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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Rednaxs60 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:04 am



Agree with Wingadmin - too many variables to determine what to outfit the bike with. My '85 1200 LTD lets in more rain than my 1800 when on the highway, but nothing like my HD friends. I know people who want the air flow and have adapted to the lack of helmet space nicely. When I'm touring, the helmets are locked to the bike. I think it will be good. This new rendition will also require you to use a dealer, much like the new(er) cars out there. I like toys and such, but also like some simplicity. My 1200 gives me a lot of extras as does my 1800, but the 1800 is my second bike as I can get at and fix the 1200 easier. I think Honda has paid attention to what has been mentioned, and made a good compromise.

How 'bout a turbo version? Drop the engine size to 1200 with a turbo, would be interesting. Cars are going this way. Saw a new KIA Santa Fe with a 2.0 litre turbo, small engine in a big SUV.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by AmsTech » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:45 pm

After reading the info on the 2018 Gold Wing Tour for Canada, I do have a couple questions;
You talked about the 2 second idle shut down for Canada, is this on both Canadian models or just DCT model, and how does that work? So when your in traffic and sitting at a light with the new 6 speed in neutral or the clutch held in that it shuts off?
2) the new 6 speed transmission, when in 6th gear will that lower engine RPM at hi-way speed ?

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by brettchallenger » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:09 pm

brettchallenger wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:12 pm
About as realistic as their pricing.

Well, it's right in line with every other comparably equipped top-of-the-line touring bike.
Prices for the new Goldwing aren't announced yet here, but the present one is £24599, which is over £6000 more than the BMW k1600
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by raven41951 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:19 pm

1. I believe but not positive that the 2 second shut down is common for both. The DCT has a automatic parking brake for when stopped.
2. Final drive ratios are the same for DCT and 6 speed
I priced an airbag model on the Honda Powersports site and with options including rider backrest, storage pads and bags among other, it was in the high $33K, call it $34K, similar to the 1800.

After reading about previous "first editions", I'm going to wait a few years before jumping in, but I will jump in.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Stew » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:55 pm

raven41951 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:19 pm
I priced an airbag model on the Honda Powersports site and with options including rider backrest, storage pads and bags among other, it was in the high $33K, call it $34K, similar to the 1800.
I'm just getting back on the road with motorcycles and know I won't be in the market for a new Goldwing anytime soon, I wonder though if there would be any demand for a modern day lower cost Silverwing, like the older GL500 and 650's were to the older Goldwings.

This is what I'm thinking... I like the look of the Goldwing Tour but Honda doesn't have any other current new bikes that look like it - only the flagship Goldwings. What if they kept the Goldwing Tour 'chassis' and de-contented it, similar to how a commercial work pickup truck is the same body/chassis as the civilian counterparts but without all the bells and whistles.

I wonder what the market would be for 'Silverwing Tour', basically a Goldwing Tour but with a more entry level bluetooth audio system, standard analog gauges, delete most of the fancy electronics, halogen headlight in place of the LED, fixed windshield, maybe even a smaller four cylinder in place of the 1.8L for something more like $19,000 instead of $26,700. Or I wonder if Honda is worried such a motorcycle would cannibalize Goldwing sales.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by raven41951 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:04 pm

Stew (and forum),
I am 66 years old. I have said this in other threads so I'll be brief (as I can). I started in my teens with a Super (in 68) 90, then a 305 Super Hawk (in 69), and CL450, Yamaha 650, then spent years providing for a family. More recently an 1100 Shadow ACE and a 750 Magna. I test rode a new Indian Chieftain in 2013 and an F6B. Couldn't decide which one so I picked up a GL1500 until I could decide. Obviously I opted for a '16 GL1800 and considered this would be my last bike. We'll see as this new Goldwing has piqued my interest. Is bigger better? I kept my ACE as I thought the 'wing would be too wieldy around town but after a month on the 1500, I gave it to my kid brother, he's only 62 and prefers is 650 Nighthawk. Go figure.

Now that I am at retirement, I plan on doing some combo touring/recreational trap shooting across the country over the next 10 years. I can do it with my current ride but that new wing looks oh-so-sweet. I have a daughter and grandchildren in Snohomish and I'll be there with the ride in the next 6-18 months so may we can continue this in person.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Rednaxs60 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:25 pm

At a Triumph meet and greet last night. Unveiled several new models. Nice bikes. The 1200 adventure touring comes in at $23K CDN plus tax. Lots of goodies similar to the 2018 GW. Two bikes, different design and demographics, but other than the 1200 adventure being better at gravel and such, the new GW would definitely be a better touring/sport touring bike. Seems the smaller bikes are getting up in price as well.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by brettchallenger » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 am

I wonder though if there would be any demand for a modern-day lower cost Silverwing
Yes, I have wondered this too. Honda's NT700 Deauville fulfilled this need but inexplicitly, they stopped making it and replaced it with the Integra, a ghastly half scooter, an automatic bike that is neither one thing nor t'other. But to be fair to Honda, none of the other manufacturers seems to have gone down this route either. Even BMW's iconic R80RT is now a huge and expensive, 1250cc monster.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:12 pm

