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2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:30 pm



I spent my Saturday at the Cleveland International Motorcycle Show. I was second in line to enter on Saturday morning, and headed straight over to the Honda exhibit, before anyone else was there. The Honda exhibit this year was ALL ABOUT the Goldwing. They had a huge area with one blue GL1800 on the floor, flanked by a stage with two more. There were some other Honda bikes surrounding the area, mostly ignored in favor of the new Wings. I was able to get quite a few pictures off with virtually nobody around, but it didn't take long for people to flood the area where the new Goldwings were, and it stayed that way all day - pretty much the most crowded area of the entire show. Within 15 minutes or so, there was a large crowd surrounding the bikes:

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So first off: the bikes! I got a few decent shots of the blue GL1800 on the floor. I sat on it, and found that it was remarkably comfortable. I have long legs, and my knees were actually not folded up as much as they are on the old GL1800. I tried putting it up on its center stand, and it was MUCH easier to do than previous Goldwings. However I found it a bit more difficult to rock it off the center stand.

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One thing that surprised me was just how far forward the engine appears. I knew it had been moved forward a bit, but it really appears farther forward than the old bike.

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The handlebars are quite comfortably positioned, and the controls are easily reached. The mirrors give an excellent view. It does look much narrower than I'm used to however.

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I have to admit, that in person, I really like the lines of the new bike. It's swoopy and modern, but not Victory crazy.

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The seat is narrower at the front, but much wider at the back. I was less than impressed with the comfort of the rear seat.

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There seems to be fairly reasonable clearance between your knee and the fairing, a bit more than on the older GL1800. With my long legs, my knees were right up against the fairing on the GL1800. Not so on this new bike, there's a good couple of inches of room between my knees and the fairing.

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There is also a little storage cubby right at your knee.

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The passenger is not given much in the ways of comfort if there is no trunk in place.

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With the trunk, the passenger has much more support.

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Although the armrests are miniature little triangles.

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I saw several people trying rider and passenger on the bike, and all seemed to have the same complaints - insufficient support for the passenger. Commonly heard comments were that the seatback was "too upright" and that the seat was "too flat."

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While there is lots of space front to rear, the passenger ends up with their legs spread wide to fit around the much wider rider's seat.

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The single black coil CB antenna looks much like a standard Harley radio antenna.

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Wind wings much like standard Baker Built upper and lower Wind Wings are available. You can turn the uppers out for cold weather:

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Or inward, for warmer weather:

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With the much narrower width of the fairing offering much less wind protection, I would think these upper and lower wings option would be a must:

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An electric motorized windshield is standard, and it runs on rails in the front of the fairing.

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The windshield retracts automatically to the lowest position when the bike is shut off, and returns to its previous height when the bike is next started. It travels around 3-4 inches, from up:

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to down:

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There is a larger windshield also available, which moves the same amount:

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Of course I checked out the trunk size, and it is noticeably smaller. I have seen pictures of two full-faced helmets in here, but I am not quite sure how they managed it.

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Pushing this little rubber button on the top of the saddlebag opens it up.

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The sidebags are also very small looking. Both the door and the interior are oddly shaped.

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Notice all the protrusions and strange shapes intruding on the interior space.

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The massive starter/generator dominates the left side of the bike, notice how much farther forward the cylinder head appears. This powerful engine has been neutered however - Honda has built in a 112 mph speed limiter into the new Goldwing, which seems very low to me. I don't know if this was put in place by lawyers or by engineers, but a massive, powerful bike limited to only 112 mph seems strange.

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Many more controls on this higher level model. Notice the keyswitch is replaced with a knob - as long as you have the keyfob on you, you just twist the knob to turn the bike on.

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The front suspension is an absolutely massive cast aluminum piece. It looks extremely solid.

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Moving slightly to once side, you can see the front shock in behind.

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You can see the tie rods connecting the handlebars to the front steering head. This amazing new suspension system has reportedly completely eliminated the famous "Wing Wobble" decelerating through around 35 mph that has affected just about every Goldwing ever made.

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The front forks are similarly massive and beefy.

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The front tank cubby is actually fairly large, and contains a USB port. On airbag models, this area is used by the airbag, and the USB moves to the trunk.

