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Post by Ravyn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:55 pm



Anybody in here know anything about Linux ? I have an older netbook running Linux cinnamon rosa 17.3 I hardly ever use it and it's been awhile. Today I turned it on there is a new version, 18.3 so I downloaded it to see if it was any better. When I click on it after downloading I get a nice dialog box but when I choose "extract" I just get an error message that says I don't permission to access that folder, or something like that. Now a long time ago I don't think I had that problem installing 17.3
Anybody got any ideas now that I blew away 2 gigs downloading it. I'd like to get it installed. I don't know if anyone here fools around with something like Linux or not. It has always seemed a bit bass ackwards to me. :shock:



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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:16 pm

I have 17.3 Mint Cinnamon on a Dell laptop,

and on this ASUS laptop that is 2 years old, I reformatted it totally, and it is on Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon and I love it.

Why are you trying to extract it? It should be an ISO that boots up on a CD or flash drive.


You did get the right version, didn't you? which processor does your notebook have?

I would put that ISO on a CDROM and see if you can get the notebook to boot that up?
or, put it on flash stick, and go with that.

Now, is 18.3 any better than 17.3 ??

it is a bit smoother, and more nearly matches Win7 than 17.3 does.

but, to be honest, I have had some problems making 18.3 work as well as 17.3 does.
if 17.3 is running on the notebook, it might be better to stay with it.

18.3 is "fatter" than 17.3, don't recall how much, but it wants more memory.

There is one thing about Linux that does not go well, they have not developed the WiFi drivers for Windows type machines. On both the Dell laptop, and this ASUS laptop, I had to search and search and burn up a lot of Linux Mint forum time, to find a WiFi driver that would work.
It is not easy, but once done, they work.
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Re: Linux

Post by Ravyn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:13 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:16 pm
I have 17.3 Mint Cinnamon on a Dell laptop,

and on this ASUS laptop that is 2 years old, I reformatted it totally, and it is on Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon and I love it.

Why are you trying to extract it? It should be an ISO that boots up on a CD or flash drive.


You did get the right version, didn't you? which processor does your notebook have?

I would put that ISO on a CDROM and see if you can get the notebook to boot that up?
or, put it on flash stick, and go with that.

Now, is 18.3 any better than 17.3 ??

it is a bit smoother, and more nearly matches Win7 than 17.3 does.

but, to be honest, I have had some problems making 18.3 work as well as 17.3 does.
if 17.3 is running on the notebook, it might be better to stay with it.

18.3 is "fatter" than 17.3, don't recall how much, but it wants more memory.

There is one thing about Linux that does not go well, they have not developed the WiFi drivers for Windows type machines. On both the Dell laptop, and this ASUS laptop, I had to search and search and burn up a lot of Linux Mint forum time, to find a WiFi driver that would work.
It is not easy, but once done, they work.
18.3

Hi John. Wow there is somebody foolin around with Linux. :-)

I was trying to extract it because when I click it in the download folder there is three folders listed. "Isolinux" , "boot" , and "Linuxmint-18.3-cinnamon-32bit-iso". There is nothing in the first two. If I click on the linuxmint folder I get a box that says "reading linuxmint cinnamon 32 bit . iso. Then it opens another box with a bunch of folders in it. One of the options is to "Extract" so I thought if I did that it would extract it and install it...... WRONG ! I get a message that says, error creating directory, Permission denied.

I have managed to send it to a jump drive and then I go into the bios and change the boot up sequence to boot to the "removable drive" but when I save settings it still only boots to the 17.3 version. ???

My little laptop is 7 years old and it had wim. 7 on it when I bought it. CPU is N450, 1.66 GHZ, 1024 system memory.

I have not used this little netbook for a long time so I just thought I'd play around with it for awhile and try to load the newer version . I seem to have forgotten most of the Linux stuff. So any help would be ok.

I do not have any problems with it logging on to the internet with it using the hotspot in my cell phone.

What I'd really like to do is find someone with full version of the windows 7 disk so I could reinstall it on this little netbook. Any one in here with a copy of windows that I can beg, borrow, steal or buy from you ??

