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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by themainviking » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:15 am



WingAdmin wrote:Keep a sharp lookout and stay alert, and ride as if you expect the other driver to be texting and inattentive.
I just ride as if all the automobile drivers are trying to kill me.


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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:23 am

ONE TENDS TO THINK IT'S OK WHEN....
..you see kids in the car and a mom is on the phone...
..you see State owned vehicle driver with a phone to his ear, ...
..you see a cop driving with a phone to his ear, ...

How can this growing problem be dealt with?
I've offered suggestions. Years (decade) ago I gave an idea to phone mfg. that the phone & vehicle software work together to shut down the phone when the vehicle is in motion. PROBLEM IS, the public does not like that for various reasons and excuses.
Until it's mandatory, we're going to keep seeing driving death by phones.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:18 am

FM-USA wrote:How can this growing problem be dealt with?
I've offered suggestions. Years (decade) ago I gave an idea to phone mfg. that the phone & vehicle software work together to shut down the phone when the vehicle is in motion. PROBLEM IS, the public does not like that for various reasons and excuses.
Until it's mandatory, we're going to keep seeing driving death by phones.
That's exactly how I set up my daughter's car. As soon as the car is in motion, the phone shuts down, and stays shut down until several minutes after the car stops moving (so no texting at stoplights, etc). I encourage the parent of any teenager to buy this fantastic device - it works amazingly well:

https://www.cellcontrol.com/

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Solina Dave » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:50 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Keep a sharp lookout and stay alert, and ride as if you expect the other driver to be texting and inattentive.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by SlowTyper » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:32 pm

While distracted driving is a growing and increasingly serious problem, I don't think that outlawing certain specific behaviors is the best solution. Legislation cannot predict what technology will come on the scene tomorrow, and thus will always be a 'day late and a dollar short'.

Outlawing certain activities also unfortunately focuses on narrow actions rather than the problem itself. The problem is drivers not paying attention, and exercising poor judgment -- not any particular action in and of itself.

I see ads on TV telling us that we should not take our eyes off the road ahead even for a split second. Really??! So I am not supposed to be glancing at my rear-view mirror periodically? Hmm... I have been told a cop can insist on looking at my cellphone and if a text message is marked 'read', that I can be subjected to a huge fine. Never mind that my passenger may have been the one who read the message, or that the message was automatically played through the radio using text-to-speech. Or that I can composed an email on my laptop, which is not illegal despite being far more dangerous.

Personally, I think the better solution is to multiply the fine for traffic violations when an avoidable distraction was a contributing factor to the violation. That puts the focus on paying attention to one's driving, no matter the circumstances. Currently, people merely focus on how to perform certain activities without getting caught, rather than contemplating the risk involved.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by jandjgoldwing » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:28 am

New cars have built-in distractions. So do many bikes. Manufacturers sell cars by advertising these features. The touch screens take one's eyes off the road, just like phones do. Bluetooth is certainly better, but many times the directories appear on a screen for selection. Nav systems present reroute options on the screen. Thankfully, voice commands are becoming more comprehensive. That can't happen soon enough. It's far safer to push a button on the wheel and state a command than it is to look at a screen. One good enhancement appears to be collision avoidance systems. I can see a time when one of those could save a life, such as when a driver doesn't see a motorcycle, but the car does. The problem there may be reliance upon a system that isn't perfect. Drivers must still check mirrors and look twice. But they won't.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by brettchallenger » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:08 pm

Nav systems present reroute options on the screen. Thankfully, voice commands are becoming more comprehensive
I have my sat nav (in my car) set to Lotte, who speaks Dutch. Can't tell a word she says but she does remind me of 1980s porn videos of my relative youth.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by rcgreg » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:36 pm

Wouldn't that be even more distracting?

Both hands on the wheel !!

