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E3 to car tire, wow

Postby slickster » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:41 pm



Finally installed a 195/50/16 on the rear....WOW....the bike is totally planted, smooth and quiet....soaks up the bumps and it took all of 5 minutes to adjust to the different feel, takes the corners just fine, if you are considering a new rear tire, go for it.....



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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby offcenter » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:13 am

Slick, is that tire the same size as the original bike tire, or is it taller?
I'm about to make the change myself. But my legs are short and I don't
want a taller tire than the bike tire that's on it now.
Many have recommended the AustoneTaxi, but that one looks MUCH taller
than the original, so the Austone is out.
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby RoadRogue » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:29 pm

Here is what an Austone Taxi tire, a worn out E3 and a 195-55-16 look like side by side. The 195-55-16 is about as much smaller than the stock tire as the Austone is taller. 8-)
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby aj1500 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:01 pm

If you like the new feel with the CT on the back you should try a rear tire on the front, talk about a new beast coming alive :D
if you go Double dark side you won't be able to go back ;)

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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby OldZX11Rider » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:56 pm

Welcome to the Darkside Skywalker, er, ah, slickster. :?: :lol:
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby Bugmerc » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:27 am

Is that the size that is recommended in order to go "darkened"? Is there a preferred brand? I'm gonna have to read the myriad of threads about this.

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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby thrasherg » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:11 am

RoadRogue wrote:Here is what an Austone Taxi tire, a worn out E3 and a 195-55-16 look like side by side. The 195-55-16 is about as much smaller than the stock tire as the Austone is taller. 8-)
darkside tire.JPG


You weren't joking when you said a worn out E3!! You certainly got your money's worth out of that tyre!! :lol:

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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby offcenter » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:53 am

RoadRogue wrote:Here is what an Austone Taxi tire, a worn out E3 and a 195-55-16 look like side by side. The 195-55-16 is about as much smaller than the stock tire as the Austone is taller. 8-)
darkside tire.JPG


So is the 195-50 that the OP used taller or shorter than the 195-55 that you pictured.
I don't understand how these new crazy sizes are measured.
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:11 pm

On any metric sized tire the numbers mean...
Example 195-55-16
The first number, in this case 195, this is the width of the tire in millimeters.
The second number is the aspect ratio of the tire or profile height. It is a percentage of the width. So in case 55% of 195. A 50 series tire would be shorter in side wall height and therefore overall height .
The last number is the diameter of the rim, in this case 16 inches.
You can use math to figure out the total height of any tire , in this case 55% of 195 is....107.25mm for the bottom side wall plus the same for the top...214.5mm. convert this to inches.....8.445 inches and add the rim diameter of 16 for a total tire height of 24.445 inches. Divide by 2 to give you the height of the axel from the ground .....12.22 inches . Compare this number to the axel height of your current tire and you will know if your legs will reach the ground more comfortably.
Of course you can always let out the air in your shocks, remove foam from the seat or get thicker soled boots, maybe all four. 8-)
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:17 pm

thrasherg wrote:
RoadRogue wrote:Here is what an Austone Taxi tire, a worn out E3 and a 195-55-16 look like side by side. The 195-55-16 is about as much smaller than the stock tire as the Austone is taller. 8-)
darkside tire.JPG


You weren't joking when you said a worn out E3!! You certainly got your money's worth out of that tyre!! :lol:

That particular tire was on a friend's bike when he bought it, I would NEVER run a tire as bald as I am. I actually made him park that bike till I could get the Austone tire delivered and mounted for him. I won't let a friend or an enemy ride on anything that worn out. 8-)
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:29 pm

Bugmerc wrote:Is that the size that is recommended in order to go "darkened"? Is there a preferred brand? I'm gonna have to read the myriad of threads about this.

There is a lot of info to read up on before you decide to go " darkside" , please do read as much as you can on the subject, both the pro and the con. This way you can make an Informed decision if it's right for you.

If you don't need a lower profile tire to give you " more legs" the Austone Taxi tire is a very good choice. About 3/4" taller than a stock MC tire, gives you a taller gear. You don't go looking for 6th gear any more, lowers your RPM by about 250. Vastly superior traction in all conditions, more stable handling on gravel roads and metal bridge decking. Much longer tread life and a quiet ride. 8-)
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby minimac » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:08 am

RoadRogue wrote:
Bugmerc wrote:Is that the size that is recommended in order to go "darkened"? Is there a preferred brand? I'm gonna have to read the myriad of threads about this.

...If you don't need a lower profile tire to give you " more legs" the Austone Taxi tire is a very good choice. About 3/4" taller than a stock MC tire, gives you a taller gear. You don't go looking for 6th gear any more, lowers your RPM by about 250. Vastly superior traction in all conditions, more stable handling on gravel roads and metal bridge decking. Much longer tread life and a quiet ride. 8-)


The Austone also makes it a whole lot easier to get the bike on the centerstand, too!

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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby dingdong » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:59 am

Another experience regarding the Austone Taxi tire. I installed one on my bike as well as a friends at the same time and we both experienced the same problems. It didn't perform well at all. I know as many as a dozen others that had/have the same problem as we did. First the inner fender has to be modified in order to keep the tire from rubbing and melting the plastic fender. On our bikes even after modification the tire still rubbed when riding two up and hitting bumps. Smelled burning plastic all the time.