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Post by virgilmobile » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:41 pm

I am running Linux 18.3 on a laptop and mainframe with an enormous tv for the screen.
I hated windows from Win95 on.
Crashes in the middle of data entry a hour long.
Stupid operating system.Why does it need 36million lines of code anyways.
If you must have that windows only program..Linux has Wine...

Sorry...I'm old and just want the programs to run..I don't need the bloat or bluescreen.

Yes I still use a pencil and paper :o

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Re: Linux

Post by Ravyn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:57 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:41 pm
I am running Linux 18.3 on a laptop and mainframe with an enormous tv for the screen.
I hated windows from Win95 on.
Crashes in the middle of data entry a hour long.
Stupid operating system.Why does it need 36million lines of code anyways.
If you must have that windows only program..Linux has Wine...

Sorry...I'm old and just want the programs to run..I don't need the bloat or bluescreen.

Yes I still use a pencil and paper :o
Hahahaha, yeah, I still use paper and pencil as well.

Well, I am not much of a fan of windows either after win.7. I hated win. 8 and 8.1 even more. I upgraded to win. 10 and now they forced the creators edition on me with a ton more bloat. Microsoft is seriously mucked up with a capitol F. and they don't give a damn. "Fix it till it's broke" must be there moto. hehehe

Anyway I was trying to see if 18.3 was any better . So far I REALLY do not like Linux. But then I haven't used it much either. To much crap to do to get anything to work. I tried Wine and it didn't work so well. way to many programs I have wont work on Linux. A while back I tried to go to the Linux forums for help and they are all running around in there like there crap don't stink and if I don't know what I am doing then why am I using Linux......

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Re: Linux

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:22 pm

The GUI is more like windows 10 but keep in mind that Linux is open source software.
Ya still have to choose what you use the computer for and pick to the operating system that supports it.
My wife prefers the Linux Libra office over MS.
I prefer the network browser in Linux over MS.
Linux allows better control over what it does and the network it's tied to.
Windows was developed to run programs for the average operator.They start at the fluff buttons to click on
Linux starts at the basic computer programs and works it way up to the buttons.
It forces one to understand the system and the requirements of programs downloaded.

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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:39 pm

Ref: Windows 7
call me on the phone 918.613.95

thareeee


oh


and we can handle that issue.

now, for "getting used to" Linux Mint Cinnamon....
I started with 17.3 Rosa and loved the fact that an old Windoze IT guy could use the same exact set of keyboard commands to get around that I am already familiar with.

To me, Cinnamon answered exactly my complaint that I cried to everyone who would listen back when computers first became an object in our living rooms....

"For gawd sake you bastards, would you pahleeze all use the same exact command set in your OS?"

of course, no one paid me any attention at all.... 5" floppies and machine code at first, then basic came along, and then the higher level languages, and nobody listened to my period...

now, Cinnamon is here, and with 18.3 it is almost a carbon copy from the GUI stand point of using Win95-Win7, the GUI keyboard functions are identical.

I can hit the Command Key-E and it brings up the File Manager, HOT DAMN!

Control-F is still Find
Control-C is still copy
Control-V is still paste,
and on and on and on.

I really think that if you will devote some time to Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon, that you will get acquainted with the nuances of the Linux world.... I am now at the point where I can use this laptop on Linux, or got to my desktop and use Win7.... it don't matter to me, I get along just fine with either one now.

I am a bit concerned that the notebook you have, just might be too small in terms of memory.... the disk space is okay, and the processor might be slower than you want.

I tried to put Linux on a Panasonic Toughbook, circa 15 years old, with 256 mB RAM, and 512 mB of HD.... it was so slow, that I gave up on it. Win95 would run, and that is about it.

Of course, if I had used a version of Linux from that era, it would probably be just fine, but I hate Unix commands, and I refuse to learn them.
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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:51 am

For us old Windows reprobates,
I have discovered a couple of new pieces of information that will make us newbies to Cinnamon very happy....


https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ult ... users.html#

and in reading that, there is a link to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_%28software%29

the writer of Ultimate Guide is one super smart guy, and I am getting more and more comfortable with my transition over to Linux.... and I am becoming much more confirmed that Cinnamon is the Ultimate Linux interface..... you will have to read his articles to understand why....

it seems that the old set of programmers want to keep Linux hidden, just like in the old Unix world where every thing was controlled strictly by the textual Command Window interface....

