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Another bad apple

Postby dingdong » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:44 am



And we wonder why cops get such a bad rap. AAARRRGGGHHH.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/201 ... ailed.html


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Re: Another bad apple

Postby ankgrays » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:07 pm

WOW!! :o

I guess his department has different training than mine. You always fall back to your training.

We weren't ever taught the WWE kick in our classes...OR the one handed "gangsta" gun handling.

There is always the one bad apple giving everyone else a bad name. :oops:
I don't tolerate voluntary stupidity very well, and it seems to be rampant now-a-days.

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby thrasherg » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:42 pm

But $180K will go a long way to making him feel better!! Certainly seemed very unprovoked, even if the biker had been doing 100+mph he clearly was not running from the officer as he stopped at the traffic lights to turn right!! Very poor policing by the officer.

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby Mh434 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:35 pm

Funny, in the 30 years I served as an LEO, I never saw fit to do anything like that. Seems like there's some anger management issues going on there...it amazes me that there are officers out there, knowing there are cameras on them (in this case, his OWN dash cam!), still letting their professionalism evaporate under pressure.

I was taught to act as though there was a camera on me 24/7, that I could be called upon to justify every single thing I did, and I acted accordingly. That's probably why, despite the extremely heavy case load I dealt with during my career, I only ever got one complaint. It's a little off topic, but it's a funny story, and illustrates that even the most stoic among us can fall prey to on-the-job frustrations.

The complaint against me was from a woman whose husband sliced off her upper lip in a fight. After I got him locked up & en route to the station in another marked car, I drove her to the hospital.

Highly intoxicated, on arrival she changed her mind & decided she wanted him to see what he'd done to her, refusing treatment (lip was hanging by a thread of tissue). After dealing with her for over an hour at the hospital, I told her not to be an idiot, and finally convinced her to accept treatment.

Months later, she made a complaint that I had called her an idiot. I agreed to an informal resolution and appeared, with her, in front of one of my senior inspectors. In the meeting, she agreed that she had been acting as an idiot at the time, but wanted an apology from me for calling her one. I said "Yes ma'am, absolutely...I'm very sorry you were an idiot." She stood and said "Thank you. That's all I wanted", and walked out.

My inspector managed to hold onto his laughter until she was out of the building...unfortunately, that inspector passed away a couple of weeks ago. He was a good man, with a great sense of humor, and he will be missed.

I suspect the officer in this video needs some remedial anger management training...
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby urbanmadness » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:45 pm

Mh434 wrote:Funny, in the 30 years I served as an LEO, I never saw fit to do anything like that. Seems like there's some anger management issues going on there...

It amazes me that there are officers out there, knowing there are cameras on them (in this case, his OWN dash cam!), still letting their professionalism evaporate under pressure. I was taught to act as though there was a camera on me 24/7, that I could be called upon to justify every single thing I did, and I acted accordingly. That's probably why, despite a breathtaking (and highly successful) case load during my career, I never got complaints. I suspect the officer in this video needs to learn that, too.


I want to say Thank you for your service to our community. I see so many Youtube Video's etc, where the cops get so little respect.

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby Mh434 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:02 pm

Thank you, I appreciate it! It's unfortunate that examples like the video above sour the public. I often found myself having to apologize to members of the public for the actions of other officers, usually those who worked in other cities (or even different countries). It gives us all a bad name.

The vast majority of officers I've known knew were solid, caring, upstanding, professionals. Sure, once in awhile we'd end up getting a "bad apple", but when that happened we all recognized it, and the rank and file took steps to weed them out, and ensure they moved on to another form of employment. Frankly, the job was hard enough without having to clean up after the unprofessional ones as well.

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby spiralout » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:27 am

Once again, no criminal charges filed, only a written reprimand for failure to report and the taxpayers have to pay another civil settlement. Plus, Edwards got a promotion from Lt. to Captain since this.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-shows-raging-cop-run-kick-compliant-biker-promoted-captain/

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby dingdong » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:09 am

spiralout wrote:Once again, no criminal charges filed, only a written reprimand for failure to report and the taxpayers have to pay another civil settlement. Plus, Edwards got a promotion from Lt. to Captain since this.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-shows-raging-cop-run-kick-compliant-biker-promoted-captain/



Oh my!!!! I feel so much better now that I know he is heading up the entire Oregon HP.
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby themainviking » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:59 pm

Bad Cop, Bad. Sit in your office for a while and collect your paycheck.

Hey, at least the guy had a good ride before his punishment. Broken collarbone, fractured ribs and a damaged bike. I really don't think $180K covers it. There is the loss of face and if that kick did that much damage, he is fragile too. I could not figure out what the cop took so long at. Did he hogtie the motorcycle rider hands and feet? He took a long time if all he was doing was handcuffing or putting on a restraining unit. I believe I shall avoid Oregon unless simply sliding down an interstate to get from Wash to Cali.

Personally, I have never had a lot of good fortune with police officers. Here where I live, they all seem to have something to prove, and since I have long hair and a beard, they want to prove it to me. I am never surprised by police brutality, however, fortunately, all they ever did is yell and point guns at me. I have also not been even stopped in the last 20 years or so. Getting older and grayer must help.
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby Simon Templar » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:16 am

180k? Hmmm...seems the cop, the department, and the municipality (whichever it is) got off dirt cheap. A veritable slap on the wrist.

No excuse whatsoever for this sort of behaviour.


