DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !


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DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Winger76 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:21 pm



Fellow Wingers,

I have posted about this problem before and just wanted to let everyone know.
Please, I beg of you, DO NOT PURCHASE MEZTLER TIRES !
They are a total POS.
Please see attached pics.
This specific tire is a Marathon 880 and only had about 2500 miles on it.
Not only are they junk, you are putting your life or a passengers in danger along with fellow riders around you.
Luckily I was only one up.
This is the third tire I have put on my 96 GL1500 SE in four years and the same issue has produced the same results of splitting and de-laminating
Isn't that the definition of insanity ?
There is nothing more unnerving than tooling down the highway at 70 mph and hearing THWAP...THAWP...THWAP....
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:23 pm

I've used Metzlers for a number of years - put some long miles on them, never had that problem.

Two front tyres on cx500 and one on my GL1500 that is due to be replaced - glad you didn't harm yourself.

What type of roads are you travelling on and the pressure in the tyres ??

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by MikeB » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:53 pm

There was a three-page article in Wing World from Bruce Johnson about his run in with the Metzler ME 880 bias ply tires on his GL1500. It is an excellent article including pictures of the failed rear tire. This is in the September 2008 Issue of Wing World magazine, pages 56 through 58 and it is available here online at http://wingworldmag.com/wing_issue/september-2008/. The title of the article is Rescued in Iowa: Everything that is right about GWRRA.
Here is a picture of his tire from the magazine:


A few months prior to this article appearing in the Wing World magazine, one of our friends in our GWRRA chapter experienced an identical failure on the rear Metzler ME 880 of his ‘90 GL1500. At that time he thought it was a fluke and had a new set of ME880's mounted on his '90 GL1500. I don't recall if it was a warranty replacement or not.


Since reading this article and then having the same problem with his son’s ME880’s, he has now removed the ME880’s from his GL1500. His son had a '87 GL1200 Aspencade and he too experienced the separation and loss of tread in two different places on the rear tire of his Metzler ME880.

A call was made to Metzler in an attempt to see if they were aware of the problem and/or make them aware there is a continuing problem. The individual at Metzler who answered the call only said that if he had a problem to report it to the NHTSA if he felt like it and gave him the number to call. So, he did and left a message. A Mr. Mark Swanson, Safety Defense Investigator with the National Highway Safety Administration, returned his call. Pictures of the failed tires have been sent to Mr. Swanson along. Also, Mr. Swanson had sent a prepaid return shipping authorization for the tire carcass. This most recent defective tire was shipped to them. We never heard anymore about it. He said that if anyone else had issues with these tires that he wanted to hear about it. His email is mark.swanson@dot.gov . His phone number is 202-366-7020.

No one we know in our riding circle will ever buy or use a Metzler ME880 again.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:09 pm

I'm not defending Metzler - but the article you mention was 2008 - maybe things have changed since then?

:)

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Post by MikeB » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:19 pm

You are most probably correct but no one I know trusts their butt to an ME800. There are really too many choices out there to pick a tire that let you down not once but twice.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by aj1500 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:40 pm

not trying to beat up Metzler but I had a rear tire failure just like that a few years back on an almost new tire, it happened the day after returning from a trip 2 up pulling our camper, it was in Jan. so heat wasn't a factor and I keep on top of my tires so pressure was not a factor
you couldn't give me a Metzler free to put on the wing
my son has the Metzlers on his Shadow and has not seen any issues, I think the Wings are just too heavy for them regardless of what they say their rated for

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Post by newday777 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:08 pm

I had 3 ME880s do the same on my GL1100A and a friend with another 83 Aspencade also had 3 do the same, all on the rear tires. Metzler was made aware of all 6 tires. They paid for 2 of mine, one of my friends.
I refuse to buy another tire from them.

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Big Blue UK » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:53 pm

From what I understand, Metzler make/made Goldwing specific ME880's, the front is ME880GL, the rear is ME880G.
Occasionally I have used Metzler since the 70's, and never had a problem, I have a 880 on the front of Big Blue that is almost at the end of its life. Is your 880 a GoldWing 880, if not, then the fitter should fit a GoldWing 880 free of charge. Because you have had three with the same problem, I can only assume you have 880 H that is for the VTX1800.

I only mention this because no one else has mentioned ME880 GoldWing specific.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by harvey01 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:23 pm

Big Blue KY has a wonderful insight to this problem. You, the rider has to make sure the dealer tech does install the correct tire for your bike. The websites of the various manufacturers list this type of info and the consumer needs to make sure you are buying the correct item. I trust a dealer tech as far as I can throw him.

