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The idiots are out there

Postby dingdong » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:09 am



Be very careful guys. Texas numbnuts.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby maintainer » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:52 am

I can assure you this is not an isolated incident, happened to me a few years ago dodged them without going down.
There is a lot of hostility towards motorcyclists and many resent being passed by them. Other than the previously mentioned personal incident, I was actually swerved at head on before. I have been crowded while stopped at a signal light with a cage bumper inches from my rear tire. There are other near misses but I will spare you, I try to stay out in the boonies away from "the majority" of self appointed king of the road rage prone maniacs. That way I minimize my hazards to crawling farm machinery and random suicidal wildlife.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby NVSB4 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:57 am

I think both the car driver and the motorcycle driver were stupid.
Too bad that the girlfriend rider had to pay the price.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:35 am

even though the bike rider shouldn't have passed that car over the double yellow line, that didn't give the car driver any reason to do what he did, then have the balls to say "i don't care?" after he did it. that car driver should have his drivers license revoked and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for hitting that motorcyclist. i hope the 2 bike riders are going to be alright and have a good lawyer.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:40 am

maintainer wrote:I can assure you this is not an isolated incident, happened to me a few years ago dodged them without going down.
There is a lot of hostility towards motorcyclists and many resent being passed by them. Other than the previously mentioned personal incident, I was actually swerved at head on before. I have been crowded while stopped at a signal light with a cage bumper inches from my rear tire. There are other near misses but I will spare you, I try to stay out in the boonies away from "the majority" of self appointed king of the road rage prone maniacs. That way I minimize my hazards to crawling farm machinery and random suicidal wildlife.


ive been in situations like that at red lights where the vehicle behind me was only a matter of inches from me, or wanna talk about scary?, try being on the interstate and having an 18 wheeler inches from behind you, then pass you and turn back in front of you about 3 feet from the front of your bike.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby maintainer » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:06 am

A three to five thousand pound vehicle is every bit as much a weapon as a gun or knife.
The public has no right to assault or threaten anyone with their vehicle.
Furthermore, many of these incidents could be eliminated if people would stop trying to police others.
Let law enforcement officers do the enforcement, they alone have the authority and legal right to.
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Re: Car intentionally takes out bike

Postby CMReynolds1 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:31 am

That should be attempted murder. I hope the rider is healing well and the cage driver is in jail.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:40 am

maintainer wrote:A three to five thousand pound vehicle is every bit as much a weapon as a gun or knife.
The public has no right to assault or threaten anyone with their vehicle.
Furthermore, many of these incidents could be eliminated if people would stop trying to police others.
Let law enforcement officers do the enforcement, they alone have the authority and legal right to.



agreed.

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Re: Car intentionally takes out bike

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:40 am

It only just happened on the weekend. The rider is doing OK, his girlfriend (on the back of the bike) was life flighted from the scene and is still in ICU.

The driver of the car has pending felony charges against him, but they haven't mentioned what the charges will be yet.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby CMReynolds1 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:46 am

Thanks for the update WingAdmin. My prayers go out to the passenger.
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Re: Car intentionally takes out bike

Postby roadwanderer2 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:48 am

WingAdmin wrote:It only just happened on the weekend. The rider is doing OK, his girlfriend (on the back of the bike) was life flighted from the scene and is still in ICU.

The driver of the car has pending felony charges against him, but they haven't mentioned what the charges will be yet.


im glad to hear the rider is doing well and his girlfriend is still alive. the driver of the car should be charged with attempted vehicular homicide, careless driving, reckless endangerment and a few other things, have his license revoked and put behind bars for a few years to give him a chance to think about what he did and the cyclist and rider should sue the hell out of him. maybe then the diver "will care".

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby koyote » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:07 pm

I had a conversation about this on gplus. I'll note a few things:

based on the article, it appears that the driver was doing 20mph below the speed limit.

I pass where it is safe, and ride at a speed to enhance my safety. sometimes that doesn't match the "official rules of the road". I'm not going to attack the riders (especially since the little R bike ALWAYS makes it sound like you are doing 120MPH. rice buzz) for anything EXCEPT possibly should have been over a bit further for passing. Not that that may have made a difference.

The dude swerved over early enough for "targeting". It was pretty evidently intentional. No amount of pissiness at rice bikes, being passed, or being passed on a "double yellow" justifies trying to KILL people.

All the same, I'll bet if that had been an HD ultra, the guy would not have tried that.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby themainviking » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:39 pm

This kinda behavior ain't new. Fifty years ago, an old dude smacked into the back of my motorcycle on the four lane highway going into Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I spent quite a bit of time in the hospital, and my bike went 150 feet down the other side of the highway under another car. Someone took the guys license number and the LEOs were waiting for him when he arrived home. His opening words?? "I suppose this is about that damn motorcycle I hit. Well, I just hate them things." His insurance paid all my medical bills, plus my time off work, and reimbursed me for the bike. He got to spend three years in penitentiary, hopefully with a bunch of bikers. I was really young, and did not know anything about law suits.