Here's another one from the Shoot-first-and-worry-about-the-facts-later department.......









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Re: Another bad apple

Postby spiralout » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:27 am

Simon Templar wrote:180k? Hmmm...seems the cop, the department, and the municipality (whichever it is) got off dirt cheap. A veritable slap on the wrist.

It's always the municipality, which is the citizen taxpayers, never the cop. I've read that somewhere up north, Michigan or Minn. maybe, they tried to introduce legislation that would require all law enforcement to carry insurance similar to doctor's malpractice insurance so that the rate hikes after civil payouts like this would make it unaffordable, hence no more bad cop still employed as a cop. The police unions saw that that didn't happen.
Simon Templar wrote:Here's another one from the Shoot-first-and-worry-about-the-facts-later department.......

And another



Same one with audio Details: here



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Re: Another bad apple

Postby flogger » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:14 am

Mmmm, after doing this, he was promoted to Captain and put in a supervisory management position at headquarters. We will see him on TV again one day as upper management bashing or firing or justifying a junior cop for similar actions... Really? The Oregon State Police should have fired his behind for this incident...
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby MikeB » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:52 pm


Take a look at the entire video clip from the police cruiser when he approached the stop light.
Yes, the cop was wrong in his technique and attitude but look at the flagrant disregard the motorcyclist had for personal and public safety, not to mention his lack of intelligence. He never even looked in his rear view mirror until he was about to be rammed and stopped. You can see his reaction (head bobbing) as he realized that he was being followed by a police cruiser.

He had passed the cop at a high rate of speed, obviously exceeding the speed limit. Then he passed not one but two vehicles on curves and over the double yellow line risking both his own safety and that of the other drivers. In the five minutes that all of this occurred, he obviously had not looked behind him. Big mistake and poor riding technique.

The cop was definitely out of control and that is a fact. The motorcycle rider deserved to be stopped and ticketed as a minimum. But, I have a feeling when there are multiple infractions and the speeds exceeding 100 mph, the motorcyclist gets detained and the motorcycle impounded. Had the cop held his temper, the motorcyclist would have been the big loser here.

They were both in the wrong.
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby spiralout » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:50 am

...and yet another cop who thinks he's Walker, Texas Ranger. This was after firing 4 shots at the rider out the window of his moving cruiser and striking him once. All in the name of public safety...



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Re: Another bad apple

Postby dingdong » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:22 am

I guess that's how they get promoted. New captain's bars II shortly.
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby spiralout » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:20 pm

Update on the original post:
The State dropped their appeal to the jury's decision
http://www.copblock.org/161238/oregon-drops-appeal-will-pay-517000-to-motorcyclist-kicked-by-cop/

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby OldZX11Rider » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:45 am

At one time I had a Sgt. that could be a total ass. Many times it was embarassing just to be seen wearing the same uniform as this Sgt. I know there were several of us peons that encouraged citizens to make a complaint because nothing changed when we complained.
This Sgt.'s answer to every complaint, "I wouldn't even be called in here if I were a man."
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Not chauvinistic, just what the Captain said.
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby spiralout » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:17 pm

Update on the Paradise, Ca cop who walked up and shot the guy, whom he'd been chasing, in the neck as he was climbing out of his vehicle after a roll over then didn't report the shot to his commander until 10 minutes later, when the wound was found. He was found guilty of manslaughter



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Re: Another bad apple

Postby golden highway » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:06 pm

I grew up in a large city and most of the officers were from the neighborhood. I knew a lot of officer's personally some were great dome were jerks. You might get slapped around but not shot. Somehow they handled things without firing a shot. People had more respect for the police back then also. After one of the officers I knew retired he sold me his Smith and Wesson 38 special, the standard back in the day. That was 30 years ago and he carried it for almost 40 years. It was never fired in the line of duty and spent most of its life in the holster. How things have changed now police are shot at on a regular basis. I wonder how many officer's have not fired their weapons in the line of duty?

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby OldZX11Rider » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:27 pm

Very few of the Officers I worked with during my career had ever fired their weapons except for qualifications.
I've been shot at, and that will get your blood pumping, but I've never shot at a person. ;)
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby golden highway » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:11 pm

OldZX11Rider wrote:Very few of the Officers I worked with during my career had ever fired their weapons except for qualifications.
I've been shot at, and that will get your blood pumping, but I've never shot at a person. ;)


How long ago you talking?
Why didn't you shoot back?

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby OldZX11Rider » Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:43 am

It's been almost 30 years ago now. I was taking a report from a young couple in their yard. Their kids had came out to see the cop and his car.
That's when an intoxicated neighbor decided to take a shot a me. My first reaction was to get these people to safety.
Then I went after the neighbor but he wasn't standing where I'd last seen him. When I found him, I came very close to shooting him. Very close.
But he had fell down and lost his gun in all the leaves in the ground. So I handcuffed him instead.
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Re: Another bad apple

Postby golden highway » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:01 pm

I guess we are looking at the same time frame. Kind of makes you wonder what happened over the past 30 years to get us where we are today.

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby spiralout » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:25 pm

golden highway wrote:I guess we are looking at the same time frame. Kind of makes you wonder what happened over the past 30 years to get us where we are today.

This is what happened
https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610394577

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Re: Another bad apple

Postby OldZX11Rider » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:59 pm

I read a couple of the reviews on that book, spiralout. Sounds interesting and it might be right.
I also think part of it is the government passing laws and making criminals where there was none before. ;)


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