DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !


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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:12 am



Peter Sever, who rode his Goldwing around the world, wrote me about his Metzler experience:
I do not badmouth Metzeler because they meant well and sent me FREE tires to New Delhi India
which was pretty damned nice of them and I was desperate. There are NO Goldwing tires in India, I emailed for weeks in advance and my Israel-bought ME/880 had 25,00 km on them! Metzeler-Pilelli kindly shipped them from Italy by air. Wow. and FREE I was soooo grateful.

Except the rear one delaminated slightly in Thailand after maybe 3000 km.
Lucky me they had an extra one and gave it to me for free again! Wow.
They denied this was anything but a one in a zillion chance.

EXCEPT — get this — the new one (bought in Bangkok) delaminated at maybe 5,000 km!!
TWO IN A ROW. Life threatening too, discovered up a hush trail way up on a remote volcano.

BUT METZELER AS GENEROUS AS THEY WERE TO ME, BOLD FACED LIEDTHAT THEY HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS BEFORE.
TWO IN A ZILLION CHANCE AND IT JUST HAPPENED TO ME.

Bald and delaminated Metzeler tire
Bald and delaminated Metzeler tire

This is detailed more on his block, specifically the Delhi/India portion. I will WARN YOU: do not visit this blog unless you have HOURS and perhaps DAYS to spend reading, because it will suck you in!!

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by gnirwin » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:27 pm

I'm replacing a Metzler that is badly delaminated. Mine looks exactly like the O.P.'s

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by dwarven1 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm

Well, hell. I thought I was the only one. Here's my ME880 last year with less than 8000 miles on it - two years old. (Please don't give me grief about the low mileage, OK?)
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Post by FM-USA » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:58 am

dwarven1, looks like that tire is primed & ready for some hill climbing.

AMAZING Metzeler continues to deny this problem.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by dwarven1 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:13 pm

Big Blue UK wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:53 pm
From what I understand, Metzler make/made Goldwing specific ME880's, the front is ME880GL, the rear is ME880G.
Oh, this just keeps getting better and better. I just remembered that I swapped out my rear three years ago because I discovered a couple of cracks in the tread on my rear tire. Just looked at the pix I took, and I'm not sure from the tread if it's a Metzeler Marathon or not. IF I bought it, it was. If it was the tire from the last guy... who remembers.

Anyway, after reading this thread, I went to go pull off the front - taking it to the shop tomorrow morning because it's got a slow leak. Metzeler Marathon 888. Joy. What did I replace that POS last year with? Yeah, you got it. Marathon 880. And it looks like it's the H version, not the G version. Pretty sure the shop ordered it special for me, too.



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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by MikeB » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:47 pm

Big Blue UK wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:53 pm
From what I understand, Metzler make/made Goldwing specific ME880's, the front is ME880GL, the rear is ME880G.
Occasionally I have used Metzler since the 70's, and never had a problem, I have a 880 on the front of Big Blue that is almost at the end of its life. Is your 880 a GoldWing 880, if not, then the fitter should fit a GoldWing 880 free of charge. Because you have had three with the same problem, I can only assume you have 880 H that is for the VTX1800.

I only mention this because no one else has mentioned ME880 GoldWing specific.
Is there a source for your information about an ME880GL and ME880G? I can not find any source information with regard to differing tires by Metzler for a Goldwing.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Dennis613l » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:33 am

Dennis613l wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:46 pm
I had same problem a few years ago.
Not many miles on it either.....
I've had no problems with the tire on my lighter bike.....87 Honda Super Magna VF750c.....

But, I honestly don't think these tires should be sold or rated for the much heavier GW's.....whether it is defect or just caused by the heavy load.....
After my experience with the tire coming apart....one good thing happened which was that I went dark side with an Austone tire and never looked back.

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Post by imsbreezy » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:07 pm

2 weeks ago had an 880 do the same thing. Fortunately we made it home with no issues, but lost 2 sections of tread. Can't get 880's anymore so hopefully the 888's work better. Really liked the tires otherwise tho!

