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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Coop19742 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:50 am



Navigation Maps - does anyone know what Garmin maps are being used in 2018 model? I have a 2015 GL1800 with Navigation that came with Garmin Map version 2014.2. In the fall of 2015 Honda offered an upgrade to Map version 2015.2. I was told that I would have to buy the upgrade even though I purchased bike in May of 2015. Rep at Honda Power sports suggested I wait a couple years to upgrade map version. I've been checking since then and Honda has not issued a upgrade to maps since version 2015.2. That is 2 years now without a upgrade being available. My Garmin Zumo590 (stand alone unit) is currently on Map version 2018.2. Honda has no answers for delay but Garmin tells me the delay is with Honda approving what they send to them. The 2018 model is supposed to come with 10 years of free upgrades to maps so I am having a real problem with Honda dropping support for all prior models that have navigation installed in bike. Just did trip from PA to FL and back and many roads on Zumo were not on 1800 navigation including major highways recently built to bypass cities. The other question that needs to be asked is if Honda has to approve upgrades to maps before they can be installed or does the upgrades come directly from Garmin. I wish Honda would just get out of Garmin's way so we the end users can benefit from Garmin's experience.



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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by gr8day8 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:11 pm

I think one of the things driving the shrinking wing is that the market for big bikes is shrinking. Both Honda's and Harley's are not appealing to younger millennials and both companies are worried about future sales as the sales trends are declining. Honda is attempting to expand market share and capture the typically smaller rider of Asian descent with a new concept in the NM4. Which I think are pretty cool and wouldn't mind one for a around town bike.

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Clearly the new Wing shares some of the styling hints and we can see the direction of future styles.

Against the trend of all things shrinking, I'm not. At 6' and 250# (my wife isn't tiny either), I appreciate a bigger bike on the open road and more space.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by MikeB » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:20 pm

Too bad the NM4 uses a chain drive.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by yoedgw » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:25 pm

Weight loss from a two-up, long-distance riding perspective.

2010 Weight Balance:
933 lb "Wet" (max per specs)
300 lb two fit riders
30+ lb riding gear (all the time)
150 lb stuff in the cases (~1 lb/liter)
1413 lb total

2018 Weight Balance
1413 lb (of 2010) - 90 lb (for the 2018 weight loss program) = 1323 lb total

Was it worth all the buzz around it? Do you really care for a 90 lb difference on a fully loaded long-distance tourer (especially when already so nicely balanced)? Here is a point for comparison: do you feel much of a difference between an empty tank and a full tank? That would be about 40 lb difference. I would trade an extra 90 lb for an extra 50 liter every day of the week, but this is only my opinion.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by jeffmd2 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:37 pm

I have not seen anyone mention that the trunk on the tour model does not have any lights and turn signals on it! This is a huge change from the current and former GL models. Rear lighting visibility is a big deal in stopping and turning or changing lanes. Anyone else see this a problem? Will need to add Hyperlights at least.
Also there appears to be a small black rear fender on the front wheel. I see this as another problem, it does not extend down low enough to keep road dirt, grime and other items from impacting the front cover of the engine.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Stew » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:48 pm

Maybe Honda could take this opportunity to introduce a Goldwing Tour XL with larger saddle bag and trunk capacity. Wouldn't take many new parts to accomplish. Sort of like how the Suburban is an extended length Tahoe. I'm sure most people who desire more storage would prefer this to be a factory option rather than relying on the aftermarket. Not sure how elegantly larger bags and trunk could be blended into the new design though, just thinkin' out loud :P
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by 89 1500 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:39 pm

I'm gonna be screwed when I have to retire my old 1500. The 2018 isn't for me. There's some slick tech that I would love but not for the sacrifices that I would have to make. I don't want a sport tourer if I did I'd be on a Kawasaki Concourse 1400. The 2018 wouldn't be able to handle my travel load without strapping crap down on the tupperware. Too bad Victory went to the wayside in favor of Indian the Cross Country Tour had a lot of what I was looking for in a replacement for my old girl. I guess I will keep looking for a used 18 and see what's next from the other manufacturers. Still going to go ride the thing when the dealership gets one in but purchase is out.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by phochief » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:25 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:11 am
phochief wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:00 am
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According to the Navigation user manual, yes - there is no mention of any restrictions using it while riding.
If that's really true, then it's a BIG plus! A 7" touchscreen navigation system that you can use - who would have guessed?! I still don't really like the skinny looking front fairing, the reduced luggage capacity and what appears to be a smaller passenger seat (?). Otherwise, if the new Bluetooth audio system works dependably and the navigation system can actually be used while travelling on the interstate, I might consider this one.
While it is a 7" color screen, it is NOT a touchscreen. The various operations on the screen are controlled using a four-way cursor button on the left handgrip, as well as rotary controls and buttons on the shelter control in front of you.