AmsTech wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:45 pm
After reading the info on the 2018 Gold Wing Tour for Canada, I do have a couple questions;
You talked about the 2 second idle shut down for Canada, is this on both Canadian models or just DCT model, and how does that work? So when your in traffic and sitting at a light with the new 6 speed in neutral or the clutch held in that it shuts off?
2) the new 6 speed transmission, when in 6th gear will that lower engine RPM at hi-way speed ?
The idling stop "feature" is available on the DCT models only, as it requires the combination starter/alternator (with its higher torque) - which doesn't exist on the non-DCT bikes.

The feature can be switched on and off with a switch on the right side grip pod:

Idling Stop Switch
Idling Stop Switch

From the manual:

Activating the Idling Stop System
The Idling Stop system becomes ready to stop the engine and the Idling Stop indicator comes on when the following conditions are satisfied with the Idling Stop system on.
• Engine is sufficiently warmed up
• Motorcycle has been ridden at a speed of over 6 mph (10 km/h).

Stopping the engine by the Idling Stop System
The engine stops and the Idling Stop indicator flashes after you close the throttle completely and stop the vehicle while the Idling Stop system is on.

While the engine is stopped by the Idling Stop system, if you press the start/Idling Stop button, the Idling Stop system is deactivated and the engine will restarts.

The following conditions occurs while the engine is stopped by the Idling Stop system, the engine will be restarted.

- Hill Start Assist (HSA) is activated.
- Transmission is shifted in Neutral (N switch is pressed).
- Motorcycle moves at about 3 mph (5 km/h) or more.
- Battery is discharged more than specified.

In the following conditions, the engine will not stop by the Idling Stop system.

- Rider is not sitting astride the motorcycle.
- Transmission is in Neutral (N).
- Battery is weak or temperature of battery is low.
- Hill Start Assist (HSA) is operated.

Safety Precautions for the Idling Stop System
Do not go away from the motorcycle while the Idling Stop indicator is flashing. When you go away from the motorcycle, always turn the ignition switch to OFF.

While the engine is stopped by the Idling Stop system, do not press against the seat with your hands or body, and do not put a load on the seat other than that of the rider sitting astride the motorcycle.

Even if the rider does not get on the motorcycle, the engine will restart unexpectedly when the throttle is opened or when the battery becomes weak with a load on the seat.

Restarting the Engine
Check that the Idling Stop indicator is flashing, and then open the throttle. The engine will not restart if the rider is not sitting astride the motorcycle. When restarting on a slope, release the
brakes after you feel the motorcycle begin to move.

If the indicator is not flashing, you cannot restart the engine with the Idling Stop system, even if you open the throttle.

In the following conditions while the engine is stopped by the Idling Stop system, the Idling Stop indicator changes from flashing to off and you cannot restart the engine, even if you open the throttle.

-When the side stand is lowered
-When the motorcycle has fallen over
-When the rider has not been sitting astride the motorcycle for approx. 3 minutes

To restart the engine when the Idling Stop indicator not flashing, shift the transmission into neutral and press the start/Idling Stop button. (To restart except in Neutral, apply the brake lever
firmly, and then press the start/Idling Stop button.)

The engine starts in the following conditions without opening the throttle grip.

-When changing the Idling Stop system from on to off
-When the gear position is changed to Neutral (N)
-When the motorcycle moves by releasing the brakes while stopped on a slope
-When the battery is weak:
• A few seconds before restarting the engine, the Idling Stop indicator flashes quickly. After restarting, the Idling Stop indicator turns off and the system does not operate until the battery voltage has recovered.
• See your dealer for checking the battery.
-When the Hill Start Assist (HSA) system is activated with the brakes applied

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:19 pm

So perusing the owner's manual, I notice that only the Canadian bikes get a tool kit. I wonder what the reason for that is?

No Tool Kit outside Canada
No Tool Kit outside Canada


Canada only??
Canada only??


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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by dnt13 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:13 pm

Have any tall riders tested the fit on the new ‘wing? At 6’5” with long legs, my knees are up against the fairing on the old 1800. I bought a 1500 since it is more roomy for lanky riders.

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Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:00 pm

Mick-O-Pegs solves that problem for long legs.

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Have the seat foam recontoured to let your rump slide backwards about 3 inches, along with the pegs mentioned, and you are good to go. Best thing I did for myself.
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Rednaxs60 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:25 pm

dnt13 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:13 pm
Have any tall riders tested the fit on the new ‘wing? At 6’5” with long legs, my knees are up against the fairing on the old 1800. I bought a 1500 since it is more roomy for lanky riders.
Agree with AZgl1800 - cockpit size on the 1800 is designed for the average 5' 10" rider give or take a couple of inches. For us taller riders, space is limited. I'm 6' 2" and had the seat on my 1800 modified to suit. Back 2" and up 2" and all is good. Before this, was getting pinched between the shoulder blades, very uncomfortable on long rides, and my knees were almost touching the fairing. At 6' 5" I would think back 3" and up at least 2" if not 3".

