All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by phochief » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:09 am



WingAdmin wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:18 pm
phochief wrote:
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Is the touchscreen usable when the bike is in motion? Can I select a POI (gas station, restaurant, etc) on the GPS while riding?
That's a good question, and if history repeats itself, the Honda lawyers will have locked out that ability.
You're probably right. Guess Harley's lawyers are better in that regard. All they need is an "Agree" button to push before allowing the GPS and other screen functions to be used by touch screen (like Garmin Zumo). I like some of the other features like the new suspension and motorized windshield, but not the reduced luggage space and smaller fairing "sport bike" look. I bought my Wing because it's a big comfortable bike for long range touring.

Without an easily usable GPS and touch screen that is active while in motion, this will be another year I won't be upgrading. Plus, there's still no yellow colors??? My 2010 will last many many more years.



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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by phone_trouble » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:21 am

I wonder if they moved the air filter?
Any idea if a CB is available? We still use ours to communicate with others in our group, nice to make announcements so everyone knows where we are going.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:53 am

As I lay in bed falling asleep last night, this thought came to mind: The trunk/rear seat on the new Gold Wing is an OPTION. It can be added to the non-Tour version of the bike, or deleted from the Tour version if you don't want it. It is removable - it is NOT an integral part of the bike's back end like it has been since the GL1200.

What does that mean? It means that there is a ripe opportunity for aftermarket manufacturers to step in and make their OWN trunks, trunks with much larger storage capacity.

Same goes for the saddlebags. Someone could start building new saddlebag doors that give the saddlebags more storage capacity.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by GramKate » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:02 am

I was really excited to see the 2018 Goldwing. The pictures and specs made it seem like a bike that I would like to upgrade to. Until I saw that the radio is Apple based. What a stupid thing to do. We are Android people in my home and will not be switching no matter what. Another problem is the loss of luggage space and the fact that the trunk still won't accept a helmet. Now that I've seen the 2018, I won't be upgrading to that bike. Honda still isn't listening to what their fans and loyal riders would like to have in and on these motorcycles.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingMan71 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:06 am

Well... I like most of it, including the overall look of the bike, the reduced weight, most of the high-tech stuff and the DCT transmission.

My main complaint is the drastically reduced storage capacity! What the heck is Honda thinking? This is supposed to be a two-up, long-distance touring bike. The current GL1800 is already lacking in proper storage space for a good long trip. This is almost a deal breaker for me. Maybe they'll make the bags bigger on the 2019 model after the rash of complaints they are likely to get about it.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:13 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:53 am
As I lay in bed falling asleep last night, this thought came to mind: The trunk/rear seat on the new Gold Wing is an OPTION. It can be added to the non-Tour version of the bike, or deleted from the Tour version if you don't want it. It is removable - it is NOT an integral part of the bike's back end like it has been since the GL1200.

What does that mean? It means that there is a ripe opportunity for aftermarket manufacturers to step in and make their OWN trunks, trunks with much larger storage capacity.

Same goes for the saddlebags. Someone could start building new saddlebag doors that give the saddlebags more storage capacity.
Actually, come to think of it, Honda should produce as an option, a much larger trunk, that people could specify when ordering their bike. For those of us who don't care that the oversized storage doesn't "fit the look of the new bike." :)

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by garym » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:37 am

When the ‘new’ GL1800 was introduced I had two major disappointments. First, the rider was moved forward just enough to where it felt a little tight. Second, the new motor lacked the hydraulic lifters my ’93 SE has. I will admit that there have been several times I was tempted to ‘upgrade’, but I never pulled the trigger. When rumors of the 2018 Goldwing began, I just knew it would finally be time. Or so I thought.

Like everyone else, I do like the new styling, the electronics, the new suspension, the windshield, and several other things. If this were the upgrade from the ST1100, it would be perfect. Although, BMW seems to have more HP and less weight if that’s the primary concern.