Also there is no mention of the manufacture date of the failed tires. Were they more than 4 years old at the time of failure. Again it is the consumers responsibility to insure that an installed tire is as new as possible. My personal limit is for its date of manufacture to be no more that 12 months prior and I really don't want that tire. A dealer will try to see what he has in stock rather than order a new one. Plus he can get the job done today rather than you having to wait 2-3 days for the new tire to be shipped in--Be careful.
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by newday777 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:26 pm

5 of the 6 I mentioned were 2 year or less tires

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Post by Big Blue UK » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:41 pm

newday777 wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:26 pm
5 of the 6 I mentioned were 2 year or less tires
I must say though, those pictures, bloody nora, never seen anything like it, glad it did not throw you off.
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Post by PedroTQ » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:51 am

Oh $#!?, I just bought a set :(
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Post by FM-USA » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:40 am

When you see a tire DeLam like that, the carcass wasn't hot enough to accept the hot rubber.
Late 1970's Bandag had the same problem, carcass to cold during retreading.
"Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W.C. Have a wonderful flat tire day while doing 99mph.

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Dennis613l » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:46 pm

I had same problem a few years ago.
Not many miles on it either.....
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Post by FM-USA » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:01 pm

2 years ago I had a Battlax crack its sidewalls.
Cracked open so large you can see its innards (carcass).

So this problem isn't just one or two MFG's not is it one type of tire compound. It's during the assembly where the problem lays. :shock:
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Post by harvey01 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:51 pm

Pedro TQ, keep them properly inflated according to the manufacturers recommendation, check often and enjoy the ride!

Winger76, Have you sent a letter to Metzler including pictures? I am convinced that sometimes it takes a piece of paper to get the manufacturer to help out with a new tire or at least a partial rebate of purchase price!
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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by cbonntt » Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:42 am

I had a set of 880’s on my ’92 GL1500 SE. With less than 3000 miles the rear tire budged out the size of my fist. We had just taken a ride over the Big Horn Mountains in Wyoming and had been running the posted speed limit (75) returning to Montana on I-90. As we accelerated from the off ramp at 25 mph, the bike wobbled big time. Only 2 miles to home so I rode it out. Put the bike on the main stand and rotated the tire to see the delamation. Wow I’m glad it did not happen at 75 and cause a crash. I went back to Dunlops. I’ll never ride on Metzelers again.

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by gl1000gol » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:06 am

I have not purchased the Metzler tire in question, but here is Google link of others having problems with the tire(s).

Metzeler ME880 motorcycle tires failure
https://www.google.com/search?safe=acti ... 0293&cad=h

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by captdecker » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:08 pm

On my GL1500 I liked the K177's for mileage and comforted in feel and handing.

I put a set of 880 on my 06 GL1800 when new to me. No fail ,though showed heavy wear by 6000 miles and was done at 8000 with front close to it's limit too. I did talk to the Metzler reg at Wing Ding last year he told me to put a pound or two above the bike PSI rating and that should help with mileage. That short of life and what I see here one set is all that I will have. (buying two set's in one years hurts)

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Post by jtornese » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:20 pm

[img]Here is my Last Metzler tire I ever owned! It had less than 5000 miles on it and I really didn't inspect it as often as I should have, but when I saw this AFTER riding in heavy rain on the interstate all day, I was terrified to ride it home the remaining 70 miles. No Way should a "touring" tire be bald through 2 sets of cords, before it goes 5000 miles

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Post by 702scottc » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:25 pm

That's a shame, I was always under the assumption they where good tires. I had the same thing happen to me a couple of years ago on my 1500, I was running Kenda. Never again, OE recommended from now on. Hard lesson learned.

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Re: DO NOT PURCHASE METZLER TIRES !

Post by Winger76 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:43 am

Follow up on the post about the Metzler...
I took both the front and rear M880 off and replaced with the Dunlop Elite 4.
Just got them scuffed in to wear the newness off of them (about 100 mi).
So far.. So good... I hoping no more issues with them except when they need replaced as they reach their useful life.
Harvey01... I did contact Metzler regarding the problem via their web site, and nothing but crickets from them.
I did reached out to the local tire rep and they did prorate the 1st and 2nd tire which was a pittance compared to the initial cost of the tires.
I again contacted Metzler on this third tire and as expected, no response.
I am a absolutely done with Metzler !

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Post by 702scottc » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:16 am

You can't go wrong with elite Dunlops, factory recommended tire. It's a lot of work to replace the rear tire on the 1500, you won't have issues with Dunlop.

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Post by AlanH » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:49 pm

Ditto on the Metzler 880's. I rode Yamaha Ventures for years and tried them a couple of times with no issues, but others in our Venture Forum had delamination problems years ago so I quit using them. Fast forward to my tire change before last and I decided to give them a try on the Wing. Sure enough with less than 5,000 miles, my rear tire threw a "chunk" on the left side of the contact patch. Somehow I'd missed it in my weekly checks, but found it in time. I'm done with Metzler. And "NO, I was riding in a perpetual left turn.... :lol:



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Post by FM-USA » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:28 pm

So far none of these tires posted here has come close to Dusty's tire a few years back.


"Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip." W.C. Have a wonderful flat tire day while doing 99mph.

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