up on Goldwings a lot lately and seem a good choice in what I am wanting in a bike, plus cost and longevity.

My plans at this time is to sell the Z1000 and use the money to get an older GL1100. I have made that decision on the simplicity of carbs/electronics and cost, correct me if making poor years decision but I also like the looks of the 1100 plus the ease of removal and re-installing the bags and touring equipment.
Thinking I should have enough left after purchase to do any maintenance on the GL and get it road worthy without getting the wife to disturbed at my motorcycle addiction. I haven't in a while really enjoyed the Z for what it does best and I have had a few 300+ mile days on her to know she isn't a good choice for any trips and hard to carry anything other than a backpack.
This site seems to be packed full of great people and tons of tech, really looking forward to getting my hands on a GW and dirty.



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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:41 am

Welcome to the site!

Your 2005 Z1000 should sell for more than twice what a decent GL1100 can be bought for. You could probably even get into an older GL1500 for that price. Of course you could find a nice GL1100, do some maintenance (timing belts, etc.), upgrade some farkles, and use the extra cash to fund some trips or things to keep the wife happy. :)

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby Sally » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:13 pm

I think you should take a close look at my 02 in the for sale forum. Thanks Sally

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:35 am

That's what I am hoping Wing. I am off work today so going out and detail the Z and put on Craig's List in a few. Not sure about value of Z, she has 32k miles and people look at sportbikes with that many miles differently than GWs, lol. I have had it for 10yrs and have had my fun, just getting the itch to travel by bike and relax some while doing it.
Sally I will have a look but something is really drawing me to the 1100. Not exactly sure what it is but they have a look that appeals to me. I have always liked the old UJMs so that might be it.
My biggest concern is dependability of an older bike on long trips so I am intending going over the maintenance very well and plan some good long day rides to shake out any bugs.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby raven41951 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:14 pm

Before I bought my Wing, I found a great GW history by Steve Saunders. That steered me to the 1500.
http://www.goldwingfacts.com/
I also have to say that the vast majority of my forum time is spent here. WA has put together a great package with all the help, DIY articles and feedback you need.
Good Luck

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby maintainer » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:41 am

I come from the same sportbike genre, but have owned sport tourers, and Honda's crown jewel GL 1800 tourer. I am currently riding an 1982 GL 1100.

Some things to prepare for in an owning an older touring bike are:
Greatly reduced power, handling, and braking performance. Owning an classic requires extra tinkering and close attention to maintenance related items.
Obsolete discontinued replacement parts are an aggravation and many times used salvage parts must do.
Resale value is terrible, you have to ride the value out of them.

Benefits:
Old school technology type mechanical simplicity.
A wealth of information on forums about quirks and mods.
Though old school, these old bike when mechanically right still impress as touring mile eater's.
Very economical to own.

Personally though now also very dated, I would still prefer another GL 1800 for it's resale, power, and handling.

Many rave about the GL 1500, I have never owned one.
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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:33 am

Thanks for the heads up, I am used to classic bikes. I also have a '78 KZ650 bobber, and built a '94 YZF600 up from just a frame, mainy ebay parts but it was only made 2 years. It took me 8 months to find a stator for it. So far all I'm getting is people wanting to trade me sportbikes for the Z,lol. Here is my add https://lakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/5113027130.html

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby Mh434 » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:39 pm

I went from a sport bike to my GL1500. I'd owned a GL1100 years ago, but even then, parts were starting to get difficult to find. It was a great bike, but once the alternator starts to fail, there are difficult decisions to be made...

Surprisingly, although the GL1500 certainly has less snap than the Kawasaki 1000 I changed from, the torque of that big six really helps to make up for it. Instead of the feeling (on the Kawasaki) of being rear-ended by a bus when you pull the trigger, it's more like having a large bungy hooked onto the rear end of a speeding bus going by. There's less vibration, by far (and even a lot less than on the GL1100), which I find is less tiring. While the luggage on a GL1100 is more easily removed, it's still a bolt-on type situation, and it has less room than the later models. For longer rides, this is a consideration!

My suggestion is to definitely try out a 'Wing, but before you decide which one, try riding GL1500's and GL1800's (although the latter would probably be out of the price range of your plan).

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:36 pm

Mh434 wrote:I went from a sport bike to my GL1500. I'd owned a GL1100 years ago, but even then, parts were starting to get difficult to find. It was a great bike, but once the alternator starts to fail, there are difficult decisions to be made...

Surprisingly, although the GL1500 certainly has less snap than the Kawasaki 1000 I changed from, the torque of that big six really helps to make up for it. Instead of the feeling (on the Kawasaki) of being rear-ended by a bus when you pull the trigger, it's more like having a large bungy hooked onto the rear end of a speeding bus going by. There's less vibration, by far (and even a lot less than on the GL1100), which I find is less tiring. While the luggage on a GL1100 is more easily removed, it's still a bolt-on type situation, and it has less room than the later models. For longer rides, this is a consideration!

My suggestion is to definitely try out a 'Wing, but before you decide which one, try riding GL1500's and GL1800's (although the latter would probably be out of the price range of your plan).


I went from a GSX-R750 to my GL1100, and you make a good comparison. Where the GSX-R felt like the bike was being kicked out from under you and you had better hold on tight or you're getting left behind, the GL1100 was more like a solid, continuous pull, not a sudden violent kick. The GL1500 is even more so - massive torque, so a stronger pull, but also massive weight, so while it is accelerating with definite purpose, it does have a lot of weight to move.