I think Honda has lost their way. The Goldwing has always been the ‘Gold’ Standard for touring bikes, not an overweight sport bike. Compared to my old ’93, I lose 43% of my storage capacity. When was the last trip I took where I had 43% empty bags? Shorter wheelbase and moving the rider closer to the windshield means even less space for the rider, and I was already concerned about the GL1800. And for all their weight saving efforts? It’s pretty close to my GL1500SE and still heavier than the BMW.

And, I can hear the sales pitch to the cook. “Honey, you’ll have more wind buffeting, and won’t be quite as comfortable, but I’ll have all these gadgets”. Yeah, that’ll work just fine and I won’t tell her the part about my Android isn’t compatible, so even the gadget thing is diminished.

I’m glad I’ve been keeping up with all the maintenance on that old ’93 SE. It’s going to stay in the stable and my money stays in the bank. I’ll wait another 15 years for the next upgrade (?). I’ll bet the BMW folks are throwing a party for the Goldwing development team.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by hossross » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:30 am

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On the video the tester says that it pulls much stronger out of the corners in midrange, but the now published torque/hp curves (without the X/Y axis actual number of course) show no difference at all in the midrange, and just a slight increase in both towards redline. Yes, the power/weight ratio is much better, but that would equate to better pull in any gear and in any RPM range, not just midrange.
Ideas anyone?
[Comments from hossross: The riders observation falls clearly in the perception category, which is a valid category. If you look at the new vs old torque curves there are differences In specific rpm intervals. Even if there wasn't, assuming the bike is in a lower gear with the additional gears and even if in the equivalent gear ie 3rd vs 3rd the ratio is different which will equate to operating in a different (probably higher) rpm. Hence more power, the real information we need is what rpm, and gear is the rider in on both bikes when making the observation of "pulls better". Long story short, YES it definitely could pull better, so the perception is valid. We have run the same experiment with exhaust noise, the rider will say the louder exhaust is faster and pulls better when actual performance is equal, so perception does not always = reality. Sorry, I didn't use the right comment format, but message is the same ]

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by phandrews » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:31 pm

So yeah, I'd love to try this new bike. I think the redesign is mostly a plus - especially the new front end. But man, I don't know how my wife would cram all her stuff into this one. Adding heated jackets to all that really makes it tight. We keep our 2008 GL1800 in Europe and tour up to two weeks at a time. Maybe adding a small bag on the optional rear rack would suffice. Dunno how much weight it can carry, and who wants weight up that high?

And the thing I've liked least about the bike is dragging the footpegs at moderate lean angles, even with the shock preload maxed out. Now it turns out that it's the same with the new bike. A real bummer.

So OK, this would be a great mile-burner on open highways lacking sharp curves for a weekend trip. But if I were upgrading I'd be taking a serious look at the BMW K1600GTL.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by ZAN » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:40 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:13 am
WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:53 am
As I lay in bed falling asleep last night, this thought came to mind: The trunk/rear seat on the new Gold Wing is an OPTION. It can be added to the non-Tour version of the bike, or deleted from the Tour version if you don't want it. It is removable - it is NOT an integral part of the bike's back end like it has been since the GL1200.

What does that mean? It means that there is a ripe opportunity for aftermarket manufacturers to step in and make their OWN trunks, trunks with much larger storage capacity.

Same goes for the saddlebags. Someone could start building new saddlebag doors that give the saddlebags more storage capacity.
Actually, come to think of it, Honda should produce as an option, a much larger trunk, that people could specify when ordering their bike. For those of us who don't care that the oversized storage doesn't "fit the look of the new bike." :)
I agree, I don't need a back seat, I just use it to carry stuff. Make a trunk that uses all that space with a built in back rest and make it on rails so it can be somewhat adjustable.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by khspe2 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:46 pm

I guess a new Forum on the website will now need to be created. What will it be called? Is there a Model Name other than GoldWing?

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by ZAN » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:50 pm

Two new models added to the line up












I photo shopped the "Singles" :lol:
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by hwkfan » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:10 pm

Nice! Thanks for sharing all the info!
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by thboyd29 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:29 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:53 am
As I lay in bed falling asleep last night, this thought came to mind: The trunk/rear seat on the new Gold Wing is an OPTION. It can be added to the non-Tour version of the bike, or deleted from the Tour version if you don't want it. It is removable - it is NOT an integral part of the bike's back end like it has been since the GL1200.