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The passenger grab rails are miniscule, and tucked into the bottom of the seat. They are very hard to reach for the passenger, and you can only tuck your fingertips into the very bottom of them. This would be much harder to do with gloves on. I had to lean over quite a bit to be able to grab them when seated on the rear - which basically makes them pretty much useless. This was a complaint of almost everyone that tried sitting on the back of the bike. I can't imagine trying to use these with gloves on. I also can't imagine that Honda will leave them as is - either Honda or an aftermarket manufacturer will jump in with an alternative to this oversight.

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Here you can see just how much farther forward the engine is placed.

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I didn't think much of the rear LED brake lights and turn signals. They aren't particularly attractive, nor are they very large. There is no center brake light.

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However there is an available wing with a third brake light if you have a trunk:

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The dashboard is just gorgeous. The LCD panels on the sides are very clear and easy to read, while the center color LCD is beautiful. A multitude of idiot lights adorn every open space.

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I spent about ten minutes paging through the seemingly hundreds of menus and pages of information. Unfortunately Honda did not have navigation maps nor an active Sirius subscription set up on the bikes, so we could not try the maps or listen to the radio. I found the menu system somewhat...laggy. If you pressed the buttons too quickly to move through the menus, it just ignored the button presses that were too quick. When paging or moving through the menus, this meant you had to press; pause; press; pause; in order to work things realistically.

Also something that drove me crazy: When the menu was shown on the screen with two columns of options, you couldn't press the Left/Right buttons to move from one column to the other - instead you have to press the Up/Down buttons to move all the way down through the first column, then up to the top of the second column, and down to your selection. This is user interface at its worst, but fortunately could be fixed with a firmware update.

Speaking of the navigation system, when creating or importing routes, it has a limit of only EIGHT waypoints! For a motorcycle, this is ridiculous, as motorcycle riders generally want to create specific routes that take them on roads they want to ride, and the only way to force the GPS to do this is to use lots of waypoints. Limiting the user to only eight waypoints per route means this is basically not an option - or you have to break each ride up in to many small routes. This is a huge oversight.

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I'm not sure I like the chrome rings around the speedometer - I hate chrome in the cockpit reflecting sunlight into my eyes.

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Same goes for the tachometer. The backlit numbers and divisions are great however.

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The bridge panel is a shortcut way to get to many functions on the screen. You can page through menus with the controller on the left handgrip, or access many of the same functions with these larger buttons and spinny jog dial/enter button. The jog dial is disabled when riding, so menu options such as suspension preload and damping, bluetooth setup, etc. are not available. However commonly used functions such as grip and seat heat have their own buttons next to the jog dial, and these function when under way.

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The cruise control and a rather large, dedicated Mode button (to change between throttle/suspension mode) as well as the kill switch are on the right side. Do you notice anything missing? That's right, the dedicated start switch is gone. To start the bike, you now press the top of the kill switch forward. I'm not sure I like this idea - I have always wanted the start switch close at hand so that the bike can be restarted in an instant in case of emergency.

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The left side is bristling with buttons - volume and windshield on top, phone controls, the menu control buttons, turn signal, audio source, and a horn button nestled on the side. I would have liked to see a larger, more distinct horn button. The buttons on both grips are backlit, which is great - Honda has traditionally reserved backlit buttons for the top-of-the-line versions of the Goldwing only. I'm supremely disappointed at Honda's decision to support only the iPhone on the new GL1800. With only 30% (and steadily shrinking) of market share belonging to iPhone, and Android owning 50% (and growing) of the market, why Honda would decide to exclude Android users from their integrated telematic system is just flabbergasting. Hopefully this will be resolved with a future firmware upgrade.

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The DCT upshift toggle button can be seen on the back of the left handgrip control cluster.

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To turn your high beams on, you push this little toggle forwards:

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To turn them off, or flash them briefly, you pull it in towards you.

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The passsenger can also control the audio system with buttons tucked beneath the grab rail. They can listen to the radio, while you can listen to Sirius, etc - the passenger can select their own audio source.

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Or control their own seat heat.

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Or with a model with CB, also transmit with a push to talk:

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Some photos of various screen modes that I paged through...

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Quite a few status indicators show at the edge of the dashboard.

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Notice with no passenger cubbies or trunk, the rear speakers have to be buried in the saddlebags.