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by brettchallenger » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:49 pm

I can assure you sir, my interest was limited to the dialogue and musical score.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by rcgreg » Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:30 pm

A bit repetitive at times - but always enjoyable and entertaining.
well 'Played' indeed. :)

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Mountain rider » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:05 pm

This is a well titled thread, I met one of them tonight. Looser chick on her phone, driving a PT Cruiser, tailgating me, I turned on the signal to move to the turn lane, checked the lane, and there she was right along side me. Needless to say, the bike did a quick death wobble, but I was able to recover. When we stopped at the light, I was really tempted to park in the lane and make my displeasure known, but refrained.

Drive safe everyone, be ware of the distracted looser.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:21 pm

Mountain Rider and others.
We went for an after dinner evening ride. One thing I/we noticed was more honking going on.
Vehicles in the turn lanes that get the green arrow but don't move. They sit there until the vehicle behind honks.
Asleep? Daydreaming? Texting?
I notice most are busy yak'n on their phones and not watching for the changing light. :roll:
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by offcenter » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:13 pm

FM-USA wrote:Mountain Rider and others.
We went for an after dinner evening ride. One thing I/we noticed was more honking going on.
Vehicles in the turn lanes that get the green arrow but don't move. They sit there until the vehicle behind honks.
Asleep? Daydreaming? Texting?
I notice most are busy yak'n on their phones and not watching for the changing light. :roll:
I see that all the time here. The light changes and the car in front just sits there
until someone lays on the horn.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by jandjgoldwing » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:49 pm

rcgreg wrote:A bit repetitive at times - but always enjoyable and entertaining.
well 'Played' indeed. :)
Florida Governor Rick Scott signed amended "stand your ground" legislation on Friday, June 11, 2017, making it easier for defendants in the state to successfully claim they were protecting themselves when they commit violence. I predict that one of the unforeseen consequences of this amendment will be road rage. A motor vehicle can be a deadly weapon, and defending oneself could fall under this law. Betcha the Governor and the NRA didn't think about this one.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by rcgreg » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:20 pm

that would be an interesting case indeed. Of course I can't recall that ever happening where such a law has been long standing.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:19 pm

jandjgoldwing wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:49 pm
rcgreg wrote:A bit repetitive at times - but always enjoyable and entertaining.
well 'Played' indeed. :)
Florida Governor Rick Scott signed amended "stand your ground" legislation on Friday, June 11, 2017, making it easier for defendants in the state to successfully claim they were protecting themselves when they commit violence. I predict that one of the unforeseen consequences of this amendment will be road rage. A motor vehicle can be a deadly weapon, and defending oneself could fall under this law. Betcha the Governor and the NRA didn't think about this one.
It's interesting that every time a "stand your ground" law is being considered, this same argument comes out, that it will cause road rage or arguments to escalate into gunplay. And yet this is almost never heard of - it's statistically zero. Similar to all the "sky is falling" arguments made when concealed carry legislation is introduced - and yet never come to fruition once the law is in place.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by rcgreg » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:26 pm

Apparently so, Its the same as folks being paranoid about someone owning a gun. Yet they ignore the FBI statistics that 640 Thousand Americans used their personal firearm to thwart a crime every year on average. Anyway -happy riding and keep the rubber on the road.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by jandjgoldwing » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:01 pm

My Point is, do I have a defense if someone climbs up on my ass at high speed, trying to force me out of my lane? Can I chase him down and knock his teeth out? Is stand your ground only guns? Or is is it self defense?

