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Postby Rednaxs60 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:31 pm



Been reading this forum since I bought my 1885 GL1200 LE a few weeks back. Have owned a 2008 GL1800 since October last year, but have decided for a myriad of reasons to sell it and ride this 1985. There is a difference between the two, but I enjoy riding, I'm not in love with the bike per-say. I'm also retired so I need a project every now and then, and this is going to fill that gap. I ride all year round since I live in Victoria, BC.

I knew I'd have maintenance to do when I started looking for an older bike. Everything works on this bike, so what is needed is to update the maintenance. This site has provided me with great maintenance and update ideas, as well as where to look for parts. Since I bought it I have updated the suspension with Race Tech Springs and Gold Valves in the front and Progressive 412 shocks in the rear, new battery, air filter, changed to AmsOil synthetic, new rear rotor and pads. Intend to change gas filter, look into updating the coils to 1500s, replacing front rotors and pads, installing SS clutch and brake lines, replacing clutch and brake fluids, replacing starter, doing an exhaust upgrade and having the seat adjusted specifically for me at Rich's Custom Seats in Kingston Washington. Intend this to keep me busy for a few riding seasons.

Been reading up on the Poorboy alternator conversion. I like the concept and may look at this down the road. The '85 LE came with a 408 Watt "alternator" that should last for a while. Another project will be to install a second fuse panel to get rid of the wiring issues that often come from add-ons.

I'm looking forward to doing an advanced riding course with it as well. Did the Total Control Course in San Francisco on the 1800 as well as two advanced courses here in Victoria and Richmond. Made a huge difference in my riding and took the "weight" issue out of the equation.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this forum as it assisted me in making the decision to go to the older bike. I look forward to perusing the many articles about the GL1200, and know that these will assist me in going forward with this bike.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby wingman12 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:52 pm

Welcome Redrex to this wonderful site. It looks from your posting that you pretty well have things under control as for as updating your new to you 1985 1200. I did not see however any mention of changing the timing belts which is a must unless you are able to verify they have already been changed recently. Again welcome from the land of Lincoln. :D :D

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Postby Rednaxs60 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:07 pm

Thanks for the welcome. Got the original owner's manual with the bike and apparently the timing belts were changed March 2011. Having stated that it is on my list to do especially if I get everything on my to do list done and I want to tackle the "Poorboy" mod. The engine only has 114K Km on it and doesn't use oil, so I'm expecting a lot of riding to be done on this bike. Going to do a compression check in the future as well.

As an aside, I went to my local grocery store with it and an older woman came over and commented favourably on it. Have been to the same store with the '08 and never had anyone come over and comment on it.

This forum provided a lot of information, as did Steve Saunders regarding the GL1200 that influenced my decision to buy this bike. Like the fact it has fuel injection and is eligible for collector plates here in BC. Being 200 pounds less than the 1800 is an added bonus.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby wingman12 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:34 am

I have seen numerous threads concerning the same compliments to the older GW. I remember a recent thread from one of the better experts on this site mentioning 5 years or 50,000 miles between timing belt changes on the older GW. I have a 99 GWse and the manual says 90,000 miles and no years? You are probably going to be removing the radiator and changing the hoses, the thermostat, water pump while there. Your new to you is only 30 years old, but before the invention of ethanol into our fuel. Many things to consider before spring. Please keep us posted on your progress and we love pictures. :D :D

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Postby Rednaxs60 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:37 am

Thanks Wingman for the welcome. Lots to consider. Changed the air filter on the 1800 and it took 3-4 hours, on the 1200 20 minutes ( first time). However, to do the rear rotor and pads on the 1200 took 3 to 6 hours where the 1800 rear brake pads took all of 15 minutes. Go figure.

Still riding so have to do work around the good days. Starter giving me issues so it is next.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby minimac » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:18 am

Welcome here! As crazy as it sounds, I've been thinking of going to an older wing from my 1500. Have you found a lot of difference in riding the 1200 from the 1800? I'm looking forward to hearing about how you deal with some of the issues on the older bike.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby Rednaxs60 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:26 pm

Minimac - My reasons for going to an older GW are many. I think when a person embarks on going retro, there are many things to consider, primarily that you will need to do a comprehensive maintenance program. I say this because everyone has a different opinion on how to maintain what they own. I'm also aware that the bike is 30 years old.