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by WheezyRider » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:50 am

Scary when tire manufacturers don't speak the truth: They kill bikers. Metzler is owned by Pirelli. You'd think they would be extremely cautious, but they are not and they BS-cover-up when you tell them, knowing full well they have a worldwide delimitation problem!

My Metzler nightmare happened atop a volcano gravel road near Maumere Indonesia which is mid-nowhere. I did a precautionary lie-on-the-road tire check and thank heaven I did. LOOK AT THE DELAMINATION I DISCOVERED ON ALMOST NEW TIRES bought a few weeks previously in Thailand. They had maybe 4,000 km on them.

I'm the sole guy to take a GL1800 round world. Here's a link to the page of my blog where the tale is described. http://www.wheezyrider.com/search/label ... 0Eastwards

I altered Metzler by email with photos. Their answer from a lying technician was "normal wear and tear." Ass-covering liar. Worldwide they had the identical problem, it subsequently turns out. Shame shame shame on them. I wonder how many Wingers they killed or hospitalized.

It took about 10 days of waiting to get a new tire send from Singapore and that was via FedEx "overnight" (held up at Customs for a week).

It's DELAMINATION on Metzlers which is such a shame because they were my absolute favorite tire due their amazing longevity and grip on bad surfaces. Bought them in Israel because it's what they had. Rode them to Delhi India via Italy and North Africa a distance of about 22,000 km. THE TIRES LASTED, amazing on mostly horrible roads, much of them gravel. So I begged Metlzer to send me replacements to India, they did. But they delaminated! So I tried again in Thailand. AGAIN delaminated.

They lied about it and they continued too sell defective tires. That's the part that's hardest to forgive and forget.

We lived through it but were doing a lot of scary road driving on mountainsides.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:01 pm

After reading all of this thread, I feel lucky to have survived my sole experience with Metzler tires.

But, in all fairness, the bike I put them on was a '94 Honda ST-1100

I rode them about a 1,000 miles before the bike was sold.
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Post by 280slbuff » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:46 pm

My Metzler days are over - had an oil and filter change on my 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner and asked the tech to check the battery and tires.
His comment was positive - battery is strong you will need to think about replacing tires in 2000 miles.
I took a 150 mile ride the next day and was horrified to see two steel belts showing as I walked away from the bike - 4920 miles is far too soon to get this amount of tire wear. Back to SCorpions for me!
You can't argue with the superior traction with Metzler BUT traction won't save your life when you are running a blowout!s

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Post by topgun » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:51 pm

Are the ME888 Marathon Ultras also in this or just the 880 series?

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Post by MikeB » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:37 pm

Personally I would say stay away from all the Metzlers. This issue has been going on for several years and I have a tendency to believe that it is not limited to just the 880's.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by edaddy0 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:22 pm

I had a rear Metzler tire blow out a year ago on my 1500 with my wife onboard at 70mph. Luckily got it to the shoulder without wrecking. I had to put a Metzler back on it since we were out of town after 5pm and had no options at the time. Need a front tire now and need suggestions on a replacement for it and the rear before we have anymore issues.

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Post by MikeB » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:53 pm

I have had great use out of Avon tires for several years. But last year I had to return one because it was out of round. The return and replacement process was fairly painless if you don't count having to dismount, box it up and then remount the new one when it arrived. Had I not been doing my own tire mounting and balancing, it could have been costly.

So, I am now using the Dunlop E4 tires on both my bikes. I've heard good things about the E4 and the older Dunlop tires always got pretty good press.

the new E4's are tracking well and they are smooth and sticky. Liking them so far.
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Post by edaddy0 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:13 am

Thanks for the info.

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by DenverWinger » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:23 am

Last Metzler I bought was for my Suzuki GS-550 many years ago. It performed well, even a cross-country (1300 mi ea way) trip, but that was many years ago and a much lighter bike.

