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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by wilmo » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:22 am



There have been a lot of roundabouts popping up here lately. Problem is, most people don't know how to use them. Usually, they will come to a complete stop before entering it even if it's not being used. Then they signal which way they are going, and, yes, often they will turn left, treating it like a regular intersection. Or they just shoot through not yielding to traffic already in the circle. Mostly this is because there is no education given to drivers until the next time they renew. And then, it's just pay the money, not requiring drivers to learn about new laws or techniques used in road engineering. So here, roundabouts are notorious things dimly viewed. Education goes a long way but the state, or country, isn't concerned with educating the drivers, collect the fees. Leaves us with the responsibility to learn new things on our own, which I have done. Wow, this sounds like we're back to being self reliant rather than rely on the government for everything, what a concept!



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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Mag » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:28 am

You called that one Wilmo.....we have a couple here too that are recently installed. There is one off-ramp off and there is a roundy at the bottom, and then 2 more to get to a Walmart.....I am getting better at negotiating through, and actually can see the benefit of "moving traffic", though at times I have to sit at the stop waiting because they are so crowded.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Solina Dave » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:46 am

brettchallenger wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:59 am
it was a 4 way stop.
I always found 4 way stops crazy. In most parts of the world, such a traffic junction would consist of the major road having priority with the minor road having to give way to traffic. But more likely it would be a roundabout, these keep the traffic flowing, give a nice break to the rider from driving in a straight line, and are almost impossible to miss.
I've got no problem with roundabouts Brett. I think they're a good idea, and probably would have come in handy on my latest excursion. I find that they can be unpredictable, when you havee 99% of regular users of a specific roundabout, taking it for granted as part of their daily routine, being complicated by one or two first time users.
They are, like you say, a nice break in the straight line monotany, and probably safer in that regard. But it would take forever to install them at every intersection.
And as far as driver training Wilmo, maybe we could pick up some tips from the Chinese. :roll:


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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:49 pm

We have new circles around us now, like you said they install and no INFO as how to use it except one sign posted before entering, "YIELD to LEFT".

NOT QUITE LIKE THE CIRCLE BELOW but "out in the boonies" here it sometimes looks close to that.
It only takes 1 driver to "sit & wait" for their USUAL 1/4 mile clearance before entering. I've got fed up a couple times now and gone around that VERY timid driver.


Then there's those who don't know how to use it and when I've going through, driver on my right JUST enters with the '4 way stop' assumption they have the "right of way". Makes me wonder if these circles should be going Clock-Wise then the 'right of way' yield to your right stays consistent. That's just a thought without thinking (i'm tired).

Had a funeral procession go through one circle, took 3 squads to control it whereas the 'cross intersection' took only one squad.

Are circle interchanges progress? With no drivers being informed, NO.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:12 pm

This isn't 'as per title' but sorta fits.

Today, late afternoon, in local rush-hour traffic it's drizzling so roads are wet but not running water wet.
3 lanes going in one direction and I'm in the far right lane. IF anything happens I prefer tumbling on grass than concrete. So we're all running around 40 mph and at that speed there's very little wet tire woosh sound.
In front of me, suddenly all 3 lanes cars start wildly jockeying right and left and quickly coming to a stop so I instantly duck to the far right on my lane. All stopped without incident.

This has happened a few times before but I heard tires screeching to a stop and that gave me at least 1 extra second warning. This time there wasn't a sound because everyone had ABS. It felt like an old time silent movie. WEIRD! :shock:
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by brettchallenger » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:00 am

But it would take forever to install them at every intersection.
Oh I agree with you entirely Dave. We now have "mini-roundabouts" all over the place which serve no useful function and generally people do not know how to use them. The Highway Code states that they should be treated like normal full size roundabouts, ie you should give way to traffic already on it, but people don't - they are dreadful.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by dingdong » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:43 am

I'm picturing some timid little old lady getting in the left lane and driving "roundabout" for eternity. lol
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:38 am

dingdong wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:43 am
I'm picturing some timid little old lady getting in the left lane and driving "roundabout" for eternity. lol
I've seen that a few times now.
Messed up all incoming lanes.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Mag » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:42 am

FM-USA wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:38 am
dingdong wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:43 am
I'm picturing some timid little old lady getting in the left lane and driving "roundabout" for eternity. lol
I've seen that a few times now.
Messed up all incoming lanes.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Solina Dave » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:50 am

dingdong wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:43 am
I'm picturing some timid little old lady getting in the left lane and driving "roundabout" for eternity. lol
Funny you should say that Tom. Back in 1965 I traveled to England with my parents. I was 18. My uncle loaned us his Jaguar for a week, to tour around, and see the sights. That was a great time.
My dad did all the driving, and not being familiar, at the time, with roundabouts, got into one and started going around and around, and around. After three times around I said, "Dad, what are you doing?" He said, "I'm getting wound up!!" :lol:

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:53 am

MAG . . . Touché

DAVE: My dad did something similar.
On the 7th LEFT TURN ONLY, I had to ask a similar thing. Dad said he's just following the road signs.
Shrewd he was, made me aware of street signs ever since. ;)
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:07 pm

I don't like round-abouts....

crazy idiots will run right over you...

more times than not...
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by seelyark1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:17 pm