I knew going in that an older bike could not compare to the 1800. I had updated the 1800 suspension with a complete Traxion (full monty) upgrade front and rear, had the seat customized to fit me, and have put some 35K kms on it since last October. Drove it the other day to my friends garage for storage and there is a noticeable difference between the two bikes. Having said this, I'm certain that once the seat on the 1200 is customized to suit, combined with the suspension upgrade that I have had done (considerable difference just having the suspension renewed), the 1200 is going to be different and significantly better than when I bought it. Add the other maintenance issues that I want to address and the 1200 can only get better.

I had a list of criteria when I was looking for an older bike such as fuel injection, and similar on board storage to the 1800. I was not willing to buy an older bike and start doing add-ons, but I was willing to do the maintenance necessary to make the new bike safe and enjoyable to ride. This also includes replacing items as needed, and I have started the replacement program such as rear brake rotor and pads, and a new battery.

I'm thinking my next project is new clutch lines and replacing the clutch fluid as it is a bit annoying at this time.

I've noticed a "clunking" sound when starting off and have gone through this forum to look for possible solution(s). Seems a remove, clean-up, lube and replace of the drive train is probably in order. What I have read makes sense so it is on the list.

Saw a YouTube about this very same bike from the UK and the reviewer stated that for the cost, and what the bike had to offer, it was a very good purchase. I also think there are many older gems out there if you can find them especially in the US, fewer here in Canada.

Having said all this, I expect that the 1200 is going to be an excellent bike and will improve with each bit of maintenance done. Don't know if this answers your query, but I will keep posting and do pictures (I'm terrible when it comes to photo documentation).

Cheers
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Re: New to Forum

Postby Solina Dave » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:00 pm

Welcome Red,

I've got a '78 GL1000 and I use these Gates timing belts. I don't know for sure if your bike takes the same belts, but it might be worth checking out. I thought that this was a pretty good deal. Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/Gates-T274-Timing ... ingdocs-20

Good luck...................Dave

PS......I see that you're out in B.C. so here's the link to Amazon.ca. Not nearly as good a deal but you can decide. Those Americans get all the good stuff!! http://www.amazon.ca/Gates-T274-Timing- ... ingdocs-20
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Re: New to Forum

Postby Rednaxs60 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:35 pm

Have been doing a lot of reading and deciding what to do. Appreciate all comments and recommendations.

Checked out the Gates T-274 timing belts and they do not fit the GL1200, will look for another source.

Have ordered (and received) clutch and rear brake master cylinder rebuild kits. Have ordered new front rotors, front wheel bearings, bleed kit so I can bleed the brake and clutch systems by myself - the one I'm getting is from Kapscomoto in Mississauga just outside Toronto (2 In 1 Brake Bleeder & Vacuum Pump Gauge Test Tuner Kit - $38.00 plus tax plus shipping).

I mentioned I installed Progressive 412 shocks on the rear. When working on the rear they come off very easy when on the softest setting. The only downside to these if there is one is that when on the centre stand, the rear wheel is still on the ground. Have to use a 1 inch board under the stand to get the rear wheel off the ground.

Still liking the 1200. It's a work in progress but when done will be a good touring bike. I was wondering how it would do going up a sustained incline so I went for a ride over the Malahat with my son-in-law (he rides a 2014 Motto Guzzi California touring) and never had to downshift, was suitably impressed.

All for now. Cheers
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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:30 am

you can also find your belts here at......... http://www.rockauto.com/ they are Gates belts and cost under 10 dollars US plus shipping. when you go onto their site, go to where it shows "motorcycles" up on the top of the page, click on it, let the drop down screen come up, scroll down to "Honda", click on it, another drop down window will appear showing years, scroll down to your bike's specifics, it will open another drag down to where it says "engine", once you open that up, it will show "timing belts" click on that and it will show you 3 or 4 different belts with their prices.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:21 am

Rednaxs60 wrote:Have been doing a lot of reading and deciding what to do. Appreciate all comments and recommendations.

Checked out the Gates T-274 timing belts and they do not fit the GL1200, will look for another source.