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The speaker and its ported enclosure use the saddlebag as a resonant chamber for bass enhancement.

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However this does cut into the already precious space inside the saddlebag. The standard audio system features only 20 watts of power, and on the road, reports are that it is woefully underpowered, and that the speakers are maxed out trying to cover up the road noise. A 200 watt amplifier with upgraded speaker package is available from Honda, but these speakers are larger and use up more precious cargo space, and the 200 watt amplifier lives inside the left saddlebag - again taking up even more cargo space.

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For bikes with a trunk, the ported rear speaker is located in the trunk.

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Which again takes up precious cargo space.

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The mirrors have LED turn signals on the fronts of them.

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And can be easily rotated by hand inward to prevent damage.

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The DCT models have a parking brake located by your left knee, which is a "pull on, pull off" affair. When the parking brake is on, the handle is out, like this:

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When you pull it and release, it pops back in, releasing the parking brake. To me, that looks like something that a random passer-by could too-easily grab and pull just for fun or curiousity.

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Some very nice weld on the massive aluminum frame.

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No indication of what is beneath the covers other than the fact that there are three of "something." The engine crash bar at the bottom is covered in a plastic cover, which would no doubt be destroyed if one were to drop the bike. As I own a PC800 Pacific Coast with the same exact feature, and whose plastic covers have been unavailable from Honda for MANY years, I am definitely not a fan of this "feature."

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I'm also not a fan of this: It is the helmet lock. The bike has only one, and you need an optional accessory to connect to it in order to secure your helmet to it. It pops out of the left grab rail.

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In order to release/unlock it, you open the left saddlebag and pull this little silver lever. The helmet lock pops out. You use your adapter to secure your helmet, then push it back in to lock it. With the lack of cargo space, I definitely do not like the lack of helmet carrying ability - and instead of dangling from your trunk, out of the rain as has been done on Goldwings for the last 37 years, your helmet is left sitting in the sun, resting on the paint of your saddlebag. Not exactly a design triumph.

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A view of the bike from the rear, with all available lights in place.

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An odd decision to represent a six cylinder motorcycle engine with four exhaust pipes.

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The back end of the bike in its entirety.

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The front end of the bike. The headlights are all LED, but gone is the electric headlight height adjustment that GL1800 owners have been used to for years. Height adjustment is now manual, like it was on the GL1500 - but unlike the GL1500, the headlight height on the new bike cannot be changed while riding.

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Optional driving lights are also available.

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This is a video I took of the suspension in action, as well as showing the windshield raising and lowering, and a look a the handgrips and dashboard:





So...what's my overall impression of the new 2018 Goldwing? I went to the show with a few preconceptions based on all the reviews and information that have been out there. And I have to say...I actually really like this bike. I mean I REALLY like this bike. Despite some obvious shortcomings, the small fuel tank and tiny storage chief at the top of that list, overall it's very comfortable, attractive, obviously well thought-out, and from all reports, it's a blast to drive. I love the technology, I love the front suspension. So what about it Honda, care to lend me one to test for oh, say a year or two? :)



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2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Other Bikes at the Show

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:02 pm

Other Bikes

Some other competitive bikes that I saw at the show...I did not look much at the Harleys this year, as they really haven't appeared to have changed much from previous years.

The two bikes that really caught my eye were Yamaha's answer to the new 2018 Goldwing - the Star Venture and the Star Eluder, the Eluder being the trunkless bagger version of the Venture. Both have some cool, radical styling - it's a pity they are saddled with that hot, crappy, noisy, shaky V-twin. This engine has large, rubbery mounts to try its best to isolate the rider from the shaking and vibration of the V-twin. Here's a radical idea: If you don't want your long-distance touring bike to shake and vibrate, how about not putting a shaky, unbalanced V-twin in it?

The Venture has a large amount of storage, with 144 liters - almost 50% more than the GL1800.

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Like the Goldwing, the 2018 Venture and Eluder are packed with technology.

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I found the rear view somewhat lacking, the three horizontal lights are boring.

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And what is this abomination? It looks like someone screwed an Erector set onto the back of the bike because the passenger wanted a backrest!

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That horrible backrest scaffolding completely ruins the lines of this otherwise attractive bike.