To give you an idea:

My GSX-R750
Power: 112 hp @ 11,000 rpm
Torque: 60 ft-lb @ 9,500 rpm
Wet weight: 429 lb
Power to weight: 3.83 lbs/hp

GL1100
Power: 83 hp @ 7,500 rpm
Torque: 64.9 ft-lb @ 5,500 rpm
Wet weight: 764 lb
Weight/Horsepower: 9.2 lbs/hp

GL1500
Power: 100 hp @ 5,200 rpm
Torque: 110 ft-lb @ 4,000 rpm
Wet weight: 893 lb
Weight/Horsepower: 8.9 lbs/hp

And just for comparison's sake:

GL1800
Power: 118 hp @ 5,500 rpm
Torque: 123.2 ft-lb @ 4,000 rpm
Wet weight: 925 lb
Weight/Horsepower: 7.8 lbs/hp

So basically while people like to call the GL1800 a "sportbike on steroids", with less than half the power/weight ratio, a GSX-R is going to leave it in the dust. :)

A 2015 Z06 Corvette, with 605 hp and 3524 lbs works out to 5.42 lbs/hp, which is definitely sportbike territory. An insane factory supercharged 2015 Suzuki Hayabusa 1500SC, with 570 hp and 586 lbs wet weight is a blistering 1.03 lbs/hp!

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby spiralout » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:58 pm

WingAdmin wrote:GL1800
Power: 118 hp @ 5,500 rpm
Torque: 123.2 ft-lb @ 4,000 rpm
Wet weight: 925 lb
Weight/Horsepower: 8.1 lbs/hp

So basically while people like to call the GL1800 a "sportbike on steroids", with less than half the power/weight ratio, a GSX-R is going to leave it in the dust. :)

Bad math, Boss. The ratio on those numbers would be 7.8 lbs/hp but that's not correct either. I've seen wet weights on 1800's all the way from 880 lbs for the earlier years to 933 lbs for the 2015 ABS. I'm just nitpicking :P

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:47 pm

spiralout wrote:
WingAdmin wrote:GL1800
Power: 118 hp @ 5,500 rpm
Torque: 123.2 ft-lb @ 4,000 rpm
Wet weight: 925 lb
Weight/Horsepower: 8.1 lbs/hp

So basically while people like to call the GL1800 a "sportbike on steroids", with less than half the power/weight ratio, a GSX-R is going to leave it in the dust. :)

Bad math, Boss. The ratio on those numbers would be 7.8 lbs/hp but that's not correct either. I've seen wet weights on 1800's all the way from 880 lbs for the earlier years to 933 lbs for the 2015 ABS. I'm just nitpicking :P


Yep, you're right on both counts - I must have fat-fingered my calculator! And you're correct, the weight of the GL1800 has changed pretty substantially over the years, and with different models and options. I picked a number for a fairly recent model.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:49 pm

Well i was able to keep my Z and get a 1983 GL1100. Found one I was able to get for $850, has 16k miles but hasn't been ran in a year, looks good but didnt want to try and start it without fresh gas so going back tomorrow evening after work with a fresh battery and gas and trailering it home.
You guys be prepared for many questions, lol.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:56 pm

Crappy pics but was dealing with a serious storm checking it out

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby maintainer » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:14 am

What a bargain, no wings available in my area under a grand unless it's a neglected and stored high miler or has no title.
Congrats, now you have the best of both worlds: power and handling and touring comfort.
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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:08 am

Thanks Maintainer, pretty excited, wish i didn't have to work and could play with her some. I have got to figure out some better parking now, lol. Got 4 bikes that have to be in carport and still walk through but not the worst problem to have. :D

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby rooferx » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:48 pm

That's a Deal for sure ..I like it,

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:43 pm

Thanks guys, got her home and put new battery in after a little while got her to start and idle and take throttle. The ignition switch has some issues, has to be in a kinda half way spot to get power but very happy it started and sounded good. But after a while didn't want to start, probably need to drain and clean carbs so just fresh gas going in.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:50 pm


Here she is at new home, taking up a lotof space, lol, my lil kz650 bobber looks miniscule behind the Wing.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:26 pm

Took her for a little ride around neighborhood today, lol, man is she heavy feeling but very smooth on straight aways. Thought i was going to have to go through the carbs but started immediately with choke then idled nice and smooth when off choke. Seems to require some revs to get moving smoothly, but that is a lot of bike to get moving.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby redial » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:16 pm

For a nice looking GW, like you have, you should be overcoming that crowded look and overnight it in the lounge or the kitchen :twisted:
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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:28 pm


Well have had her for over a year and got few thousand miles on her. Been slowly getting everything up to par with maintenance caught up. So far besides all the fluids I've replaced timing belts and water pump, switched to Progressive springs front and rear, rebuilt brake master cylinders and just put new tires on her. Went with the Shinko 230 Tour Masters, only been able to put a few miles on the new tires due to work and non stop rain here but seems they fixed a head shake problem I had and couldn't figure out. Plus stripped it down to more of a bagger which I really like the look of.

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby minimac » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:30 am

That was a great buy. How are you enjoying it? It's a lot different than a sport bike, but different is good. Didn't like the full fairing? That makes rain riding almost fun!

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Re: Time for a change, want a GW

Postby whitey818 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:46 pm

Loving it so far, not only enjoy riding but also like the wrench turning. I rode it with the fairing for a while but couldn't get used to it, made the bike seem so much bigger and bulkier that it really was. Really like naked bikes, usually end up with streetfighters instead of sport bikes for last 10yrs or so. Me and the wife going to put a couple hundred miles on it this weekend, she had surgery earlier this summer and will be her first decent ride on a bike. :D




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