Cockpit.jpg
2018-Honda-Gold-Wing-Center-Controls.jpg
Oh crap! So, just like my 2010, I would have to fiddle with buttons and 4 way toggle to select things on the screen? We're going to have to have some hands-on with this new setup to see if it's easily usable while on the road. I mean come on....my eleven-year-old Garmin Zumo 550 still has a great touchscreen, bluetooth, and all the features I want (mounted to by handlebar), but Honda still refuses to upgrade the 2018 Goldwing to an equally usable GPS navigation system?

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by hugger-4641 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:29 am

Honda is making some strange decisions across the board. I have a 2015 Civic SI that I bought new. I had planned to trade it in a couple years later when they got around to doing a turbo in the SI. Well, they finally did, but they didn't turbo the 2.4 IVTech that is in my car, they turbo'd the 2.0 . I might have swallowed my disappointment over this and traded anyway, but they added insult to injury when they put an electric e-brake in it also. Great feature if the wife was going to be driving my car, but who in the hell wants an electric e-brake in a sports car? Not that I do very much drifting or power sliding, but a manual e-brake has many uses that can't be duplicated with a push button. And, I'm not shelling out 40k+ for the type R, so I guess I'll drive my 2015 until Honda gets their head on straight, or Toyota comes back out with the Celica, whichever comes first. I know this is not a car forum, but thanks for letting me rant since I feel the same about the Goldwing. I'll keep riding my 1500 and enjoying my trunk space and leg room until Honda finally makes a comparable bike, or someone else like Victory finally does.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Stu_O » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:51 pm

Stew wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:48 pm
Maybe Honda could take this opportunity to introduce a Goldwing Tour XL with larger saddle bag and trunk capacity. Wouldn't take many new parts to accomplish. Sort of like how the Suburban is an extended length Tahoe. I'm sure most people who desire more storage would prefer this to be a factory option rather than relying on the aftermarket. Not sure how elegantly larger bags and trunk could be blended into the new design though, just thinkin' out loud :P
If Honda doesn't do it, you can bet that someone else will. One solution might be to make larger bag lids. Another might be to fit some sort of expanding option, similar to various BMW ADV panniers. I don't know whether Gen Xers or millennials will buy into the long distance, multi day lifestyle. But the typical Winger these days needs all the luggage space of the 1500 or 1800, plus a trailer. And that's just to go to a chapter meeting LOL! If you look at the accessories shown for the new bike, the saddlebag liners show just how narrow and odd shaped the bags are, at least on the bottom. That might be okay if one were loading 30 liters of a liquid or powder. But I'm thinking 30 liters of clothing and the typical stuff we carry may present problems. Plus, 30 liters is a pretty small bag. Even bikes like a V Strom 650 have more capacity than that. Hey - we may all be off base here. Speculation is fun, but we need to actually get hands on before passing judgement. As for the top case, 50 liters should be fine. But again, it's all about shape. The official line is that the bike's luggage was designed for 4 days/3 nights travel - not specifying one up or two. So that's a long weekend - which is about the amount of time a working couple in their 40s could spend away from home.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Fatboy46 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:07 pm

RE: shutting off after 3 seconds of idle... I drove a rental Ford- that drove me nuts until I figured out that I could raise the idle speedup just a tad with the gas pedal(automatic) and force it to keep running. Not sure if that 'll work with the 6 speed..

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by FM-USA » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:19 pm

Fatboy46 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:07 pm
RE: shutting off after 3 seconds of idle... I drove a rental Ford- that drove me nuts until I figured out that I could raise the idle speedup just a tad with the gas pedal(automatic) and force it to keep running. Not sure if that 'll work with the 6 speed..
That reminds me of the REALLY OLD DAYS. At stoplights you hear HD's reving their engines cause they won't idle, they just die. VEROOM-blat-blat-blat VEROOM-blat-blat-blat VEROOM-VEROOM-blat-blat-blat VEROOM-blat-blat-blat
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:27 pm

Fatboy46 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:07 pm
RE: shutting off after 3 seconds of idle... I drove a rental Ford- that drove me nuts until I figured out that I could raise the idle speedup just a tad with the gas pedal(automatic) and force it to keep running. Not sure if that 'll work with the 6 speed..
Well that's not something you'll need to worry about, as this "feature" is on the Canadian models only, to skim underneath emission regulations.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Rednaxs60 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:54 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:27 pm
Fatboy46 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:07 pm
RE: shutting off after 3 seconds of idle... I drove a rental Ford- that drove me nuts until I figured out that I could raise the idle speedup just a tad with the gas pedal(automatic) and force it to keep running. Not sure if that 'll work with the 6 speed..
Well that's not something you'll need to worry about, as this "feature" is on the Canadian models only, to skim underneath emission regulations.
Good to know. New HDs drop a cylinder when idling in traffic as well.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by DenverWinger » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:28 am

Rednaxs60 wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:54 pm
Good to know. New HDs drop a cylinder when idling in traffic as well.
So do the old ones - That's why they rev 'em at stoplights, to keep them from stalling! :lol:
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingVetteGSXR » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:16 pm