The GL1200 uses Gates T070 belts. The Gates T274 belts are for the GL1000 and GL1100. You should have a look through the Aftermarket Cross-Reference List for other similar part numbers.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:29 am

wingadmin is correct. the T070 is the correct belt to use.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby Rednaxs60 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:27 pm

Thanks for the information. Found the Gates T070 belt on Amazon.ca for $18.64. Will probably pay taxes as well but there is free shipping for two. There is also Genuine Honda 08734-0001 Moly Grease for $53.30; however, I'm inclined to look at a different source because of the price. I know from my snowmobiling days that there should be acceptable alternatives that are less expensive and will do the same duty.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby wingman12 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:57 pm

Moly 60 is only about $11.00 a tube. $53.00 is high way robbery. :x :x

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:57 am

yes, that's a lot of money for a little tube of molly paste. i got one from a Honda dealer and it was only $19.95 plus tax. here, take a look at this before you go spending that much money for it, btw, honda has upgraded their molly paste from molly 60 to molly 77, and for this price, you might as well get 2 of them so you have one saved for when you remove your rear wheel to re-service it again.........http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Pro-Hon ... Ir&vxp=mtr

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Re: New to Forum

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:25 am

I don't know where you were looking to get that price, but Amazon has the Honda Moly grease for $20:

http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Honda-087 ... ingdocs-20

If you have Prime membership, you get free shipping, and still no tax to most states. Or buy something else to bump the total up above $25 and get free shipping that way.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby Rednaxs60 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:42 am

Here in Canada we pay a premium for whatever is out there. I used Amazon.ca for my research. Using the .com gives me the US site. Got you coming or going. Cheers
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Re: New to Forum

Postby wingman12 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:13 pm

WingAdmin wrote:I don't know where you were looking to get that price, but Amazon has the Honda Moly grease for $20:

http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Honda-087 ... ingdocs-20

If you have Prime membership, you get free shipping, and still no tax to most states. Or buy something else to bump the total up above $25 and get free shipping that way.

My Honda dealer in Lake Villa, Il currently has Moly 60 paste on the shelf for $10.39 a tube plus 7% sales tax, out the door $11.12. I guess I better buy several and have a sale :D :D

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:22 pm

for THAT price, i would by a CASE of it and keep it FOREVER lol. you'd have a "lifetime" supply. that wouldn't be Nielsen enterprises by any chance would it? lol, never mind, i found it. ;) :)

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Postby Rednaxs60 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:50 pm

Found some of the "70" at my local shop. $23.00 for 100 ml. Support my local shop. Should last a while.
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Postby Rednaxs60 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:34 pm

Correction to my last post - bought Moly 77 and it is called "grease". Interesting that it is made/marketed by PolySi Technologies, 5108 Rex McLeod Drive, Sanford, NC 27330. It is what the dealer is calling Moly 60.

Also went looking for "silicate free" antifreeze at my local Canadian Tire and auto parts stores. Found some that specified for bikes that did not label it as silicate free. So I broke down and bought the Honda antifreeze. It was $23.00, not much more than other types.

Waiting for other parts and pieces, then to make a schedule and get the work done. Most of what I am doing is maintenance. Brakes (rotors and pads), bleeding and replacing fluids, rebuilding master cylinders, flushing cooling system, replacing starter and timing belts on a 30 year old bike is due diligence.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:48 pm

Rednaxs60 wrote:Correction to my last post - bought Moly 77 and it is called "grease". Interesting that it is made/marketed by PolySi Technologies, 5108 Rex McLeod Drive, Sanford, NC 27330. It is what the dealer is calling Moly 60.

Also went looking for "silicate free" antifreeze at my local Canadian Tire and auto parts stores. Found some that specified for bikes that did not label it as silicate free. So I broke down and bought the Honda antifreeze. It was $23.00, not much more than other types.

Waiting for other parts and pieces, then to make a schedule and get the work done. Most of what I am doing is maintenance. Brakes (rotors and pads), bleeding and replacing fluids, rebuilding master cylinders, flushing cooling system, replacing starter and timing belts on a 30 year old bike is due diligence.

Cheers


don't forget about checking and maybe replacing the belt tensioner pulleys while you have the belts off.

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Postby Rednaxs60 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:51 pm

Checked out the belt tensioner (adjuster timing belt) at my local dealer. In the range of $100.00 CDN each. Will definitely be checking these when I replace the belts.

I have some projects in mind, but I intend to get the maintenance out of the way first.

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Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:18 am

before you go spending that much money for tensioner pulleys, read this..........viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27870 you can get new pulleys and mount them yourself. go to o'reillies auto parts or Napa auto parts and get the pulleys from them. they are about $22.00 each. WAY cheaper than Honda. the part number for the pulleys are 42105. if the 1200 uses the same as the 1100 does, these are the ones you need. once you get the tensioners off the motor, it should take about 25 minutes with a good angle grinder to replace your pulleys.

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Re: New to Forum

Postby Rednaxs60 » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:59 pm

Roadwanderer2 - thanks for the info. Had read it before, but will now source the parts. Have a 7 day window in Feb to tear down and do all maintenance. Cheers

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