The worst problem was the negative tire performance exhibited on "some" 1500s. When riding on a road that had rain grooves the tire would try to follow the grooves to the extreme. Much more than any other tire I ever used. In a strong wind at highway speed the bike would become VERY unstable and hard to control. At speeds at and above 85mph the bike would actually rise up and feel like it was trying to lift off. Scared the heck out of me.

I am aware of all the instructions for installing the Austone. I tried air pressures from 35 to 60 lbs. Nothing helped. We even sent the tires back to Universal for testing. They found no problems and refunded our money. My bike is maintained properly (anally) so I know it wasn't a problem with the bikes suspension.

Not bashing the darkside. I like cookies. ;) Just want to make newcomers aware of a possible negative outcome. If I could find a CT the same height as stock I would try again.
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby FM-USA » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:36 pm

Before going DarkSide on my GL1500 I read and read and read and read and asked A LOT of questions before committing to the taller Austone.
(I shake my head at dingdongs misfortune) Of all I have read which is also in several other bike website forums, only 2 people had bad experiences. Dingdong's and some (claimed to be a professional rider) Steve. This Steve road a Valkyrie with a CT on the rear for 500 feet and made ALL KINDS of negative feedback. 500 feet!!! I had to laugh IN HIS FACE (well posted) how utterly ignorant to reality facts and his blasphemous falsehoods that were in his write up.... a 500 foot ride :roll: ... come-on.

Sift through all you can, you will find out how many do ride a CT on the rear and have no problems, just positives.
Here's one bit of info from my experience. I twice hit a patch of 'black ice' and the Austone (with has over 200% more rubber on the road than any bike tire) actually straightened the bike out when I slightly rolled off the throttle. I hit black ice on my Honda 500-4 in the 1970's and it SLAMMED me down to the ground before I could blink. NOW MIND YOU, not many will ride in the winter like I do so I'm one of the few who have a substantial amount of riding time and real life experience on snow covered roads. ;)
Tell yah what, if you buy and install the Austone on your bike and you don't like it, I will buy it from you, as long as the bead isn't damaged. But I have a feeling others would be waiting in line who are closer to you to buy that Austone. :)

One could roughly tally up all the possible miles that are on all the bikes since (let's say) 1990... those safe miles are into the Billions... with a 'B', Billions. ;)
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby grospetit » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:09 am

welcome.. i didused a car tire YOKOHAMA AVID endivor is the best tire to use on bike, i done 52k km or 32k miles on it for the secon time and i use a 195-60-16 for best size and this size done a 3.5% difference of real spedo , now i use a YOKOHAMA AVID ASCEND and i have now 55k kilometer ou 32k miles and i hope to do 75k kilometer or 45k miles.. i would like use a 195-65-16 but do not exist on yokohama because my spedo will be exact with gps.

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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby dingdong » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:24 am

FM-USA wrote:Before going DarkSide on my GL1500 I read and read and read and read and asked A LOT of questions before committing to the taller Austone.
(I shake my head at dingdongs misfortune) Of all I have read which is also in several other bike website forums, only 2 people had bad experiences. ;)


I found at least a dozen others in my research "regarding GoldWing gl1500s" and the Austone, likely on some of those same forums you mention who experienced the same problems. Isn't that curious? Hmmm? ;) I know there are more positive experiences than negative but personally I want to hear from both sides. Like I stated, if I could find a same OEM size CT I would go back.
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby FM-USA » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:56 am

We all can read the same article and come to different conclusions. It's sort of like a predetermined mindset of what we expect to find. As for me I do try to keep an open mind to the pros and cons and read reviews of 'X'. In my online searches, (examples: 'Pluto pros cons' and 'Pluto reviews'.

I hope you do find your CT diameter replacement, can't go wrong with tire longevity and more grip.

The Austone gives me about 80K miles verses 12K-ish for a bike tire. What I do around 40K remove the rear wheel and grease the splines. I'm looking into inserting a Zerk fitting or two but not sure if that's going to properly spread out on all the splines.
Hummmm.... "Zerk fitting GL1500 rear wheel spline moly paste"... :?

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Curious to know how many others DID that Zerk search?

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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby STLWING » Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:21 pm

Switched to a Kumho run-flat 195/55-16 over the winter. Have used E3s and most recently Bridgestone. After 8000 miles, mostly highway/2-up/trailering, the Bridgestone looked like a car tire with the big flat on it. Really have liked the change and just finished a run to Branson on Interstate that really pointed out the improvement in stability. On grooved, curved, sections of I-44 the bike would really squirm as the two MC tires wandered over the grooves as well as the trailer tires. This past weekend was much less "exciting" with the only squirming coming from the front end. Maintaining speed around the curves while passing semis was not an issue this time. I had started waiting for straights or ungrooved areas to pass trucks when I ran MC tires, but no longer. The wider, flatter profile requires more attention on sloped surfaces. The pivot point moves out a bit and will get you moving back towards level with the road faster. Found that out in some of the parking lots and intersections in Branson. The bike wants to head downhill even more than with MC tires and you and your passenger just need to be aware. Different tires have slightly different profiles. The Kumho has pretty large rounded corners that make for a nice transition into curves. No problems leaning over with a passenger until the pegs scrub.
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Re: E3 to car tire, wow

Postby slickster » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:54 pm

The 195/50 I used was wider and about the same height...now have several hundred miles at all speeds and it is still impressive...hope to get 30k miles out of it as opposed to 8-10k out of MC tires.....running 40 psi BTW




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