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The front view is serious and menacing with those four headlights.

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Again, too much chrome in the dashboard for my liking.

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And again, boring horizontal taillights that do nothing for the styling of the bike.

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Very nice navigation system that was easy to use, and it was WORKING FOR THE SHOW, take note, Honda!

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It fits into the dash quite nicely, pity about that chrome.

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The massive Can-Am Spyder is always a popular choice for long distance touring.

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Its trunk is truly massive, it's just an endless bottomless pit that goes down and down forever. You could put a rolled-up tent on end down into this trunk and it would swallow it whole!

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The saddlebags are also massive. The total storage between the trunk and saddlebags is a massive 155L!

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The gorgeous BMW K1600 also made an appearance without many changes. Such a beautiful bike, marred by so many reliability issues.

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The cockpit is a miracle of usability. I love the spinny data entry ring on the left handgrip.

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I was very surprised at the spongy brakes on the K1600. I thought maybe it was just one of the show bikes needing its brakes bled, but no, all three of the K1600s had spongy brakes, front and rear. It was fairly easy to squeeze the brake lever right to the grip. Not what I would expect from a BMW.

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Like the new GL1800, it has little (lockable) knee cubbies.

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The K1600 has narrow, fragile saddlebags that require you to use the lid for at least half the storage space. A nightmare to pack. The saddlebags wiggle on the bike and feel like they would break off if you kicked them.

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The trunk is more solid, and lined with carpet instead of left bare ABS like Honda. It also uses gas struts to keep it up when opened.

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The brand new bagger version of the K1600 is an attractive machine.

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In the vintage bikes area they had a gorgeous GL1000 on display:

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State 8 Motorcycles brought several bikes from their show floor, including this very rare DN-01, the precursor to the NM-4.

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I rather liked the colorful iridescent finish on this customer chopper:

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I also liked this BMW police bike, particularly the M4/AR-15 carrier on the back - although I don't think I would want to have to clean my weapon of road grit every day after riding around all day carrying it hanging off the back of my bike! And can you imagine riding in the rain with it back there...

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2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Other Comments about the Show

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:02 pm

Other comments about the show:

I was able to meet Tiffani Burkett and her friend David. I first heard of Tiffani back in early 2016, when she started documenting her solo moto-camping trip across the US in a series of articles for Motorcyclist Magazine. She was new to riding, and what was going to be a trip from her home in Los Angeles to Florida soon became a trip through all lower 48 states and several Canadian provinces, followed by a trip down through Mexico and Central America to Panama...and back.

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She's an amazing person, and faced her fear of speaking in public (for the first time!) presenting her story with David, and answering questions from the crowd.

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I was also glad to see Mark Hood from Fit-Ear at the show again. Five years ago I purchased a set of custom-made, silicone reusable earplugs from him at the show. These are made by injecting silicone into your ear canal, allowing it to cure, then removing it and expertly trimming it. They are without a doubt the best, most comfortable and quietest earplugs I have ever used. They can also embed speakers into them, so that you can hook them into your bike's audio system, or plug them into a phone or other audio source.

I was going to ask how long I should expect them to last, as I have had them for five years. I walked up to his booth, he looked at me for two seconds and said, "so, it's been about five years now, right? You should be good for another five years." I was astounded! He travels shows like this all year long. How could he remember my face from all of the thousands he has met? I asked him; he said "I'm good with faces, I never forget any face."

Wow, just wow. In any case, if you have the opportunity to purchase a set of these custom earplugs, I highly recommend it.

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And of course, jeers and catcalls to the Cleveland IX center for it's absolutely crappy, insanely priced food and drinks. I was desperately hungry, shelled out $7 for a slice of pizza and $4 for a small drink and was treated to the worst pizza I think I have ever eaten.

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So that's it, the 2018 Cleveland motorcycle show is a wrap! Now on to riding season!

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Mag » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:00 pm

I am partial to the blue Wing myself....purty!! And a Foot-Long hot dog is more expensive than a hamburger???? WHO KNEW!!!