You're in Kelowna. A trip to Kingston WA and have Rich's Custom Seats adjust yours. About the same price as a mail order seat, and he warranties his work. I have had the seat on my 1800 and 1200 modified there. He has been customizing seats for over 20 years. Good excuse for a road trip.

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by Wingsconsin » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:08 pm

I am sure Mike o pegs are going to have to design something else new for the 2018's.
I think the crash bars are under plastic and not pronounced like previous Generations of Wing.
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Post by brettchallenger » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:59 am

For us taller riders, space is limited.
For the amount of money they cost, one would think they could put more adjustment into the seats/pegs etc. Even the cheapest cars on the market have a driver's seat which adjusts in several different planes, ditto the steering wheel.
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Post by dnt13 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:22 pm

Thanks for the feedback. I have hiway pegs on the crash bars on my 1500. They help a lot. I don’t like the looks of the mike-o-pegs but I understand they are a good add for comfort. A seat mod will 1) reduce space for the co-rider and 2) likely make my Wingleader backrest useless. I already have the backrest in the rearmost position and I have to remove it when the missus is back there. What are the work arounds for these ?

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Post by AZgl1800 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:55 pm

I did not buy my Mick-O-Peg because they look great.

I bought them because they are the only highway peg that I can live with.
Tried the others, got rid of them
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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:14 pm

Any GWRRA members who haven't yet read Stu Oltman's great article (I hesitate to call it a review, as you can't really review a bike you don't spend time examining/riding - something that Stu is very clear about) in this month's Wing World, I encourage you to give it a read. In his typical clear writing style, he goes over a lot of the details about the new Goldwing - with a somewhat cynical outlook, that you would expect from him. :)

The most interesting thing that he wrote that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else is the intended target for the new bike:

- Those who avoid Goldwings because it's an "Old Man's Bike"
- Current Goldwing owners
- Former Wing owners who have strayed to what they perceived as newer, better options

The fact that they have laid these out right at the outset is encouraging. Whether or not this is the bike to accomplish those goals...well, we shall see.

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Post by octane94 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:08 am

Well I am a current Goldwing owner who will not be buying this new bike! First off I can't afford a bike that costs as much as a decent new car, and second, I can't stand all the electronic doo-dads. Just let me ride my bike and enjoy the road!

I do wish I had music on my GL1000 sometimes though.

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Post by brettchallenger » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:51 am

It's all very similar to the system I have on my MZ 250.
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Post by ndfan77 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:56 pm

brettchallenger wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:51 am
It's all very similar to the system I have on my MZ 250.
How did you find the Harman GPS compared with the Garmin GPS?

I've always preferred the UI in Garmin-based GPS systems vs other brands (but have never used Harman). That said, the Garmin in my 16' Wing is frustrating because you can't cancel or change a route while moving, and the Garmin in my 16' Accord is absolutely terrible with voice commands.

So... I would hope the Harman GPS in the 18' Wing will support voice commands for route changes while moving, and also be [much] better at voice recognition than Garmin. (Including Android Auto support would have been a great alternative, Google's voice recognition is hard to beat. I'm hoping this capability eventually makes it across and finding it a little odd that it wasn't initially since most of Honda's four-wheeled vehicles now support both Android Auto and Apple Car play. I would guess Google is probably where the fault lays in this instance.)

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Re: All you need to know about the new 2018 Goldwing

Post by WingMan71 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:29 pm

octane94 wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:08 am
Well I am a current Goldwing owner who will not be buying this new bike! First off I can't afford a bike that costs as much as a decent new car, and second, I can't stand all the electronic doo-dads. Just let me ride my bike and enjoy the road!

I do wish I had music on my GL1000 sometimes though.
Octane,

Get yourself an old Windjammer Vetter fairing for your GL1000 and mount an old Cycle Sound stereo system with speakers in it! Both readily available items on eBay.

Mount a stereo in it that has an old style cassette player, then buy a $10.00 cassette adapter for it from Office Depot and you can plug any MP3 player or smart phone into the mini stereo patch cord and TADA... you've got music on your GL1000.

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Post by brettchallenger » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:34 am

How did you find the Harman GPS compared with the Garmin GPS?
Apologies ndfan77, I was speaking tongue in cheek. My MZ250 is a single cylinder, a two-stroke motorcycle built in what was then communist East Germany. It is about as basic as they come, although mine was built for export so has luxuries such as a disc brake, tachometer and oil injection. It still has to be kicked into life and creates enough pollution to satisfy a Chinese government. The handbook contains gems such as, "the saddle should be washed in the same solution your mother uses to wash her hose", which is enough to choke a feminist.


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