in other words, they wanted to keep the OS private and only to themselves, the Lords of the Jungle if you will.... us common everyday folks who just want a computer to be able to surf around, and to be able to conveniently use the applications that "we want", when we want, are heresy to the old Unix people....

oh well, I am tired, have been up all night reading..... something that I do nearly all the time anymore.
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Re: Linux

Post by Ravyn » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:39 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:51 am
For us old Windows reprobates,
I have discovered a couple of new pieces of information that will make us newbies to Cinnamon very happy....


https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ult ... users.html#

and in reading that, there is a link to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_%28software%29

the writer of Ultimate Guide is one super smart guy, and I am getting more and more comfortable with my transition over to Linux.... and I am becoming much more confirmed that Cinnamon is the Ultimate Linux interface..... you will have to read his articles to understand why....

it seems that the old set of programmers want to keep Linux hidden, just like in the old Unix world where every thing was controlled strictly by the textual Command Window interface....

in other words, they wanted to keep the OS private and only to themselves, the Lords of the Jungle if you will.... us common everyday folks who just want a computer to be able to surf around, and to be able to conveniently use the applications that "we want", when we want, are heresy to the old Unix people....

oh well, I am tired, have been up all night reading..... something that I do nearly all the time anymore.
Thanks for the links john. I have been reading through the first one. Lots to read. I need another brewsky. hehehe I guy could put on some weight just sittin here if couldn't read very fast...... :-)

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Re: Linux

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:41 am

Why do I prefer Linux?


Right in the middle of a hour long frequency data entry it decided to crash and update.
A hour lost..hour update...15 minutes of restart and try again.

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Re: Linux

Post by Ravyn » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:45 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:41 am
Why do I prefer Linux?MmsCamera_2018-01-11-09-34-47.jpg
Right in the middle of a hour long frequency data entry it decided to crash and update.
A hour lost..hour update...15 minutes of restart and try again.
Yup. I agree. But Linux wont run any of the windows program i need to use. I tried wine and that didn't work either. I was hoping cinnamon 18.3 might have addressed this.

So here is what I have done so far. Go to this link........

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop ... nt-2684424

You are going to have to modify your registry so don't blame me if you muck it up. However if I can do this you should be able to.
He has two different ways to do this. I had to do it with the registry as I don't have the pro version. just be sure you read everything and be very careful you are changing the right registry key. It's pretty simple if you take your time and read.
After you get done doing that ....... push the windows key and the R key on your key board. In the box that pops up, type, services.msc
In the box that opens scroll down to an entry called "windows update" double click it. in the box that pops up click on , disable, then click on apply. After i did that i also clicked on stop so windows completely stops the update services.
So far so good no more updates. If you do get updates it supposed to be just asking you if you want to download them. Time will tell ???
I have tried many different ways and so far this is the only one that SEEMS to be working.
Before I modified the registry doing just the , services.msc thing windows would just set it back to the way it was. it seems to staying put now ???

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Re: Linux

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:20 pm

Been there did that.Stopping updates works for a while to keep windows stable but sooner or later something internet related will stop working forcing you to update again.
I also have a windows program I'm fighting with on Linux 18.3.
It does run on Wine on my laptop with Linux 18.3 but not on my desktop With Linux18.3
The only difference is the laptop is 32 bit version and the desktop is the 64 bit version.
Both are Dell.
When I get bored this weekend I'm gonna put the 32 bit version in the desktop and retest Wine.

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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:59 pm

I just took a new look at Services and Windows Update:

it wasn't the way I left it before, MS has sneaky ways to turn it back on...

now, it will be a bit harder for them to mess with

I am still using Win7 Pro and don't want it to be corrupted with that Win10 crap.
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Re: Linux

Post by Ravyn » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:23 pm

virgilmobile wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:20 pm
Been there did that.Stopping updates works for a while to keep windows stable but sooner or later something internet related will stop working forcing you to update again.
I also have a windows program I'm fighting with on Linux 18.3.
It does run on Wine on my laptop with Linux 18.3 but not on my desktop With Linux18.3
The only difference is the laptop is 32 bit version and the desktop is the 64 bit version.
Both are Dell.
When I get bored this weekend I'm gonna put the 32 bit version in the desktop and retest Wine.
If I could pick and choose what up date I want and when to install it that would be just fine with me. I guess that's what this registry mod is supposed to do. We shall see. Do you know differently ???

