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Winter Storage

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:29 pm
by hap2
For whatever reason, I can't get the 1500 up on it's center-stand for winter storage in my unheated garage with a concrete floor. It the past years, it had not made any negative difference (that I could tell) just heaving the tires directly on the concrete, but just thot I'd check with you guys. What do you use, if anything?

Thanx

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:01 pm
by WingAdmin
Are you using this technique? Also, make sure you pump up your rear suspension - if the air has leaked out and it is sagging, that means you have to lift it that much more.




Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:14 pm
by hap2
I've never done that & get real nervous even trying it, so I wud say that's out.

I think I'll just cut up some carpet to put the tires on & hope it doesn't slip .

Thanx for the suggestion anyway, but unless someone is actually willing to physically b with me to teach me, I ain't gonna bother losing the bike & / or hurting myself trying it.

Call me whatever u want, but that's just the way it is.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:47 pm
by crock4
WingAdmin wrote:Are you using this technique? Also, make sure you pump up your rear suspension - if the air has leaked out and it is sagging, that means you have to lift it that much more.



WingAdmin you are right on the mark. I was having difficulty getting my 1800 up all of a sudden. I had lowered the rear riding solo. Once I pumped it back up no more problem. One of those Duh moments. :lol: :oops:

Bob

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:13 pm
by hap2
Ok..I'll giver a whirl. What's the max air pressure it goes up to? (I hava 1500SE)

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:34 pm
by WingAdmin
hap2 wrote:Ok..I'll giver a whirl. What's the max air pressure it goes up to? (I hava 1500SE)
Maximum pressure is 57 psi. It won't allow you to increase beyond that amount.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:43 am
by hap2
OK, but exactly HOW would that make it easier to put on the center-stand?

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:11 am
by manutd
If you are going to leave it on the tires, over inflate them. I have been told it helps to prevent flat spots.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:14 am
by Dusty Boots
hap2 wrote:OK, but exactly HOW would that make it easier to put on the center-stand?
It raises the bike's centre of gravity up, making it easier to 'pop' up.
If you are uncomfortable trying that, then run the rear tire up on a piece of 3/4" plywood and then try it.
Once you master the technique, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about beforehand! ;)

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:33 am
by dtrider
Dusty Boots wrote: Once you master the technique, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about beforehand! ;)
Indeed. The 'Wing is the first bike that I've had that has a center stand. When I first got it I had a devil of a time getting it up on the stand and I thought there was no way I would be able to do it on my own. After reading some comments on the forum and watching a couple videos I figured out what my problem was and now it's a piece of cake.

I think one of the most important things is to make sure the bike is upright and centered on BOTH legs of the center stand. My problem was that I was trying to raise it up while it was still leaning to the side. Having it up on both legs distributes the weight better and you get better leverage.

One other thing that I've found helps a bit is to make sure the bike is in neutral first or at least pull in the clutch. That way I'm not fighting the engine for that little bit of moving backwards before the rear wheel lifts up.

/dwight

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:34 am
by hap2
Thanx for all the helpful suggestions & info. I guess I'm abit afraid of physically leaning it over to far to the right trying to put it on the centerstand & having it fall. I'll just need to practice with a friend present just in case. I will try max-ing the air in the rear shocks & over inflating the tires, altho I never did that before & never got flat spots. I will also try the plywood also.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:50 am
by Dusty Boots
There are 2 important things to remember in Scott's video!

1) make sure both legs are touching the floor/ground when you lift the bike up off the sidestand!
2) when you go to step up on the centre stand, put all your weight on the centre stand while giving a gentle tug up on the passenger grab handle!!!


The only time I use the side stand is when I am just parking the bike temporarily!

When parking the bike overnight (or for storage) I always use the centre stand, even if my camper is attached to the bike's hitch!




The only exception is when I am parking on a gravel/dirt/grassy surface at which time I'll place a round metal junction box cover (attached to one of those casino wrist bands) under it and attach the other end to my clutch lever.







Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:04 am
by hap2
I've had 3 Wings. The last 2 (both 1500's) I have stored always on the sidestand for the winter in an unheated garage with a cement floor. I haven't even put anything under the tires. No problem at all. I just make sure the tank is full with gas stabilizer & I take the battery out. Oh yes, I've also covered it with 2 bedsheets (breathable) & plug the exhaust pipes to prevent any mice or whatever getting in (altho I have never seen one mouse in the garage).

I check the tires (& everything) in the spring with no change & it starts right up! (Am I just "lucky" [whatever that is], or what?)

