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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:37 pm



Curious about your overdrive statement. DCT 5-7, MT 4-6.

(DCT) 1st: 2.167 2nd: 1.696 3rd: 1.304 4th: 1.038 5th: 0.821 6th: 0.667 7th: 0.522 Rev: 1.190
(MT) 1st: 2.200 2nd: 1.417 3rd: 1.036 4th: 0.821 5th: 0.667 6th: 0.522
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Nice to see they finally offer the DTC transmission, but sorry to see that they didn't make both 6th and 7th OD. My 1500 runs 3250 RPM at 75 mph in OD which is ridiculous, an engine this big has plenty of torque to drop the rpms, few are riding a wing for performance anyway, and if so the sport mode can handle that with shift points and transition times. There are plenty of cars out there with smaller engines than this that run approx. 2000 rpm at cruising speeds. if the CD is that bad, then they should spend some time in the wind tunnel, as the frontal area is so much less than a car. I think they forgot the Voice of the Customer on the new design. I get that the DTC is probably longer and hence new packaging is needed with the new front susp type, but making the bike 1 inch longer to maintain the fuel capacity, and luggage space is a trade off in the design objectives. Now we will have to wait for 3 to 5 more years for them to fix, luggage capacity is just an appearance/ external item so it is easier to fix than the fuel tank which probably requires a more substantial packaging change. I wonder if the engine will be durable, and if they were able to go to hydraulic lifters?



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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by ZAN » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:42 pm

WingVetteGSXR wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:28 pm
MikeB wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:36 pm
WingVetteGSXR wrote:
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... lawnmower engine ...
Seriously?
and what appears to be a lack of capable tipover bars, but I can't tell from the pictures if they're integral to the engine case or covered up. (In addition to bags, engine and starter contribution to weight reduction.)
Here's a picture without the Tupperware.


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:07 pm

coolrogue1 wrote:
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The fact that a CB requires a long antenna (because of its long wavelength) in order to efficiently transmit and receive, and there appears to be NO antennae of any kind on the new bike, leads me to believe that CB does not exist on the new Gold Wing. I see no evidence of CB controls or display either.
The CB, CB controls, and CB antenna are all available as accessories.....go figure


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Weight and cost reduction. Bluetooth is overcoming CB. Wise decision IMHO. Plus, I don't use CB or AM/FM so I pulled the antennas. Now I have stumps sitting there. My iPhone and bluetooth headsets or iPhone cable to aux speaker input does it all. New bike won't need the cable for speakers. I have lots of problems with this new bike regarding the engine and storage, but this isn't one of them. :-)

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:11 pm

ZAN wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:42 pm
WingVetteGSXR wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:28 pm
MikeB wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:36 pm

Seriously?
and what appears to be a lack of capable tipover bars, but I can't tell from the pictures if they're integral to the engine case or covered up. (In addition to bags, engine and starter contribution to weight reduction.)
Here's a picture without the Tupperware.
IAmAZo3.jpg
Well done! Thanks! How did you get your hands on that? So now as long as these will stop the bike at about 45 degrees like my '03 does, that alleviates this concern. Thanks again.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:52 pm

WingVetteGSXR wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:11 pm
Well done! Thanks! How did you get your hands on that? So now as long as these will stop the bike at about 45 degrees like my '03 does, that alleviates this concern. Thanks again.
That picture is actually part of the very first post in this thread, if you go back and look: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=40481

The problem is though that every time your bike falls over, you are on the hook for replacing the chewed-up plastic covers. As a PC800 owner, I can tell you that this is not cheap, and especially now that Honda doesn't have them anymore. A fresh, non-chewed-up PC800 cover (there are four, just like the new Wing), when they can be found at all, now sell for over $100 apiece, used. Hope it's in your color...

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:22 pm

Thanks, and I wonder if they will stop the bike like they do on my '03 at a shallow enough angle to prevent any damage to fairing, mirror, whatever, and allow for the easy pickup? Not a rhetorical question, enquiring minds want to know.
Also, anyone know if two vest power ports and usb power to trunk or saddlebags is there? The new Yamaha has them.


