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Engine heaters anyone?

Post by Viol1736 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:16 pm



I’m thinking of utilizing a stick on 25 watt block heater on my bike. Any one have experience with them?





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Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:59 pm

When I lived out in West Texas, and then up in NW Utah,

those magnetic block heaters were okay.
the ones that stick into the oil work pretty good too.

on my '74 Chevy Suburban 454, I bought the radiator hose heater and it worked great.

throw a blanket over the engine, plug it in.... at -59* it started right up with normal oil pressure.

but, that same truck a bit later over Christmas week vacation at West Yellowstone at a condo w/o any electric outlets...... guess who forgot to run an extension cord to the truck?

and, since I came for the hot country, guess what weight oil was in that truck?
straight 40w

oops!

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many tubs of hot water from the stove and water heater, poured over the block, and it finally started.
let it idle for a long time, and it "seemed okay".

but, six months later, my brother had to change out the camshaft, it was as flat as it could be, and the motor still run.

he also dropped the pan and changed the rod bearings
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Post by WingAdmin » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:50 pm

I always thought if I ever owned a car that was expensive enough that I wanted it to run as long as possible (think Ferrari), I'd put an oil heater and engine pre-oiler in it, like we had on the race car I crewed on. It was a little electric pump that pumped oil up through all the galleys and shafts, basically lubricating the engine as if it was running, without the stress of running it. So when you did a cold start (which is when most of the engine wear occurs), it wasn't actually a cold start.

We'd do the same thing with airplanes - leave the ignition (magnetos) off, fuel mixture on idle/cutoff, and use the starter to crank the engine. This pumped oil through the engine without the stress of ignition pulses. Then mags on, fuel mixture full rich, and off she went.

You can kind of do the same thing with a carbureted wing - just don't choke it, and crank the engine with the starter. It won't start, so no stress from piston pressure, and oil gets pumped through the engine.

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Post by themainviking » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:04 am

Okay, I am from the North Country where it does get cold. What would this block heater be in aid of? If it is too cold to ride, why would you need to warm the engine. It is actually inadvisable to start a stored engine, as it develops moisture and acids in the oil that do not get evaporated out in the amount of time you would run the bike. In addition, by my experience, block heaters, without running the engine to full heat after starting it, also attract moisture into the oil due to condensation on the engine block. And finally, a block heater in a car is 1500 wats. How much heat would one get from a 25 watt heater? Just asking.
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Post by Fiberthree » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 pm

themainviking wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:04 am
... How much heat would one get from a 25 watt heater? Just asking.
(Tongue in cheek) My guess would be... 25 watts.

But I agree with you about it being under powered for the job, even though the Wing engine is much smaller than a car engine. I bought a used Pontiac that was originally sold in Canada. It has a factory block heater that is located where a freeze plug usually resides. It looks like one of those electric charcoal barbeque starters.The plug in cord is coiled under the cars battery.
Never thought of this before, but does the Wing have freeze plugs?
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Re: Engine heaters anyone?

Post by redial » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:08 pm

I found the green, again.
It is far too warm here to think about engine heaters. Perhaps 33c at 1030am is an indication why we do not need much heating, especially in our summer. Think warm, and enjoy the ride.
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Post by themainviking » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:23 am

redial wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:08 pm
I found the green, again.
It is far too warm here to think about engine heaters. Perhaps 33c at 1030am is an indication why we do not need much heating, especially in our summer. Think warm, and enjoy the ride.
But do you use a lot of Air Conditioning in the summer. I believe for you folks, maybe they should invent a block cooler for your cars and trucks, so the engine can get cool enough for efficient running. I can not, however see that coming in a compact sized package.
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Re: Engine heaters anyone?

Post by Rednaxs60 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:53 am

Have used block heaters, in-line water circulating heaters on many vehicles over the years having grown up in Ontario. Had to use them a lot this past Xmas at the parents place in Larder Lake Ontario, a few Kms north of North Bay. Used to put them on timers so these would come on about 1 1/2 hours before vehicle needed to be started - worked well. A lot of people also have battery warmers as well.

