Floating Gears...Do you know how?


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Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby thunderwing » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:34 pm



Just got my CDL-A, and I have come to understand quickly that floating gears will save the left leg some wear and tear.

Has anyone ever floated gears on their goldwing or any other bike for that matter?

I'm learning on the truck, and don't feel like munching up my goldwing transmission.

Just interested in what the goldwing docs community has to say on this.

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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby OldZX11Rider » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:55 pm

I can do it on my truck and I have a couple times, (accidently) shifted gears on my 1500 without the clutch.
It may not hurt anything, if done right, but I just don't want to risk making scrap out of my transmission. ;)
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Postby Dusty Boots » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:44 pm

I've tried a couple of times both up and down on my 1500 and it won't do it, so I use the clutch all the time.
Different story on my old GL1000!

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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby dingdong » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:33 am

I believe "float shifting" is shifting without using the clutch, right? Ummm? How is that going to save the leg some wear and tear? Lol ;) Well I think I would rather save the wear and tear on the gears. It takes practice to float shift at the proper rpm. Too great a risk of damaging the tranny. That said, I have done it occasionally. My 1000 is much more agreeable to this than the 1500.
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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby FM-USA » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:11 am

"Floating", or no clutching, of gear changing is risky.
Shift forks can bend, hence 4th gear problems with the early 1500's.
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I had to do this a few months ago, clutch slave RALPHED :oops: all the fluid. Lucky most of the 45 miles back home was 4 lane main roads and methodically routed local streets. One intersection looked a little to congested to attempt its red/green light timing so I did a U-Turn 1/4 mile before it and went a different way. Got home OK and trans held up.

There were times I felt excessive shift lever pressure might bend a fork, :? got lucky this time.

After that incident I pondered the thought of a double needle speedometer.
One pointer the speed and the other the RPM's of the gear you're in.
Once both needles are lined up, the gear speed is nearly identical.


The double RPM needle is for matching he RPM's of both UP-SHIFT and DOWN-SHIFT for smooth engagements.
The KEY is to relieve the 'pressure off the gears' so they change with the least amount of friction.

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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby thrasherg » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:26 am

my 1800 wing will change up (clutchless change) quite easily, but I don't have much success going down gears. In general I prefer to use the clutch on my wing for gear changes as it is smoother, on my dirt bikes I almost never use the clutch (once moving) as they change gear very easily and smoothly without the clutch, but the wing just feels better with the clutch..
If done correctly, i don't think it does any harm, but only you can judge if you are doing it correctly!! :D

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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby brettchallenger » Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:38 pm

I can do this on my old East German 250 without any problems, but then the gearbox gets a lot of use on a two stroke with little torque. Of all the motorcycles in the world, the one not to need clutchless gear changes is the Goldwing. My gl1500 is the nearest thing I have come to an automatic gearbox on a bike. It will take 5th gear at not much over 25mph then that's it in terms of changing gear for most of my riding. So I don't see using the clutch for the occasional shift too onerous.
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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby minimac » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:37 am

Why would anyone want to risk damaging the trans? If you don't want to clutch, but something with a DCT or a scooter!

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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby FM-USA » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:17 pm

Loosing the clutch can happen and usually happens when you're away from home. It's good to know you can "Float the Gears" before it happens. What we're talking about here is how to do it without destroying our transmissions.
Some people take this conversation as if were an oil discussion or "Dark-Siding". The Chicken Little's and Nay-Sayers seem to come out of the woodwork just to toss in there left handed monkey wrenches.
In all basics, motorcycling is dangerous, SO WHY DO IT? :shock:

(sigh) .. .. .. .. .. ANYWAYS...
I would assume 99% of us wing riders know what the gears feel like in your left foot when we change gears. "THE KEY" is letting off the throttle to allow the gears mesh quickly and not have the bike do a drastic "Bucking Bronco".
Up shifting is much easier since we are well programmed to let off the throttle a bit but throttle action is reversed for down shifting, that will take a little practice, it's unnatural.
There's no need to go into details, you have to experience it through practice. Remember, "THE KEY" is letting off the throttle so the bike is not accelerating or decelerating.

Practice Practice Practice but ONLY enough to understand what's needed, you just may never need it. Just knowing you can "Float the Gears" is enough and just might save a tow.
;)

One thing I was EZ to do with lighter bikes, with the bike idling in neutral, push it to a slow run then hop on and drop it in gear. Has anyone tried this with a Wing or as heavy of a bike? Not talking about a down hill run but on flat land.

FYI:
I accidentally dropped my Wing into first gear, while stopped, without damage. That happened over 100K miles ago.
Quite a robust trans I would say.
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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby brettchallenger » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:57 pm

One thing I was EZ to do with lighter bikes, with the bike idling in neutral, push it to a slow run then hop on and drop it in gear. Has anyone tried this with a Wing or as heavy of a bike? Not talking about a down hill run but on flat land.


Yes, FM, it is a useful skill to master as "a get me home" technique, but on a Wing? It would be a real nightmare getting going from a standstill without a clutch even on a quiet country road or car park; but in a city environment - stopped at a red light, on a slight uphill gradient? I suspect it would be the death of me.
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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby FM-USA » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:25 pm

I'm not knit-picking where, no one knows where it will happen.
HOPEFULLY where is in the boonies or least traveled roads.
As we already know, safety first.

Besides, I asked if anyone tried it.
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Re: Floating Gears...Do you know how?

Postby FM-USA » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:27 pm

brettchallenger wrote:
One thing I was EZ to do with lighter bikes, with the bike idling in neutral, push it to a slow run then hop on and drop it in gear. Has anyone tried this with a Wing or as heavy of a bike? Not talking about a down hill run but on flat land.


Yes, FM, it is a useful skill to master as "a get me home" technique, but on a Wing? It would be a real nightmare getting going from a standstill without a clutch even on a quiet country road or car park; but in a city environment - stopped at a red light, on a slight uphill gradient? I suspect it would be the death of me.

I'm not knit-picking where, no one knows where it will happen.
HOPEFULLY where is in the boonies or least traveled roads.
As we already know, safety first.

Besides, I asked if anyone tried it with a heavy bike.


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