WingAdmin wrote:
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WingVetteGSXR wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:11 pm
Well done! Thanks! How did you get your hands on that? So now as long as these will stop the bike at about 45 degrees like my '03 does, that alleviates this concern. Thanks again.
That picture is actually part of the very first post in this thread, if you go back and look: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=40481

The problem is though that every time your bike falls over, you are on the hook for replacing the chewed-up plastic covers. As a PC800 owner, I can tell you that this is not cheap, and especially now that Honda doesn't have them anymore. A fresh, non-chewed-up PC800 cover (there are four, just like the new Wing), when they can be found at all, now sell for over $100 apiece, used. Hope it's in your color...

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:23 pm

I know there is a USB port in the trunk, because you can plug your phone (iPhone only) into it in order for it to work with Apple CarPlay on the dash.

A couple of interesting tidbits: For those who can't get away from shifting with their foot, there is an available foot shifter from Honda that is basically a lever with a switch attached, and allows you to trigger shifts manually in the DCT with your foot. And the price for this complex piece of hardware (a switch, a bracket and a few pieces of metal)? $600. Sheesh!

DCT Foot Shifter
DCT Foot Shifter

Also, I was very surprised to find that the center stand is NOT standard, and is actually a $150 option! I know they are trying to cut weight, but deleting the center stand as a standard item on a huge touring bike, just to save a couple pounds? Another $150 gets you a center stand:

Center Stand
Center Stand

The very Harley-esque fiberglass coiled stick CB antenna (optional accessory) lists for $200:

CB Antenna
CB Antenna


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by MikeB » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:59 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:23 pm
Also, I was very surprised to find that the center stand is NOT standard, and is actually a $150 option! I know they are trying to cut weight, but deleting the center stand as a standard item on a huge touring bike, just to save a couple pounds? Another $150 gets you a center stand:
I believe the center stand is an option for the Gold Wing and Gold Wing DCT models but is included as standard equipment on the Gold Wing Tour and Tour DCT models.

I don't believe the F6B came with a center stand either.


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:04 pm

Some interesting engine images.

The engine, clearly showing the front crash bar bolted to the frame
The engine, clearly showing the front crash bar bolted to the frame


Internal DCT engine diagram
Internal DCT engine diagram


DCT diagram in walking mode and reverse
DCT diagram in walking mode and reverse


Exploded diagram of the six speed transmission
Exploded diagram of the six speed transmission


The engine layout with the DCT transmission
The engine layout with the DCT transmission


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Squishy Tia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:37 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:23 pm
I know there is a USB port in the trunk, because you can plug your phone (iPhone only) into it in order for it to work with Apple CarPlay on the dash.

A couple of interesting tidbits: For those who can't get away from shifting with their foot, there is an available foot shifter from Honda that is basically a lever with a switch attached, and allows you to trigger shifts manually in the DCT with your foot. And the price for this complex piece of hardware (a switch, a bracket and a few pieces of metal)? $600. Sheesh!

DCT Foot Shifter.jpg

Also, I was very surprised to find that the center stand is NOT standard, and is actually a $150 option! I know they are trying to cut weight, but deleting the center stand as a standard item on a huge touring bike, just to save a couple pounds? Another $150 gets you a center stand:

Center Stand.jpg

The very Harley-esque fiberglass coiled stick CB antenna (optional accessory) lists for $200:

CB Antenna.jpg
I'd pay for that option if it were configured as a heel/toe shifter. Otherwise I'd just stick to the quicker controls on the handlebars. At least with a heel/toe option my grandpa could actually get used to a DCT and still "feel" mostly like it's him in control. He's 83 and doesn't exactly do well with muscle memory, so "going with what you know" works best here, especially since he tends to "fat finger" the horn on accident at least once every ride. ;)

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Wingsconsin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:37 am

