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BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:39 am



No right or wrong, just opinions, and why?


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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby themainviking » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:24 pm

Does not appear to have affected anything in the US economy, but all so called "commonwealth" countries took it in the neck. There are pros and cons to both sides of the question, and they made their decision. Now they gotta live with it. I just wish we did not have to. Canada is totally independent of the British Empire, with the exception that we recognize the Queen, and about 2.8% of our international trade is with England, but our dollar took a hit as did the Toronto Stock Exchange. The world lost two trillion dollars in wealth value overnight due to panic stock trading. And the price of oil dropped by 5%. I wish those royalists would go stump theirselves.

I do not know how much the news blasts the U.S. about it, but it has been non stop here in Canada since the vote passed.

But that is just my opinion - :mrgreen:
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby harvey01 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:24 pm

Reduced gas prices is good! As far as the stocks loosing money that effects all of us directly or indirectly. Certainly if you are in the market to invest, it is probably a good time to buy.

I suspect as time passes and the UK does really exit there will be some more upheaval but doubt things will get too messed up. In reality the US economy is very service oriented and not especially dependent on the UK or Europe. Unfortunately the financial problems of Greece and other countries will have a ripple effect on us but are not strong enough to really hurt us.

The real problem is what does the world do with all of the refuges fleeing to Europe now? Obviously this is being discussed by our presidential candidates and is a larger part of the UK's vote to leave the EU.

For those lucky enough to travel to Europe, I suspect things may get more difficult with money exchange and crossing borders. Today with the Euro there is virtually no need to exchange money and crossing the border is almost as easy as going from one state to another. This may change.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby ekvh » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:36 pm

This morning I heard two trillion dollars "disappeared." What a hoax!

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby brettchallenger » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:45 pm

Personally, I think it is a disaster. But it has been coming. The government and opposition (look on them as the equivalent of Republicans and Democrats) have both ignored and disregarded the English working class, who have seen their jobs disappear, and believe that they will be overwhelmed by immigration. And now they have had the opportunity to vote and have done so, probably with catastrophic results. In all probability, not a lot will change in terms of Europe. The EU will survive, the UK will be poorer and end up chasing the coat tails of Germany and France. The only glimmer of hope is that the Scots will finally vote for independence and take their begging bowl to Germany instead of England.

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:35 pm

The news here is making a big deal about 3.8 million people wanting something like a do over.
I love it when the media only throws out a part of the equation. They fail to mention there are over 53 million people in England.
I do think the politicians stopped paying attention to their citizens and the citizens are now making a statement.

I recently saw a newsclip of a large number of "immigrants/refugees" fighting with the police. How come all those young men can go to a foreign country and fight, but can't fight in their own country?
I wouldn't want them here either but we have no say so in this country. :roll:
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby harvey01 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:59 pm

OldZX11Rider, your presidential candidates both address this issue at length. One if for allowing more immigrants into the USA and one is opposed. If this issue is important to you be sure to cast your vote accordingly.

Brettchallenger has made a very valid comparison of the situation in the UK with our up coming election. The middle class and working folks here are very disenchanted with the government and this has caused Trump to rise above the other Republican candidates and carry the message. What will happen in November is anyone's guess but I do know who will get my vote!

A change from the status quo might help get the wheels turning.

One side effect of this Brexit is if it gets larger than anticipated and effects our finances, it will be interesting to see how the President responds after he pointed out everything his predecessor did wrong and explained "hope and change"

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:30 pm

I don't like everything about Trump but I can't stand Hillary. I think she should be in prison but with our current U.S. Attorney General, she probably doesn't need to worry about anything the F.B.I. finds.
I also hope England emerges from this whole E.U. situation a stronger, healthier nation with a greater sense of direction and unity.
And I hope for the same thing for the U.S. when we emerge from the Obama error.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:34 pm

And you're right, let's go riding! :lol:

(But I'm still curious as to what the everyday working man in England thinks.) ;)
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby themainviking » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:42 am

OldZX11Rider wrote:And you're right, let's go riding! :lol:

(But I'm still curious as to what the everyday working man in England thinks.) ;)


52% thought they were in favor of Brexit and 48% were against it. Seems to have been divided by age. Older for, younger against. But then, that was information gleaned from the media, so it may all be false. I am pretty sure, even if not totally false, it is skewed.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby brettchallenger » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:57 am

52% thought they were in favor of Brexit and 48% were against it. Seems to have been divided by age. Older for, younger against. But then, that was information gleaned from the media, so it may all be false. I am pretty sure, even if not totally false, it is skewed.


This is based upon pre-vote opinion polls. The data from the election itself simply records the number of votes cast, either for or against remaining in the EU and spoiled ballot papers. Apart from data regarding individual geographical area decisions, no other data is collected. So we know for instance, that most areas of London voted remain and in what numbers. Whilst the opinion polls might reflect a young versus old split, you have to remember that the opinion polls also predicted that the Remain campaign would be successful.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby dingdong » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:29 am

GOOD! As for the stock market it will recover so I'm not worried at all about that. (knee jerk reaction) Brexit is a good thing. The EU should have never been allowed to happen in the first place. Now that it is hopefully on the way to oblivion, Britain won't be the last to leave, it is definitely a nail in the coffin of the NEW WORLD ORDER and a GLOBAL ECONOMY. Anyone really want a one world government? Can you really picture a body such as the UN in charge of governing the world. That is where this was headed.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:05 am

You could be right dingdong. That could be the reason why some politicians are in such a hurry to dismantle our constitution, especially the Second Amendment.
Blaming guns for crimes instead of blaming criminals, using terms like "gun violence" instead of "criminal violence", never reporting when a man or woman, sometimes even a child, protects their home, themselves and/or families from criminals with a gun.
Passing new laws on law abiding citizens will not change a thing. But it might make it easier for a New World Order to enforce their will on Americans.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby Mh434 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:02 pm

Just throwing this out there... http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ate-Brexit

- PUBLISHED: 02:01, Tue, Jun 28, 2016 -

A snippet - "The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels."