I like the idea of deeper saddlebag lids too. Expanding bags? Now that's an interesting idea.
Stu_O wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:51 pm
Stew wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:48 pm
Maybe Honda could take this opportunity to introduce a Goldwing Tour XL with larger saddle bag and trunk capacity. Wouldn't take many new parts to accomplish. Sort of like how the Suburban is an extended length Tahoe. I'm sure most people who desire more storage would prefer this to be a factory option rather than relying on the aftermarket. Not sure how elegantly larger bags and trunk could be blended into the new design though, just thinkin' out loud :P
If Honda doesn't do it, you can bet that someone else will. One solution might be to make larger bag lids. Another might be to fit some sort of expanding option, similar to various BMW ADV panniers. I don't know whether Gen Xers or millennials will buy into the long distance, multi day lifestyle. But the typical Winger these days needs all the luggage space of the 1500 or 1800, plus a trailer. And that's just to go to a chapter meeting LOL! If you look at the accessories shown for the new bike, the saddlebag liners show just how narrow and odd shaped the bags are, at least on the bottom. That might be okay if one were loading 30 liters of a liquid or powder. But I'm thinking 30 liters of clothing and the typical stuff we carry may present problems. Plus, 30 liters is a pretty small bag. Even bikes like a V Strom 650 have more capacity than that. Hey - we may all be off base here. Speculation is fun, but we need to actually get hands on before passing judgement. As for the top case, 50 liters should be fine. But again, it's all about shape. The official line is that the bike's luggage was designed for 4 days/3 nights travel - not specifying one up or two. So that's a long weekend - which is about the amount of time a working couple in their 40s could spend away from home.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by landisr » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:09 pm

Soooo, has anyone seen or heard anything yet about hydraulic lifters or air filter location?

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by DarthJ » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:46 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:56 am
Wow, that's a really tiny trunk.
Yeah, it is. With the reduced storage and only Apple support, think we'll look at the K1600 for my next one. Shame, as I am liking the DCT. But, the GL1500 will have to suffice for now, as my truck is having tranny issues.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Wingsconsin » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:43 pm

landisr wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:09 pm
Soooo, has anyone seen or heard anything yet about hydraulic lifters or air filter location?

Ron
This is a better question...long term maintenance process

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by darryldevaney » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:49 pm

One thing that seems to be a common theme among all the comments related to the Bluetooth integration with Apple Carplay is that everyone believes this means it will only work with iPhones. That is not true. Any Bluetooth phone will still do all the normal Bluetooth stuff (music, phone calls, texts, etc). The thing that the Apple Carplay adds is that the screen of the bike basically becomes a second remote screen for your phone, which allows you to do more than the normal Bluetooth stuff. The only advantage I see from a riders perspective is that you might be able to use your phones GPS maps instead of the bikes, but if the Garmin system integrated into the bike actually allows updates like a normal Garmin GPS then that isn't much of an issue as far as I can see. There is a set of very nice videos on YouTube that goes through all the integration and functionality of the electronics that explains all of this.



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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by MikeB » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:19 pm

darryldevaney wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:49 pm
... but if the Garmin system integrated into the bike actually allows updates like a normal Garmin GPS then that isn't much of an issue as far as I can see. ...
Except, the on-board GPS is most likely Harman and not a Garmin if the video by Niehaus is correct.
In the first 10 seconds of this video, it says that the Gold Wing Electronics and Telematics are controlled by a Harman audio and navigation unit.


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by FM-USA » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:00 pm

CURIOUS...
With no passenger BACKREST,
does that 7 inch screen show this
if the passenger goes missing?

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Post by darryldevaney » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:06 pm

CURIOUS...
With no passenger BACKREST,
does that 7 inch screen show this
if the passenger goes missing?
.

I just thought that was depicting the passenger trailer option.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by IdahoHacker » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:06 am

Good morning, gents!

New member here. I'm currently on a '15 Road Glide Special. I do actually ride it; 40k miles in the last 2 years. IBA Premier member. Run For The Wall this year, I will do it again next year, and I'm semi-serious about doing the lower 48 next September in honor of an upcoming "ends in 0" birthday.

I have been looking seriously at the new Yamaha Star Venture Transcontinental, but now that I've seen the new 'Wing, that's over. I'm pretty much done with the "Harley Tax", and I'm looking forward to a test ride on the new Wing.

As part of my newb hazing, I have something to offer: The 2018 Goldwing Owners Manual, complete with the audio/infotainment/Bluetooth section. I haven't seen this posted elsewhere here, so I hope it's not a dupe post. I didn't see a way to post the actual pdf in the manuals section, so I assume that's an admin-only function.

Oh, and I'll add my request for an '18 specific subforum.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by thunderwing » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:37 pm

Video seems to be from honda, is informative, and just belongs in this thread:





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