Want fun? Try those stupid roundabouts with a 40 foot fifth wheel trailer with a 16 foot sailboat behind it. Never enough room to get into it unless you just go! :? If they try to put one in on my routes, it may get torn up overnight. :o Only idiots would install them. ;) Think I like them ? :roll: Just made the trip from Washington State to Florida and saw more of them than I cared to. What a waste of state funds to install them. :(
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:17 am

ROUND-A-BOUTS. .. ... a house movers nightmare! :evil:

I honestly think they didn't think it through. ;)
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:40 pm

seelyark1 wrote:
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Want fun? Try those stupid roundabouts with a 40 foot fifth wheel trailer with a 16 foot sailboat behind it. Never enough room to get into it unless you just go! :? If they try to put one in on my routes, it may get torn up overnight. :o Only idiots would install them. ;) Think I like them ? :roll: Just made the trip from Washington State to Florida and saw more of them than I cared to. What a waste of state funds to install them. :(
I love them. In England where people actually know how to drive through them properly, they make driving so efficient. You could spend 15 minutes going through town sitting a stoplights for 12 of those 15 minutes (or in stopped traffic waiting to inch through the traffic lights) or you could speed through the same distance in maybe 2-3 minutes, never stopping once. They don't make sense here because the untrained drivers don't know how to drive on them, and that's not going to change.

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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Rayvn » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:11 am

Come on over to Woodland Wa. and try to get through the round a bouts here when the factory idiots are getting out and they just keep on going through while you sit there by the "Yield" sign. for the next 20 minutes. grrrrrrrr The North end of Woodland has three of them in a row and two of them have exits and entrances onto the free way. wanna talk about a cluster muck....... I hate round a bouts where ever they are and it seems they are being installed all over the state, even where they are not needed. Every stinkin little burg is installing round a bouts. If it was a 4 way stop then at least one stops, one goes, one stops, one goes. seems fair to me. Not so with round a bouts.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by MiWinger51 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:27 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:40 pm

I love them. In England where people actually know how to drive through them properly, they make driving so efficient. You could spend 15 minutes going through town sitting a stoplights for 12 of those 15 minutes (or in stopped traffic waiting to inch through the traffic lights) or you could speed through the same distance in maybe 2-3 minutes, never stopping once. They don't make sense here because the untrained drivers don't know how to drive on them, and that's not going to change.
I'm with you on this WingAdmin. When everyone knows how to use them they are very efficient. The problem I see is that most people don't understand the principles involved in efficient use. Learning how to use them is not hard but it does take s bit of perseverance.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by FM-USA » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:55 pm

Round-a-bouts in America CAN BE a good update to our ever growing traffic but there's a 2fold problem.

ROAD RAGE.
Get that understood why it happens...nuff said. Yes, we all have stories, not now...too many. But ultimately, the blame lays squarely on our judges shoulders.

EDUCATION.
For some really odd reason our States have elected to change/add road configurations and 'rules of the road' without informing the public. They used to inform all drivers, with minimal cost postcards, but increasingly higher costs stopped that.
Without information of these changes, just how can a mass of drivers know what to expect from other drivers?
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Solina Dave » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:18 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
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untrained drivers don't know how to drive
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Post by brettchallenger » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:28 pm

Come on over to Woodland Wa. and try to get through the round a bouts here when the factory idiots are getting out and they just keep on going through while you sit there by the "Yield" sign. for the next 20 minutes. grrrrrrrr The North end of Woodland has three of them in a row and two of them have exits and entrances onto the free way. wanna talk about a cluster muck....
In the UK, busy roundabouts have traffic lights. These are often part-time and only operate when the traffic volumes are high, typically as above.

But the best thing about roundabouts is that you get to really test out your cornering, and you can go round and round in circles until you get really confident as to how far your motorcycle will crank over.
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Re: The idiots are out there

Post by Rayvn » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:31 pm

brettchallenger wrote:
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But the best thing about roundabouts is that you get to really test out your cornering, and you can go round and round in circles until you get really confident as to how far your motorcycle will crank over.
Hahahahahaha, ;) Right on !
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Post by Fiberthree » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:38 pm

I just returned from a four week stay in England. I do enjoy those round abouts. My son-in-law is a driving instructor there and they do teach you how to navigate them. You don't need a higher than average I.Q. to figure out how to use them. It all falls under the common sense umbrella. Sadly, a lot of drivers don't have that or common courtesy. Here in the states we would have to adopt a new phrase... Left-of-Way!
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Post by harvey01 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:46 pm

I remember when the wife and I were in the UK on rented motorcycles. The first roundabout was intimidating but of course driving on the wrong side of the road only added to the problem. But I got thru that one and several more before we arrived on their big highway outside London. When we finally got to the motel, I parked the bikes for a couple days and we learned to navigate the subway to get downtown to sightsee.

Now they are appearing in VA and are easy to negotiate. We actually have a large shopping center nearby with 4 of them.

I agree with WingAdmin that they are easy and do improve the flow of traffic.
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Post by brettchallenger » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:51 am

on their big highway outside London
That would be the M25 motorway which encircles London. When it was built in the 1980s, a popular night time pursuit for the crotch rocket boys was to race each other around its 117 mile course. Unfortunately, it is just to jammed with traffic to do that now.


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