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Re: Linux

Post by Ravyn » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:39 pm

AZgl1800 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:59 pm
I just took a new look at Services and Windows Update:

it wasn't the way I left it before, MS has sneaky ways to turn it back on...

now, it will be a bit harder for them to mess with

I am still using Win7 Pro and don't want it to be corrupted with that Win10 crap.
I just wish I could use Linux but there is so many programs In windows that I need use. I have three computers I use. One is a laptop and a 64 bit operating system and one is a net book with a 32 bit operating system and the third one is a net book with linux on it and is 7 years old and that is the one I am waiting on the windows 7 installation disc for. The mod I spoke of earlier has been done to both the 64 bit and the 32 bit so we shall see what happens to the both of them. I have just checked the services. msc thing and everything is still disabled on both computers. ???

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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:17 pm

Which Windows programs are you using that have not been able to run in Linux/Wine?


I installed Wine on a very early version of Linux, don't even recall what brand that was, don't think it was Mint....

My first experience was with LinuxOS or something like that, the first windows like GUI there was, this was 10 or 12 years ago. But, there wasn't a good replacement for Microsoft Office at that time, nor was there a way for me to run Quicken which at that time, I relied upon heavily.... When they raised their "permanent charge" for a version of Quicken, to an annual Subscription, I told them to take where the sun don't shine....

Now, I just look at my Credit Union debits daily, they are sent to me via email instantly when a debit occurs. That and a SMS text message at the same time. The text just says a charge happened, and the cellphone accesses the email almost as fast.. I use Aqua Mail on Android.... that is the best email program to have been invented.... love that developer.

Are you guys staying updated with the Meltdown/Spectre hoopla?
It is even effecting Unix/Linux users as it attacks the Kernel/cpu

I just upgraded tonight to Kernel 4.13 which is now immune to the problem.
Also, everyone, make sure you have the latest version of Firefox 57.0.4, it is also immune to Meltdown/Spectre
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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:52 pm

Well,
Since my last post in this thread, I have been installing Wine on my Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon laptop.

IrFanView is my favorite image viewer program of all time, and that is the very first thing I tried to see if Wine really works.

Oh, before Wine would work, I had to make a few additional installs, ".net" and ".gecko" but that did not take very long.

The result is, IrFanView on Windows/Linux Mint just blows all of the other Linux viewers right out of the water.... happy? OMG, am I ever.

there is a downside though, you can't access IrFanView direct from the Linux desktop, you know, with the Right Click/Open With menu.... it don't show up.

However, if you click on Menu/Wine/ there it is and it pops up instantly.... and fast!!! faster than on my Win7 PC
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Re: Linux

Post by virgilmobile » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:00 am

Did you install the 32 bit or 64 bit version.?

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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:49 am

virgilmobile wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:00 am
Did you install the 32 bit or 64 bit version.?
I have the 64 bit version of Linux on my laptop, so I suppose that Wine used that version, I don't recall being asked, or even being shown what was in Wine.

I tried to install Net UpTime Monitor which is a Windows only program.
It installed okay, all the icons showed up on the desktop, but the program won't run.

Right after that, I ran across this little bit of info and that killed the entire night.
I did not get to bed until 4 a.m. this morning :o


https://whdb.com/blog/2008/the-top-50-p ... ernatives/

OMG, there is a lot of stuff there that will run on Linux and replace the Windoze stuff that I used to use. I am becoming more and more a Linux convert... my Win7 Desktop is damp now, it has tears running down its' face :o
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Re: Linux

Post by Alan_Hepburn » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:08 pm

I have a Windows program that would not run in Wine on my Mint Cinnamon laptop, but I was able to get it to work by downloading and installing an app called "PlayOnLinux" - it's a graphical front-end for Wine that is apparently designed to run games, but will also run non-game programs that rely heavily on graphics.
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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:21 pm

Alan_Hepburn wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:08 pm
I have a Windows program that would not run in Wine on my Mint Cinnamon laptop, but I was able to get it to work by downloading and installing an app called "PlayOnLinux" - it's a graphical front-end for Wine that is apparently designed to run games, but will also run non-game programs that rely heavily on graphics.
I also had to install PlayOnLinux, actually, I did that before I tried to install anything, I was following an article explaining how to get Wine installed.
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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:59 am

Wow!

did I make a find today.

for all of us Windows followers who are used to Microsoft Office, we have had to use crutches to get around in Linux with LibreOffice which is poor in IMO

then I tried OpenOffice which is better, but still not good enough.