Not bashing anyone here --
But I have read a lot of comments about the bike being sportier and not tour worthy.
I think Honda is right on the mark here.
Ridership is going DOWN across motorcycling in general -
Most NEW riders are getting on Sport bikes (crotch rockets) and going all over the place.
The Goldwing is not going to be the same for them as it was for us...
Females are stepping UP to the front now-a-days as well - - off the pillion seat and onto the handlebars themselves.
Lighter? More Sporty? Less storage (think single rider) -
Want more storage ? Haul a Uni-go trailer would be my answer..
I had a 1100, 1200. (2) 1500s - and now a 1800
I LOVED the smaller lighter Wings best -
I rode the 1500 the most miles total - but it always felt a ponderous beast to me...
I prefer to rip around on my GS850 unless I have to make BIG miles in a day -- then the Wing is my vehicle of choice.
My average number of miles per year is around 11,000 and I live in Wisconsin where winter is coming today and staying until April.

The 2018 Goldwing Tour is everything I hoped it would be -- I can't afford it right now -- but it intrigues me ..
I KNOW I will own one someday -- probably get a low-mileage used on in 5 years
People resist change - and this is a big change -- but I think Honda knows what it is doing and this will prove to be a great motorcycle too.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:20 pm

If you define change as the loss of ability to tour two-up due to the two glove compartments they call saddlebags, then yes, I agree with you.
If you define "change" as not taking advantage of what should have been a real powerhouse, then no I don't.
I don't like pulling trailers. Been there, done that, have the T-shirt. Just not my cup of tea.
I've had the same Wings as you. 1500 fairly ponderous yes, but not the 1800. It's a beauty, just too long in the tooth re: technology and handling.
I'll have to learn to live with the engine. The saddlebags will have to be fixed before I write a check.
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Wingsconsin wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:37 am
Not bashing anyone here --
But I have read a lot of comments about the bike being sportier and not tour worthy.
I think Honda is right on the mark here.
Ridership is going DOWN across motorcycling in general -
Most NEW riders are getting on Sport bikes (crotch rockets) and going all over the place.
The Goldwing is not going to be the same for them as it was for us...
Females are stepping UP to the front now-a-days as well - - off the pillion seat and onto the handlebars themselves.
Lighter? More Sporty? Less storage (think single rider) -
Want more storage ? Haul a Uni-go trailer would be my answer..
I had a 1100, 1200. (2) 1500s - and now a 1800
I LOVED the smaller lighter Wings best -
I rode the 1500 the most miles total - but it always felt a ponderous beast to me...
I prefer to rip around on my GS850 unless I have to make BIG miles in a day -- then the Wing is my vehicle of choice.
My average number of miles per year is around 11,000 and I live in Wisconsin where winter is coming today and staying until April.

The 2018 Goldwing Tour is everything I hoped it would be -- I can't afford it right now -- but it intrigues me ..
I KNOW I will own one someday -- probably get a low-mileage used on in 5 years
People resist change - and this is a big change -- but I think Honda knows what it is doing and this will prove to be a great motorcycle too.


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by kevbek » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:44 pm

Agree with Wingsconsin...they didn't build these bikes for the members of this forum. Most of us haven't bought a new Wing in years. They're trying to get the younger 'old' folks back. Millennials can't afford these yet but the 30/40 year old crowds can if they're interested. Personally, I can't really afford it either (but I couldn't afford last year's either!) but if I could, I would.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:51 pm

phochief wrote:
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Is the touchscreen usable when the bike is in motion? Can I select a POI (gas station, restaurant, etc) on the GPS while riding?
According to the Navigation user manual, yes - there is no mention of any restrictions using it while riding.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:52 pm

If you haven't checked the first message in this thread lately, you might want to go check it out - as new information is found and old information is corrected, the first message in this thread has been updated. Check it out here: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing - Latest Info

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:55 pm

Big Red Bertha wrote:
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I still use the helmets with wired connection to the audio system. Will I be able to use my non-bluetooth communication system? Can you pre-route the navigation system on your home computer and transfer route to the system. Can you program navigation will moving?
Wired helmets are not supported - it is Bluetooth only.
You can create a route on the http://www.tripplanner.honda.com web site, download it to a USB stick, then plug the USB stick into your bike and upload the route into the navigation.
All documentation so far says that you can program and operate the navigation while moving.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by topgun » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:25 pm

re: Pics of engine without the Tupperware,
Haven't hear any word about the coil-on-plug ignition system yet.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:27 am

topgun wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:25 pm
re: Pics of engine without the Tupperware,
Haven't hear any word about the coil-on-plug ignition system yet.
What is there to know? It has one. I don't know if it's a wonderful idea to have fragile, hi-pot coils down low where they can get wet, banged up, etc...but they are there.

