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Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:32 am



With mixed feelings, I have finally sold my 1200. The new owner represents a younger crowd, probably about 30. Grinned the whole time he once-overed her. Bigger grin on the test ride. Rode her home to Idaho, that part I'm jealous.
Anyway, I go look at a 1994 SE today. Don't know anything about it's history though. Has 66,000 miles, asking $3400. Price is right. So I'll look at it with trepidation. Won't be able to ride much as weather is going to change for the worse come Wednesday and I have to work all day so...
Other than belts, which I have no idea on, what other things to look for? Not a bid deal if I pass on it, just wait for Spring but then prices are higher...what to do?
Here is a link to the ad. https://www.ksl.com/classifieds/listing ... &ad_cid=11



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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:16 pm

Back from the test drive. First of all, I can flat foot this bike, never could do that with the 1200. Bike is in great shape but not perfect. We settled at 3200. I have until tomorrow to decide but I think I'm getting it. Question: what is the failure mode of the gauges? The temp gauge never left bottom in 30 minutes of on time. The fuel gauge is in the center, but that could be accurate. It's the temp gauge I'm concerned about. I also noticed schrader valves in the front forks and the rear pumps from the onboard compressor, and works. Front forks have been rebuilt. How much air in the fronts-3 to 6 like a 1200? I believe this bike is for me. It runs damn smooth, no smoke at startup, shifts effortlessly and much smoother than the 1200. I actually think this is easier to handle than the lighter 1200, seems to have a lower center of gravity.
So if some of you 1500 experts can help with the gauges and confirm I need to get new ones-I know where that is. And anything else I need to know, I have until tomorrow.

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby brettchallenger » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:09 pm

Hi

You might need to go on a longer run to see if the temp gauge is functioning - depends on the ambient temperature, mine never gets far from cold unless it is a really hot day (and believe me, that is rare in England). If it has failed, it is most likely to be a relay rather than the instrument itself, and relays are easily available, see here: http://goldwingdocs.com/Store/Goldwing- ... MS-H30.asp

I tried to attach a service manual for you but it wouldn't do it. I think it is still available on Goldwingdocs.com

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:48 pm

That's the kind of info I need. I know about the relays here on this site which is why I'm not too concerned. The ambient at time was about 54F not cold not hot. But I thought that after a half an hour it should at least go into the gauge a little. WingAdmin, what about this? How do I know if a gauge has failed. the temp gauge did move barely when the key is turned on even after running it for 30 min. The fuel gauge was reading in the center, I don't remember if it went to E with the key off.
OH and I have another question. the lower lights-the right or left will only illuminate when the turn signals are turned on, is this normal? they don't blink just solid one side only with the turn signal. I was hoping they were running lights and be on when I want them???

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby roadwanderer2 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:15 pm

i can't tell you about your questions on the gauges, but i do know about the lower lights turning on when you have your signals on. they are cornering lights and will only come on when you use your turn signals. my 86 1200 SEi has them and i really like them especially at night. they light up the road so you can see as your going into your turn.

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:20 pm

Wondering if I can rewire them to be running lights..... ;)

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby MikeB » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:22 pm

To test the temperature, start the bike and let it sit and idle. If the bike is in a garage, within 20 minutes or less, the temp should rise and within 30 minutes I'm thinking that the temp should be high enough for the fans to come on. It may take another 10 minutes on both if the bike is outside but it should warm sufficiently for a good rise in temp.

As to the lower cowl lights, that is how they operate from the factory. They are lower illumination for turns and that is it. Some folks will modify the operation so that they are on all the time.
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby FM-USA » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:38 pm

MikeB wrote:To test the temperature, start the bike and let it sit and idle. If the bike is in a garage, within 20 minutes or less, the temp should rise and within 30 minutes I'm thinking that the temp should be high enough for the fans to come on. It may take another 10 minutes on both if the bike is outside but it should warm sufficiently for a good rise in temp.

As to the lower cowl lights, that is how they operate from the factory. They are lower illumination for turns and that is it. Some folks will modify the operation so that they are on all the time.

My lower cowls had 1157 sockets. Lower brightness was running light. Turn signals ON they went brighter. I liked the brighter so I rewired it to be brighter all the time.
Few years later one bulb went out and figured I try a halogen bulb. Broke the glass, gutted it and soldered in a 20 watt halogen bulb. At night a nice soft glow surrounds the front of the bike. I checked the cowl for heat, none. I might try 35 halogens or 50 watt equivalent LEDS next.
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:28 pm

MikeB wrote:To test the temperature, start the bike and let it sit and idle. If the bike is in a garage, within 20 minutes or less, the temp should rise and within 30 minutes I'm thinking that the temp should be high enough for the fans to come on. It may take another 10 minutes on both if the bike is outside but it should warm sufficiently for a good rise in temp.

As to the lower cowl lights, that is how they operate from the factory. They are lower illumination for turns and that is it. Some folks will modify the operation so that they are on all the time.

OK that was done then. Bike idled a while before I test drove it, came back put the wife on back rode some more. Gauge should have definitely moved by then. Need to test if it's the sending unit or the gauge itself. 7.5 v right?

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby FM-USA » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:50 pm

wilmo wrote:
MikeB wrote:To test the temperature, start the bike and let it sit and idle. If the bike is in a garage, within 20 minutes or less, the temp should rise and within 30 minutes I'm thinking that the temp should be high enough for the fans to come on. It may take another 10 minutes on both if the bike is outside but it should warm sufficiently for a good rise in temp.

As to the lower cowl lights, that is how they operate from the factory. They are lower illumination for turns and that is it. Some folks will modify the operation so that they are on all the time.