I just happened across a thread https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic. ... 8#p1113888 and it mentioned this link http://www.freeoffice.com/en/

https://www.techsupportalert.com/conten ... age-Editor

and OMG, on that page is FreeOffice for Windows and Linux.

http://www.freeoffice.com/en/support/tips-and-tricks

I installed it on my daughter's Win10 laptop, and it is exaclty like MS Office

so, I put it on my Linux laptop, and it looks exactly the same, and the kybd shortcuts all work the same way....
yep, ^L makes the text go to the Left side, and ^U centers the paragraph.... and so forth.

check it out, you will be amazed.

http://www.freeoffice.com/en/ for Linux, gotta go get it.
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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:56 pm

Update to Office type replacements.....
they all stink to high heaven.

LibreOffice is an "almost look alike" but it is devoid of the special things that I want.... MACROS!!!

FreeOffice is a better version, it emulates MS Office and if you don't mind a scrunched screen, it is going to be okay for two finger typers.... but, no macros period.

Last, I tried to install OpenOffice, and it just would not install at all... it kept asking for things that are not available in the distribution I have. But, I really didn't care, I have OpenOffice on other computers, and I don't like it.... no Macros there either.


Whoa Nelly!
I have been hearing about "Wine" and that it will install almost any MS program.
Its' claim to fame is that it will install the proprietary Office programs.

I am here to report, that yes it does.... I just installed Microsoft Office 2003 and it came up with the identical looking boxes I am used to seeing, and it asked for my Certificate number, and I own that.

entered that 25 digit number and off to the races..... I just opened up MS Office Word 2003 and it has the full complete version, Macros and all.... here is the first Template that I always make:


1/17/2018

This is a test, it accurately recorded a new Macro that I named DateTime and assigned it to ALT-D

Awesome!!!

I can’t believe it works just like it should.
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Re: Linux

Post by virgilmobile » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:30 am

Been looking into another "Windows program" option while in Linux.
It's a 64 bit system so I loaded "virtual box" in Linux...I grabbed my Windows 7 pro 64 bit and installed it.
Now Linux has a virtual Windows OS running at the same time I have Linux running.No dual boot needed.
Basically windows thinks it's running on a machine by itself.A virtual computer.
Still experimenting with software installs in windows but it seems to take anything I stuff in it.
I did notice that the audio recording and play still have to go through Linux before it gets into a windows program.
I suppose because it's Linux first.I guess I could put windows in first and then virtual box install Linux if this is a problem.
I'm using a windows program to decode digital packet audio.It works 95% on a windows only computer but decodes only 30% when through Linux.
Not positive if it's the os or the audio processor chip set.

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Re: Linux

Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:25 pm

"virtual box" in Linux


I'm not quite there yet, but I am getting close.

I am becoming very familiar with my new desktop, and with Wine now allowing me to have a "Word icon" on the desktop, and me being able to click on that and immediately start to work in Word, doing everything that I have been accustomed to for decades.... that to me, is the "cat's meow".

I have a macro file that has followed me since MS Office first came out,

ALT-D gives Date/Time 01/18/2018 2:15 pm
ALT-B will make all text that is highlighted turn Blue
ALT-R will make all text that is highlighted turn RED
ALT-S marks highlighted text with an Underscore line

and more that most folks would never dream of....
For instance, you have a gob of text that you just copied off the web and it has all of those ugly HTML markings in it, with really weird offsets from the left margin, and broken lines that should be continuous paragraphs....

I have a macro that only requires one keystroke combo, ALT-F and boom!
pretty as a picture, a perfect rendition of that web page is in Word....

that kind of macro has to be built up in stages, and then combined into one master macro....

took me a few days to get that one done, but wow, does it ever help me.


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