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Post by Big Red Bertha » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:44 am

Thanks for the info. Just what I needed.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by FM-USA » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:58 am

Trunk rack?
Looks more like a mosquito landing pad.

Left handlebar controls.
How many will get surgery for 4 inch thumb extensions? :twisted:

:? I'm not too thrilled with it.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by wncryder » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:55 am

A whopping 90# weight reduction! What a joke and insult to Goldwing riders! The redesign did little to actually lose the weight, Honda achieved the weight reduction by simply leaving off items Goldwing riders have come to expect as well as making everything else smaller.

No centerstand
No tip-over bars (Where are owners supposed to mount highway pegs/boards?)
Smaller gas tank
Smaller mirrors (To honda I guess safety doesn't matter)
Smaller windscreen (I have an oversize/tall windscreen on my 2012)
Smaller Fairing/less wind protection (This is why I didn't buy a 2001-2010 GL1800, waited for the 2012 with better wind protection)
Smaller side cases
Smaller trunk
No place to mount adequate passenger arm rests

I can make my 2012 lighter by removing and doing most of the things Mother Honda did to the 2018. NO THANKS!!! My 2012 handles great in the corners for a big bike, if I wanted better handling I would get a sportbike and put bags on it like I did when I owned a 2002 CBRXX Blackbird. And, I already took a storage reduction when I went from the 1998 GL1500 to my current 2012 GL1800, no way am I willing to do that again. And now, Honda wants more $$$ for less bike (although it does have a lot of "whizz-bang" technology, which I would never figure out anyway) NO THANKS!!!

Sadly, the much anticipated 2018 Goldwing proves my friend right, the new touring bike to buy in 2018 is the new Yamaha.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by phochief » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:00 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:51 pm
phochief wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:17 pm
Is the touchscreen usable when the bike is in motion? Can I select a POI (gas station, restaurant, etc) on the GPS while riding?
According to the Navigation user manual, yes - there is no mention of any restrictions using it while riding.
If that's really true, then it's a BIG plus! A 7" touchscreen navigation system that you can use - who would have guessed?! I still don't really like the skinny looking front fairing, the reduced luggage capacity and what appears to be a smaller passenger seat (?). Otherwise, if the new Bluetooth audio system works dependably and the navigation system can actually be used while travelling on the interstate, I might consider this one.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:11 am

phochief wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:00 am
WingAdmin wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:51 pm
phochief wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:17 pm
Is the touchscreen usable when the bike is in motion? Can I select a POI (gas station, restaurant, etc) on the GPS while riding?
According to the Navigation user manual, yes - there is no mention of any restrictions using it while riding.
If that's really true, then it's a BIG plus! A 7" touchscreen navigation system that you can use - who would have guessed?! I still don't really like the skinny looking front fairing, the reduced luggage capacity and what appears to be a smaller passenger seat (?). Otherwise, if the new Bluetooth audio system works dependably and the navigation system can actually be used while travelling on the interstate, I might consider this one.
While it is a 7" color screen, it is NOT a touchscreen. The various operations on the screen are controlled using a four-way cursor button on the left handgrip, as well as rotary controls and buttons on the shelter control in front of you.

Cockpit with left handgrip buttons in view
Cockpit with left handgrip buttons in view


Center controls - rotary push button
Center controls - rotary push button


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Stu_O » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:46 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:51 pm
According to the Navigation user manual, yes - there is no mention of any restrictions using it while riding.
You actually have a nav user manual for the 2018 model?

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by katchamor » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:33 am

According to the Honda dealer price list, the 2018 Goldwing family remains GL1800.



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