That said - this guy needs somebody to encourage him to care - however it is necessary to do. Perhaps some years in prison with some bikers would help. Maybe all his money would do it. Some folks is just genetically flawed and need to be cleansed from the gene pool.

I feel real bad for the kids on that bike.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby dingdong » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:06 am

Another follow up: Cage driver is now saying an insect bite was the reason he swerved. Yeah! That should work for him. I guess he doesn't grasp the fact that he is on video admitting to it.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:16 am

lol, yeah, right, where'd he get bit, on his ass or his brain cause he sure wasn't using it? if he got bit by a wasp, (as he said in the video) he'd be holding, or trying to hold the bite area. i did when i got bit by a wasp, and trust me, i know what a wasp bite feels like especially on the face. he was just trying to make an excuse for what he did.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby made2care » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:24 am

You do realize that as our demographics continue to change, this is only going to get worse.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby roadwanderer2 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:31 am

what do you mean by that, i don't understand.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby dingdong » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:42 am

made2care wrote:You do realize that as our demographics continue to change, this is only going to get worse.



As related to population, age, education, or all the above.....????
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby ankgrays » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:55 am

ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!

Being in law enforcement for 17 years, I can attest to that.

My wife being in the school system for 16 years can attest to that.

No one is raised with ANY personal responsibility these days.

No respect for authority, for parents, or anyone for that matter.

"I want to do what i want to do without any consequences and why should you get to tell me NO" is the attitude of the young AND a lot of the "older-should-know-better".

....AND they get to vote too!! :shock:
I don't tolerate voluntary stupidity very well, and it seems to be rampant now-a-days.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby NVSB4 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:08 am

It turns out that an old buddy of mine is friends with the woman's family, took the 3 kids (teenagers) up to the hospital to visit last night and posted some pictures.
He says that she has already had one surgery and is scheduled for a skin graft surgery today.
The pictures show both arms wrapped from the elbow down, shin of the right leg and left leg to above the knee.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby NVSB4 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:22 am

ankgrays wrote:No one is raised with ANY personal responsibility these days.
No respect for authority, for parents, or anyone for that matter.
"I want to do what i want to do without any consequences and why should you get to tell me NO" is the attitude of the young AND a lot of the "older-should-know-better"


Those involved in this one were not kids. The bikers are probably in their late 30's - early 40's and the driver is probably late 60's - early 70's.

They were on the Today show this morning and the driver tried to now say that he was feeling tingling in his arm. They called him out on it.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby NVSB4 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:06 pm

It's never too late to have a happy childhood!

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby spiralout » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:30 pm

maintainer wrote:A three to five thousand pound vehicle is every bit as much a weapon as a gun or knife.
The public has no right to assault or threaten anyone with their vehicle.
And neither do the police. Badges don't grant extra rights
Furthermore, many of these incidents could be eliminated if people would stop trying to police others.
Let law enforcement officers do the enforcement, they alone have the authority and legal right to.
and don't forget the qualified immunity when they do stupid crap like in this vid. But anyway, you're wrong. There're still lots of States that give citizens the powers of detention and arrest.

There's quite a few vids on Youtube of police doing this same kind of thing to motorcyclists, and not just in high speed chases after suspects. Just because they wanted to, bad mood, etc. and are pretty much immune from prosecution.
Best solution, in my opinion, no one try to assault or murder anyone else with their vehicle.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby redbug » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:27 pm

I have watched this video a dozen times and my first thought was where is he going? If you looked up ahead there are 4 or so cars stacked together and on a hill and no where to go after the pass was made, and now you are trapped between cars and still no where to go. When the pass was attempted why did he stay to the inside of the lane and not move over and get some more room to operate and leave himself a out. The cager set up was perfect like he had practiced this before when he smacked him. I was really looking for a counter steer or a hard brake then counter steer from the rider. I was helping him all that I could. The car driver is toast for sure and now with a invalid driver license from the rider and a double yellow it is going to get ugly. This opened my eyes for sure on lane passing and planning ahead will go into more detail for sure. Now I am not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers here and it is a hard lesson on how fast something can go wrong. Remember you are a motorcycle rider, you are Mr. invisible.This cager saw them for sure with a direct aim.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:06 am

There's one more lesson to be learned from this incident:

The passenger on the bike is still in intensive care in the hospital undergoing skin graft surgeries. She had exposed bone at the scene. No broken bones, just very severe road rash from hitting the road at around 60 mph and sliding on asphalt. She'll likely be disfigured for life.

She was wearing jeans, running shoes, and a t-shirt.

If she had been wearing actual proper protective riding gear, she very likely would have walked away with only a few bruises.




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