If even a portion of this article is true, I'd be in a huge hurry to get out of the EU, too. Sounds like the creation of a "New World Order" to me, completely eliminating the individuality of member nations. Scary stuff, indeed.

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby suvcw04 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:58 pm

Tinfoil hat time. But, for some, it is ALWAYS tinfoil hat time. Funny thing is, I don't anyone fleeing for the border. Might it be that this is still the best place on the planet? (And will be no matter who is Pres next year at this time, so don't go wailing about that.)

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby Sidcar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:25 pm

Hi Oldzx11rider
I just spent an hour trying to explain Brexit, pressed submit and the whole thing has vanished!!
It's true, life is a bitch.

Not sure I'm up to doing it all again certainly not tonight.

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby suvcw04 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:36 pm

Sidcar wrote:Hi Oldzx11rider
I just spent an hour trying to explain Brexit, pressed submit and the whole thing has vanished!!
It's true, life is a bitch.

Not sure I'm up to doing it all again certainly not tonight.

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby brettchallenger » Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:15 am

I just spent an hour trying to explain Brexit, pressed submit and the whole thing has vanished!!
It's true, life is a bitch.


It's the EU secret service, they are on to you. The next thing you know you will be waking up in a Latvian re-education centre cell.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby themainviking » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:28 am

As far as I am concerned, and this is just my own opinion, The EU was just the peaceful version of Hitlers attempts to rule the world. Just because it was done peacefully does not mean it was a right thing. I agree that it should be dismantled, as it created entire welfare countries such as Greece and Spain. As a whole, the EU has and creates financial difficulties, and then the wealthier member states need to cough up to cover the downfalls. I do not personally care if the whole of Europe is combined for government, as long as it stays on that side of the ocean. People over there, who have, are coming to the realization that the whole EU system is a share the wealth and opportunity program. Over here we call it social assistance. Cannot find a job at home, look around. Which member states have the best welfare programs. Go there, be happy. The foregoing is not based on fact. It is based on my own supposition. :lol:
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:28 am

I don't know why any sovereign nation would give up control of its own borders. Is this what happened to Britain when they joined the E.U.?
Was this border control turned over to the E.U.? Did the E.U. have the authority to impose taxes on member states, and was this done to support countries like Greece and Spain?
In reference to refugees, did Britain decide how many they would take or was this decision made by the E.U.?
I am terribly uninformed about this. With the grandchildren around so much, I see more cartoons than I see world news. :lol:
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby Mh434 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:46 am

Originally, as I understand it, the EU was intended as "free trade", writ large. It has grown to the point where the essentially unelected EU masters have imposed their own taxes, laws, etc., without necessarily having the consent of the member nations affected. This has continued to expand to include the EU masters dictating refugee acceptance - with fines of millions of dollars per day for delay or refusal of refugees. Poorer nations are supported by EU-mandated funding from more prosperous ones, essentially, in my view, creating entire "welfare state" nations (rather than making them responsible for their own prosperity).

This latest "superstate" proposal would remove the last vestiges of member nations' individuality. The group of EU masters in Brussels would become the new "chancellors" of all of Europe. To me, it resembles Germany in the mid-1930's, on a continental scale. Maybe my tinfoil hat is on too tight, but when it comes to socialism it has always seemed that the sky's the limit.

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:02 am

That sounds exactly how Washington dictates to the people, instead of serving the people.

(The American people I mean, Washington serves the middle eastern countries very well.)
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby Mh434 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:05 am

I suppose the difference is that in the EU "superstate", individual nations' citizens wouldn't even have the ability to vote anymore...

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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby brettchallenger » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:19 am

In the 1980s the EU agreed the Schengen Agreement which essentially allowed freedom of movement between member states - like there is free movement between the states of the US, it also allowed people from different countries to settle and work in other member states, again like the US. The UK had an opt out of this in terms of her borders (except those with the Republic of Ireland) but EU citizens can pass through passport control without difficulty. EU member states determine their own taxes, they are not dictated by the EU. There are a number of EU laws which cover the entire union, eg Protection of Human Rights which amongst other things, forbids torture and capital punishment.
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Re: BREXIT, Good or Bad?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:26 am

brettchallenger, I've read your post several times. It seems there would be some benefits staying in the EU as far as traveling in the EU member states.
Is most of the problem a result of Britain's generous welfare benefits? (I've read they're better than many of the other member states.)
Are people moving there for the benefits but refusing to assimilate and become a useful member of society?
Or do you think people might be afraid of losing their national identity to a European identity? I could see that.
I'd love to visit England to see "English"(?) things. (Not sure I said that right.)
And hear the English language spoken with a British tongue. (Does that make sense?)
I'd also like to visit Germany, France and Italy each for their own, unique qualities.
I may never go back to Europe but I'd hate for it to become a place where if you've seen one, you've seen them all.


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