OK that was done then. Bike idled a while before I test drove it, came back put the wife on back rode some more. Gauge should have definitely moved by then. Need to test if it's the sending unit or the gauge itself. 7.5 v right?

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:52 pm

NO no no no, TIME passed = heat. Not talking about load. Besides, she doesn't read this anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby FM-USA » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:59 pm

wilmo wrote:NO no no no, TIME passed = heat. Not talking about load. Besides, she doesn't read this anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Well. . . as long a you're posting, you are alive. ;) (still need a secrete password that it's you :lol: )
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:01 pm

Yeah. Could also learn to type in code... :twisted:

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby FM-USA » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:10 pm

wilmo wrote:Yeah. Could also learn to type in code... :twisted:

or...
(start at 30 seconds)




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Re: Sold my wing

Postby OldZX11Rider » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:23 pm

Your temperature gauge acts just like mine on my '94 SE. It hardly ever moves much.
When I bought mine, it had 138,000 miles on it. I replaced the thermostat and really, no difference. I finally said to heck with it (for polite company), loaded it up and took off riding.
I've rode in 100° temps and the needle "might" come up to about 1/4 mark.
I've got about 154,000 now and I don't worry about it anymore.
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:58 pm

Got it! If mine moved to 1/4 gauge I'd feel ok about it. It just doesn't move. Fans come on though so unless it's steaming it's road time. Last day of 60 degree weather......hmmmm

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby OldZX11Rider » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:32 pm

Yep. I know mine is getting warm when
the fans come on. I also got to thinking my last Honda (750 Shadow) was water cooled and didn't even have a temperature gauge on it.
So keep on riding and when the temps hit the upper 80's, 90's or the 100° mark, you might see the needle move, a little bit. :lol:
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby toanogreen » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:12 am

I'm with you Wilmo. I just sold my Goldwing 1500SE ,which I said I never would. (Money does actually talk)! Anyway, I still think about it and wonder what was going through my head to even advertise it. So now here is the issue; buy another 1500, had two and loved them both; or get an 1800. I know all the stories about the differences in both. I've even posted here myself with my opinions and such. There are advantages and disadvantages with both. I just enjoy riding and want to continue as long as I can.

What to do...?

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Re: Sold my wing

Postby MikeB » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:05 pm

Buying an 1800 may be the prudent thing to do. The 1500 has been out of production for sixteen years. They are both fun to ride.
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby detdrbuzzard » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:17 pm

wilmo wrote:Got it! If mine moved to 1/4 gauge I'd feel ok about it. It just doesn't move. Fans come on though so unless it's steaming it's road time. Last day of 60 degree weather......hmmmm

there is nothing wrong with your temp gage, at 60º the air isn't warm enough to get the gage to move much, you might see it move if you are stuck in a traffic jam for awhile but moving along at 60º it's not likely to move much
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby MikeB » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:11 pm

detdrbuzzard wrote:there is nothing wrong with your temp gage, at 60º the air isn't warm enough to get the gage to move much, you might see it move if you are stuck in a traffic jam for awhile but moving along at 60º it's not likely to move much

I don't think he is talking about an ambient air temperature gauge. The normal operating range of the engine coolant should be somewhere around 180 ~ 200 degrees no matter what the ambient air temperature is.

The thermostat starts to open at 176 ~ 184 degrees F and is fully open at 199 ~ 206 degrees F.
That would result in some deflection of the engine temperature gauge.

Mine is usually about 1/4 of the way up the scale. When the needle gets to 1/2 scale during prolonged idling or when stuck in traffic, the fans will normally come on and maintain it at that level.
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby detdrbuzzard » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:05 pm

MikeB wrote:
detdrbuzzard wrote:there is nothing wrong with your temp gage, at 60º the air isn't warm enough to get the gage to move much, you might see it move if you are stuck in a traffic jam for awhile but moving along at 60º it's not likely to move much

I don't think he is talking about an ambient air temperature gauge. The normal operating range of the engine coolant should be somewhere around 180 ~ 200 degrees no matter what the ambient air temperature is.

The thermostat starts to open at 176 ~ 184 degrees F and is fully open at 199 ~ 206 degrees F.
That would result in some deflection of the engine temperature gauge.

Mine is usually about 1/4 of the way up the scale. When the needle gets to 1/2 scale during prolonged idling or when stuck in traffic, the fans will normally come on and maintain it at that level.

1500 wings don't have an ambient air temp gauge unless it was added by the owner. on my 1500 wing the temp gauge will not move much form cold at 60º unless I've been riding for some time and get stuck in a traffic jam for awhile. once I get moving the gauge goes back to almost cold, I always thought the temp gauge was about as accurate as the fuel gauge
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Re: Sold my wing

Postby wilmo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:34 pm

Ok mine doesn't move at all even when the fans come on while the bike is sitting still, a period of about 30 minutes. Definitely, the engine is at operating temperature, regardless of ambience, and this should deflect the gauge somewhere. I have not been able to ride it as it is not registered and won't be until Spring. Still, it should deflect under these circumstances, ambience not withstanding. You can't touch the exhaust, you cant touch the radiator-too hot. It's not overheating either. It's just the gauge isn't reflecting engine temperature. There is definitely an issue with it somewhere. I just need to investigate--Spring. I don't have a garage, just a small storage shed that is now crammed with two bikes and the usual yard stuff. No room to work on it, no heat, no electricity so I have to wait. But I love the new ride even after a total of all of 12 miles :roll: . It's possible there is no t'stat in it which is why it takes forever to warm up and idle without choke. Gauge should still read something though, move a little, but no, nothing.




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