But IF I can do more, I want to.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:03 pm
by Dusty Boots
Storing on it's side stand can lead to a pretty good puff of smoke out of the exhaust on start up at times. Storing it on the centrestand eliminates that

I always change the oil/oil filter, add some Seafoam and top up with fuel before I put mine away for the season. Once stored, I never start it up until it's time to take it out of storage and start riding again.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:30 pm
by WingAdmin
hap2 wrote:OK, but exactly HOW would that make it easier to put on the center-stand?
If you look at the geometry of the center stand, when it actually contacts the ground, it is fairly far down in its arc, and is moving mostly to the front. This, along with the lever you're standing on, gives it tremendous leverage in lifting the bike up. You press down on the center stand lever, which in effect rotates the center stand forward, and in the process lifts the bike up only a few inches before it passes by the center and then back down a slight bit, which is what keeps it from rolling off.

If your bike is lower to the ground (low tires, low rear suspension), the center stand is much farther away from its lowest point - which means you are putting a lot more effort into actually lifting the weight of the bike, without the significant mechanical advantage that the leverage affords you when the center stand is more extended.

So basically, the higher the bike is when the feet on the center stand contact the ground, the less effort you're going to expend in pushing the bike the rest of the way up.

As mentioned, make sure BOTH feet of the center stand are firmly on the ground before you do this lift. For the first couple of times, it might help to have a friend on the other side of the bike to give you assistance if you think the bike is going to fall away from you (as long as both center stand feet are on the ground, it won't). Also, keep the side stand down on your side, in case you don't do it right and have to let it back down.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:46 am
by Pam
I uses to ride a first gen Yamaha Venture. For the life of me the only way I could get that thing on the center stand was to run the back tire up on a 2X4. On my 1800 GW I leave the side stand down and then step on the center stand while holding the left handle bar grip and the passenger grab handle. Then slowly lean the bike away from me until I feel the second leg of the center stand touch the cement. Then I lean it a little further until both legs of the center stand are in firm contact with the floor. Then I stand on the center stand and pull up on the grab handle and it pops right up.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:47 am
by WingAdmin
Pam wrote:I uses to ride a first gen Yamaha Venture. For the life of me the only way I could get that thing on the center stand was to run the back tire up on a 2X4. On my 1800 GW I leave the side stand down and then step on the center stand while holding the left handle bar grip and the passenger grab handle. Then slowly lean the bike away from me until I feel the second leg of the center stand touch the cement. Then I lean it a little further until both legs of the center stand are in firm contact with the floor. Then I stand on the center stand and pull up on the grab handle and it pops right up.
That's it, that's the procedure. If you need a little more help, pull backward on the left handlebar at the same time with your left hand.

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:51 pm
by hap2
If I put a big piece of small shag carpet down to put the bike on, will the bike or the carpet slip?

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:22 am
by Pam
I don't think the carpet will slide because the weight of the bike is on it, (three points of contact, both tires plus the side stand) I think I would push/roll the back tire up on a 2X6length ways, that gets the bike that much higher and put it up on the center stand. That way the entire weight of the bike is supported by the frame and not the suspension

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:30 am
by hap2
Ok, I'll try a 2 X 6

Thanx

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:03 pm
by brettchallenger
The only exception is when I am parking on a gravel/dirt/grassy surface at which time I'll place a round metal junction box cover (attached to one of those casino wrist bands) under it and attach the other end to my clutch lever.

Why do you attach the junction box cover to the clutch cable via the elasticated band?

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:13 pm
by WingAdmin
brettchallenger wrote:
The only exception is when I am parking on a gravel/dirt/grassy surface at which time I'll place a round metal junction box cover (attached to one of those casino wrist bands) under it and attach the other end to my clutch lever.

Why do you attach the junction box cover to the clutch cable via the elasticated band?
It reminds you that it's there, so you don't forget and accidentally ride away without it!

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:40 pm
by hap2
Pam: Once I back the bike up onto the 2 X 6 (or even a 4 X 6 or two 2X 6's), do I just move the centerstand down using my left foot or how?

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:56 pm
by wingman12
4X6 will make it to high, 2X4 works best, put your side stand down, turn off ignition, dismount, insure front tire is straight forward, push your bike straight up, push down on the center stand until you can feel it resting on both legs, push down on the center stand and at the same time pull up and back on the passenger handle. your bike is now on the center stand. Remove the 2X4 from under the rear tire and store for next time. :D :D

Re: Winter Storage

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:32 pm
by brettchallenger
It reminds you that it's there, so you don't forget and accidentally ride away without it!
Yep, stupid question! Though not as stupid as trying to show off to some drop dead gorgeous German girls on a camp site in France once. I took off like a bat out of Hell but neglected to first remove the security chain I had put through my front wheel. Painful and not cool. They were out of my league anyway.