What does that mean? It means that there is a ripe opportunity for aftermarket manufacturers to step in and make their OWN trunks, trunks with much larger storage capacity.

Same goes for the saddlebags. Someone could start building new saddlebag doors that give the saddlebags more storage capacity.
Yup. There's lots of aftermarket seat makers out there. There might be somewhat more effort involved in molding/painting ABS plastic, but if there's money to be made, someone will figure out a way.
Heck, someone might even put out completely chrome version of the enlarged trunk/saddlebag lids...
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by thboyd29 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:33 pm

ZAN wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:50 pm
Two new models added to the line up

I photo shopped the "Singles" :lol:
Nicely done!

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by mytown » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:43 pm

How do the sidebags open? From the side or from the top? Any pictures of the bags open? I have always appreciated the top loading bags on my GL1100, never cared for the side loaders on my GL500, everything inside just seems to pour out when opened. My math shows the new storing capacity to be about 1.5 cubic feet less than the older models. Doesn't seem like an insurmountable reduction to me.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by ZAN » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:58 pm






An improvement on the Single I made. it's now called the Goldwing Single Skirt and my rendition of a Police version.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by coolrogue1 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:16 pm

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The fact that a CB requires a long antenna (because of its long wavelength) in order to efficiently transmit and receive, and there appears to be NO antennae of any kind on the new bike, leads me to believe that CB does not exist on the new Gold Wing. I see no evidence of CB controls or display either.
The CB, CB controls, and CB antenna are all available as accessories.....go figure


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by fuzzydog » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:31 pm

I need to start saving my Penney's :D

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:56 am

Wow, that's a really tiny trunk.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:15 pm

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Wow, that's a really tiny trunk.
I guess if I ever buy this bike despite the tiny baggage and the lawnmower engine I'll have to make peace with the size of my trunk.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by rachester67 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:31 pm

FYI for those that don't have Goldwing GPS systems. There is a setting on the GPS to show you POIs but most of the time they don't give all that much information. You can tell the difference between a gas pump and a slice of pizza but for others the fork/spoon plate don't tell you much just have to drive by it and decide then. If you stop you can search different things by category and will get a list of things available and chose the one you like. As for the guys bitching about stopping more often for gas because of the smaller tank you will actually be stopping the same distance as before and spending less at the pump for that stop so if you ask me its a win. I don't want to ride any longer than 200 miles without stopping and stretching my legs. I do the same in a cage. Maybe its just the little bladder. :lol:

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by MikeB » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:36 pm

WingVetteGSXR wrote:
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... lawnmower engine ...
Seriously?
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:28 pm

MikeB wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:36 pm
WingVetteGSXR wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:15 pm
... lawnmower engine ...
Seriously?
I guess I meant that term as an expression of my frustration with a 5-7 HP increase. I'm sure from an engineer's office standpoint, it's an accomplishment. Slight HP increase while cutting 20mm and 8 pounds. I understand this But as a 34 year long owner of three models, Honda has missed the opportunity to turn this machine into a real performer. Especially since they're trying to attract a younger crowd. Maybe they're figuring six or seven close ratio gears and 80 pounds of weight will make the difference? But much of that weight reduction is due to fuel, and what appears to be a lack of capable tipover bars, but I can't tell from the pictures if they're integral to the engine case or covered up. (In addition to bags, engine and starter contribution to weight reduction.)

How is it worth the investment that went into a ground up engine redesign for this amount of gain? Very perplexing, given so many exciting upgrades in suspension and electronics.

This, and even more importantly the storage issue,(along with the less important items of needing to spend $1,000 extra for my wife's seat, fuel reduction, and what initially sounds like overly loud pipes) caused me to pull my two month old deposit yesterday after years of waiting for this.

The storage issue might be fixed in a couple years with OEM or aftermarket products, but I'm not getting any younger. The engine is here to stay. If reflashing, improved induction air flow and pipes would make a difference (legally), I'm sure that would have already been done at the factory.



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