I've been running Dunlops on my GL-1100 since I got it in '05, never paid attention to which model they were, but they've always given satisfactory performance.

The 1500 Aspencade I acquired this year came with a set of Dunlop E3's, the rear was just about worn out and had a slow leak so I replaced it with an E4. The front E3 still has 60% of life left, so I'm currently riding mixed tires. I did notice improved handling with the new rear E4, and the bike performed extremely well this Sept riding two-up and pulling 550 Lb camper trailer on a 3000 mile trip, even at 80MPH on some stretches of Interstate highway.

Remains to be seen what the longevity of the E4 will be, but they are supposed to outlast the E3s. No major wear on the road trip, so it looks like I'll get some good mileage from this tire. It will be interesting to see how it handles with E4 both front and rear after the front E3 wears out.

So in short, I've been pleased with Dunlop and have no reason to try other brands.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Solina Dave » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:23 pm

dwarven1 wrote:
Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm
Well, hell. I thought I was the only one. Here's my ME880 last year with less than 8000 miles on it - two years old. (Please don't give me grief about the low mileage, OK?)
That looks criminal to me! That tire shouldn't be falling to pieces like that, under any normal circumstances. Metzeler's off the list! Thanks for the posting Winger76.


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Post by dtrider » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:47 am

FWIW: I had some Metzlers on my previous bike (2006 Yamaha Royalstar). Didn't really like the way they handled, and if I remember correctly they only lasted about half a season (around 5000 miles).

I have some Dunlop E4s on my bike now. Put them on the middle of last year. They currently have 12,000 miles on them and look like they could still go a couple more thousand. They were a little squirrel y when I first got them (the groove around the center of the front tire would try to track any grooves in the road), but they settled down after a bit. I'll probably finish out this season with them and then replace them with another set of E4s over the winter.

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Spook1800 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:13 am

Can't disagree with the OP more. I have 2 Wings and a Harley Road King. I run Metzler ME880's on them all and could not be happier. I originally changed to these tyres on the recommendation of a local bike dealership owner who ran them on his ST1100 some 15 years or so back. They wear well, are great in the wet and that hang on like flypaper in the twisties. This of course is only my experience with them. I have plenty of mates who have bought them on my recommendation over the years and have not heard one negative comment.
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Post by wiretician » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:09 pm

Took my 1200 to a "Honda" dealership, new to Goldwings, about 8 years ago. Had hard, dry rotted tires on it when I got it. Trusted them to recommend the proper tire. They put on Dunlop D404's, as they informed me that the Goldwing tire (Elite III) didn't come in the size the 1200 needed. They were down to nearly slick in about 5000 mi. Buddy at work put me on to a mom n' pop MC tire business, only thing they do is motorcycle tires. They told me that they were the wrong tire for that heavy of a bike. Fellow rider at work highly recommended Metzlers, so I put ME880s on. They didn't have a problem, but I kept a watch on them, when they got to where I noticed low tread depth, was planning to change them, all of a sudden the tread was gone. When it should have been months to run that much tread off. Got the 1500, which had Elite 3s, and parked the 1200. 1500 is gone now, trying to get 1200 back on road. Put 10,000 miles on elites, and don't know how much had been put on the tires before me. And had a good bit more to go. However, while laying down on the ground, removing saddlebags and such from 1200, saw a cord patch on rear tire (Metzler ME880), spun the tire to look, and to my horror there were several patches of cord showing. As for me, I'm impressed with the Elite 3s, and will stick with them, when I get to the point of needing tires.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by wilmo » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:24 pm

Umm you'll have to go with E4's as the E3's have been discontinued. That's ok because I've had both and hated the E3's. The E4's are a much better tire. They are a little spendy but I feel worth that extra. My E3's started to crack and split the sidewalls long before the tread was used up, and this was on a 1200. Happy with the E4



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