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Fiberthree » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:04 am

Thanks for taking the time to document this event for those of us that can't attend for one reason or another. I especially enjoy the video, the comments, and critiques you do. You've gone beyond the flash and dazzle of a new machine to focus on what might be irksome (Like the passenger riding position) and what seems to stand out. (The front suspension)
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by GlimWas » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:42 am

Thanks for the pictures and comments. As usual, very helpful.
Love the lines of the new Goldwing BTW....... It's abit to pricey for my taste over here ; €41.000,- + over here in The Netherlands.....
Or as you would write ; 41,000......... :shock:
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Post by Easy rider » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:01 pm

Untill now this is the best GW review. Thanks

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Alan_Hepburn » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:04 pm

One observation: the photo that shows the trip odometer has the following information displayed:

TRIP: 54.6
RANGE: 50

That implies, to me, that the bike has been ridden 54.6 miles and has a current range of 50 miles, giving it a total range of 104.6 miles? I'm probably (hopefully!) misinterpreting the data...
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Stew » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:30 pm

Looking at the fuel level that's got to be distance to empty.
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:39 pm

Stew wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:30 pm
Looking at the fuel level that's got to be distance to empty.
Correct. It's been ridden 54.6 miles, and has 50 miles of fuel remaining.

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:30 am

Scott,

that is an awesome sequence of photos and your descriptions on what you saw....

Fred Harmon has a 2 day ride report with his opinions of what he feels about the new 2018 bike.

WingStuff is putting it up, but the text is all run together without a single paragraphing mark.

so, I reformatted Fred's great write-up to make it easier to read.

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/66- ... ost5576026
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by minimac » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:01 am

I had previously read Freds report and felt it sounded as though it was written by the Honda advertising department. Please tell me how two people can fit everything needed for two weeks of traveling(even if it was only three days clothing for each) in that tiny trunk.
Scott, that was a nice report and reviews. IMHO, the new wing is, for the most part, nice looking. I don't care for the looks from the rear, but I don't see it when I'm riding, so that's OK.There's no excuse to have to pay extra for wind wings on a bike costing over $20K, to get the wind protection that should be there. Because I'm old, I don't like all that stuff on the display. You have to be a Rhodes scholar to figure it all out, especially since it doesn't seem to be intuitive. It seems as though the trunk and bags are configured as to be minimally useful, and the lack of passenger comfort-especially compared to previous models- would cancel out the big improvement in ride ability. I wonder why it took Honda so long to figure out that by adding weight towards the front (moving the engine forward)would improve the ride. Of course being the first year of a new model, there's bound to be improvements and refinements coming, so maybe in another two years or so, I'll part with my 1500.
That poor Yamaha could be a nice alternative but as pointed out, that backrest is absolutely awful, and why the jiggly Vtwin? Heck, my old Suzuki Cavalcade had a great, smooth, powerful, V4....and that was thirty years ago.
Until the motorcycle manufacturers listen to actual riders, instead of trying to tell us what we want, I guess we'll continue to get not very well thought out gadgets. Rant over.....

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Alan_Hepburn » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:10 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:39 pm
Stew wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:30 pm
Looking at the fuel level that's got to be distance to empty.
Correct. It's been ridden 54.6 miles, and has 50 miles of fuel remaining.
So, it has a range of 100 miles - I thought they said that the range was the same as previous years - does the existing 1800 only have a range of 100 miles? My 1500 with a sidecar easily does 150 miles on a tank...
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Post by AZgl1800 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:35 pm

I agree that Fred's report was couched an awful lot by the Honda advertising team.

No way, is he going to put 7 days of clothes in one of those side bags. Even if he uses the Vacuum type storage bags, it won't fit. I use an NRA duffel bag which is not very big, and it will not fit in the 2018 saddle bag no matter how hard you squeeze it.

The first addon for me, IF, I bought one, would be to get a REAL Windscreen, not that dinky piece of crap that would let me get wet in a rain storm.
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Stew » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:36 pm

Alan_Hepburn wrote:
Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:10 pm
So, it has a range of 100 miles - I thought they said that the range was the same as previous years - does the existing 1800 only have a range of 100 miles? My 1500 with a sidecar easily does 150 miles on a tank...
No, what probably happened was the tank was filled about halfway, someone rode it 54.6 miles and in that tank of fuel you have approx 50 miles remaining.
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Mh434 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:56 am

There are some wild technologies coming out on bikes, that's for sure - but for long distance hauling, it's hard to beat the storage space & comfort of a GL1500. I'm not sure I'm convinced to change up...