Was in Williams Lake (interior of BC) back in the late '70s with a Toyota Land Cruiser that had a 283 retrofitted and no block heater. Got cold enough nothing started unless it was plugged in. Was introduced to a truckers block heater, cigarette tobacco can with a roll of toilet paper in it doused in diesel. Worked like a candle. Put it under the oil pan and heated the oil for about four hours. Did the trick and got back on the road. Once I was finished with the "oil" heater, put the lid on the can and put it away until next time it was needed. Always remember this as it was a unique way of getting the job done.

If it's cold enough to need a block heater on a GW maybe better to stay inside and have a good cup of joe.

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Re: Engine heaters anyone?

Post by themainviking » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:50 pm

Rednaxs60 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:53 am
If it's cold enough to need a block heater on a GW maybe better to stay inside and have a good cup of joe.

Cheers
Which is exactly what I do, and if I say so myself, I make a most excellent cup of Joe. I have attestation of that fact from many drop bys over the years.
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Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:51 am

Airplanes don't have block heaters, but many small airplane owners who fly in cold weather will put a light bulb on a timer below the engine cowl. You'd be surprised how much heat a 60 watt bulb can put into the engine cowl of an airplane over the course of a few hours.

Some owners now have a cell-phone activated system, so that they can activate their light bulb remotely a few hours before they head out to the airport.

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Post by AZgl1800 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:14 am

I used to fly a Piper PA-22 TriPacer in Grouse Creek, UT.... look that one up....

at temps of -59 it would fire right up for me.... but, I had a 1500 watt electric heater turned face up below the cowling. and a Furniture Pad blanket strapped down tight to keep the winds from blowing it away.

The oil temp gauge would read 160* before I climbed into the cockpit. :mrgreen:

The battery would be kept in the house, so there was a delay putting that back in before leaving.

had to use cardboard inserts in the front cowl openings to let the cylinders get warm enough to fly. :)

up in the cold country, we always propped it off, never tried to use up the battery grinding a starter motor... batteries are for RADIOs....
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Post by WingAdmin » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:21 am

AZgl1800 wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:14 am
I used to fly a Piper PA-22 TriPacer in Grouse Creek, UT.... look that one up....

at temps of -59 it would fire right up for me.... but, I had a 1500 watt electric heater turned face up below the cowling. and a Furniture Pad blanket strapped down tight to keep the winds from blowing it away.

The oil temp gauge would read 160* before I climbed into the cockpit. :mrgreen:

The battery would be kept in the house, so there was a delay putting that back in before leaving.

had to use cardboard inserts in the front cowl openings to let the cylinders get warm enough to fly. :)

up in the cold country, we always propped it off, never tried to use up the battery grinding a starter motor... batteries are for RADIOs....
I don't have to look up the Tri-Pacer - that's the plane I learned to fly in as a kid, as it's what my dad had when we I was growing up! :) It went for a PA-28 Cherokee when I was 12 or so.

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Post by Pam » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:00 am

Worked at a remote community back in the day. Temps in the -25 to -40 were standard issue. Our fresh water tank was burried just below ground level. As the winter progressed the tank would freeze in from the sides making is smaller, basically just an ice ball. We hung a trouble lite in the tank with a 100 watt bulb. Took about a day to thaw the entre 500 gal. Was hard on bulbs thought because the local guy who filled the tank would just dump the water in blowing the bulb and breaked lol.

Some guys who need ATV's year round put an in line heater in the heater hose and plug them in and throw a tarp over them to keep the heat in the block.

As for a block heater on the wing I am with the Viking on this.

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Post by Viol1736 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:29 pm

My question is; I’m hoping to use one to help keep condensation from building up. Do they do that?

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Post by Rednaxs60 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:38 pm

If you are worried about condensation, you can always fog the engine similar to a snow machine and use the same fogging oil. It's in a spray can.
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Post by WingAdmin » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:28 pm

As long as you get the engine good and hot before you put it away for the winter, change the oil and don't start it again until spring, you don't need to worry about condensation, because there will be no moisture in there to condense.



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