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Fiberthree » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:27 am

jandjgoldwing wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:01 pm
... Can I chase him down and knock his teeth out? Is stand your ground only guns? Or is is it self defense?
Even if they did force you out of the lane, if you chase him down to "return" the favor, it's no longer self defense.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:07 pm

jandjgoldwing wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:01 pm
My Point is, do I have a defense if someone climbs up on my ass at high speed, trying to force me out of my lane? Can I chase him down and knock his teeth out? Is stand your ground only guns? Or is is it self defense?
Too bad it's not possible, those idiots might have second thoughts AT the time of the infraction.
"IMMINENT DANGER", IT IS coming at you, then you decide how to react.
YUP, but a split second left to "Decide and Do" the CORRECT move. Not many people have that in them. :shock:

Texas... Situation where 3 people don't know one another. An unknown 3rd party and protect the 1st party from the 2nd party.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by alwims » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:56 am

Fiberthree wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:27 am
jandjgoldwing wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:01 pm
... Can I chase him down and knock his teeth out? Is stand your ground only guns? Or is is it self defense?
Even if they did force you out of the lane, if you chase him down to "return" the favor, it's no longer self defense.


More people need to understand this before they go spouting off about something they don't understand!!!!!!

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Solina Dave » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:20 am

This is probably the saddest posting that I'll ever make.
About a week ago I was called by someone very close to me, and informed that there had been a motorcycle accident on highway 507, a very well known windy road that's about 35 kms. long. It runs north from highway 36, about half way between Bobcaygeon and Buckhorn, to a small town by the name of Gooderham, in south central Ontario. It's quite well known by bikers that come from all over Ontario, and also from points deep into the U.S. I've ridden this road many times through the years, and frankly could never see the attraction for sport bikes. I always found it rough, and with potholes, but whatever. It was a good shortcut, for me, to Bancroft.
My nephew, who I know to be a very sensible rider, was part of an 11 bike group. He told me that two of the bikers in the group had been showing off, and acting like idiots ever since they met that morning. An accident, looking for a place to happen? His riding day was interupted by total mayhem. He told me that at one point, as he was riding through that mayhem, something bounced off his shoulder. He said that everything was happening so fast that he didn't know if it was a motorcycle part, or a body part. At any rate he ended up performing CPR on one rider that didn't make it. How badly does that suck?
This is a news report on the accident that left 3 dead, and others injuries. A group of 11 crotch rockets northbound, two of which hit a cruising bike southbound head-on with two aboard, one of whom died. And then another rider collided with a car that had stopped, and another rider went into the ditch trying to avoid the **** storm!!
This is a huge reason that I ride solo almost always. Occasionally, but rarely, with one, or at the most two other bikes. I find that with large groups, there's always someone who has to show-off, and say look at me everybody. But maybe that's just me. Just thinking about it, almost makes me cry!

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:21 am

I read the article and the saddest piece is one I constantly read.
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"(insert police name here) say they have been monitoring the situation for years. “The issue of motorcycle riders speeding on (insert road name here) has been identified for several years. This stretch of roadway has had an ongoing focus from all officers working in that area.”
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Solina Dave » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:59 pm

"The idiots are out there" Ain't that the truth? This time I'm the idiot!!!
I was on the last 50 km. leg of a 600+ km. all day ride today. I'm kind of tired, cruising at 80 kph., not paying enough attention, westbound with a great big extremely bright sun shining right in my face, and visibility isn't good. I'm wearing my dark sunglasses, and a dark face shield, but it's still nasty.
The first indication that I had, that there was a stop sign, was when I passed it. I never even slowed down. It's a good job that I was the only one in the intersection. It would have been ugly! Traffic was light, and for what it's worth, it was a 4 way stop. It sounds a bit like I'm busy making excuses. But there was no excuse. I dodged a bullet that time. I might not be so lucky if it ever happens again.
I scanned a copy of the intersection, with my stop sign, off Google Maps. That's why the quality sucks.
Anyway that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. A lesson learned?

Signed...........The idiot!!!.....PS...now I have to do my laundry!


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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by brettchallenger » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:59 am

it was a 4 way stop.
I always found 4 way stops crazy. In most parts of the world, such a traffic junction would consist of the major road having priority with the minor road having to give way to traffic. But more likely it would be a roundabout, these keep the traffic flowing, give a nice break to the rider from driving in a straight line, and are almost impossible to miss.


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