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Ralf_CT » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:05 am

Great pics and videos... but couldn't the goldwingdocs.com logo be smaller and placed somewhere in the bottom RH corner, it overpowers everything else?
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by brettchallenger » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:52 am

Thanks for this, great photos, intelligent observations, and meaningful criticism. It is a pity (increasingly expensive) motorcycle magazines can't produce something similar. I am surprised you couldn't get into the reserved for the press, pre-opening bit of the show which I am sure took place.

Just a quick note about the soggy BMW brakes -
was very surprised at the spongy brakes on the K1600. I thought maybe it was just one of the show bikes needing its brakes bled, but no, all three of the K1600s had spongy brakes, front and rear.
These brakes are servo assisted, as they are in cars, and when the engine is fired up, all sponginess disappears.

Again thanks for this.
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by Gatorbait58 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:45 am

The more I see and learn of the 2018 Wing, the more I like my 2012. Why would Honda put so much time and money into completely destroying the ultimate touring bike? Then again they did the same thing only worse with the Valkyrie. I'll keep my 2012 Wing and my 1999 Valkyrie. My personal choice only while everyone else is entitled to theirs. Enjoy what you choose to ride and always ride safe!

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:51 am

brettchallenger wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:52 am
Thanks for this, great photos, intelligent observations, and meaningful criticism. It is a pity (increasingly expensive) motorcycle magazines can't produce something similar. I am surprised you couldn't get into the reserved for the press, pre-opening bit of the show which I am sure took place.

Just a quick note about the soggy BMW brakes -
was very surprised at the spongy brakes on the K1600. I thought maybe it was just one of the show bikes needing its brakes bled, but no, all three of the K1600s had spongy brakes, front and rear.
These brakes are servo assisted, as they are in cars, and when the engine is fired up, all sponginess disappears.

Again thanks for this.
I had wondered if that was in fact the case, as I couldn't imagine a BMW showing a bike with brakes like that. Unfortunately BMW personnel were nowhere to be found (unlike the Honda booth, which was crowded with Honda people) so I couldn't ask!

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:53 am

Ralf_CT wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:05 am
Great pics and videos... but couldn't the goldwingdocs.com logo be smaller and placed somewhere in the bottom RH corner, it overpowers everything else?
I hate doing it...but past history has demonstrated over and over again that people will then just steal my (copyrighted) pictures and use them without permission, sometimes in advertisements even! It's a necessary evil.

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by jbaviera » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:53 am

Mh434 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:56 am
There are some wild technologies coming out on bikes, that's for sure - but for long distance hauling, it's hard to beat the storage space & comfort of a GL1500. I'm not sure I'm convinced to change up...
Agreed, and I'm new to the GW. (95 GL1500A spring of '17) Have to admit, I'd like to take the front suspension and engine and put them on my 1500. That or, find a way to put the rear plastics on the back of the new Wing. Want that room, as I need to travel with my CPAP, though not that big, in that small trunk, over half the space will be gone.
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by jbaviera » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:56 am

WingAdmin wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:51 am
I had wondered if that was in fact the case, as I couldn't imagine a BMW showing a bike with brakes like that. Unfortunately BMW personnel were nowhere to be found (unlike the Honda booth, which was crowded with Honda people) so I couldn't ask!
They were probably over at the Honda booth admiring the the new Wing! :D
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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by richard999 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:01 am

Thanks for all the pics and notes. I see that Honda and the others have yet again forgot us without long arms. The handlebars are always so short. On my 2007 I had to buy Helibars and even those don't let me sit up straight.

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Re: 2018 Cleveland Motorcycle Show Report - Pictures! Video!

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:33 am

richard999 wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:01 am
Thanks for all the pics and notes. I see that Honda and the others have yet again forgot us without long arms. The handlebars are always so short. On my 2007 I had to buy Helibars and even those don't let me sit up straight.
I have long legs and short arms - when driving a car, my legs are always folded up while my arms are stretched straight out! Similary, on my GL1500, my arms are always straight out, and my upper back is the first thing to suffer for it.

On the new GL1800 I find that the seating position is actually a bit more comfortable for me - whether or not that's because the handlebars are closer, or if I'm sitting more upright, I'm not sure.



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