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DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:54 am



This is probably one of the best articles I have read on the differences between DOT and Snell certifications on helmets. It also does not have good things to say about swing-up helmets:

Motorcycle Helmets: All About Helmets



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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby BladeRunner9 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:57 pm

WOW! Thanks for the "heads-up"....OK..a cheap pun.. :lol:
But seriously; That was a fascinating, educational and well written article and everyone should have a read!
Co-incidently I was in Wallmart yesterday, while wondering around I saw one of those DOT helmets, it was a full face and had built in Blue tooth capabilities. It looked REALLY low budget.. cheaply made, in fact it was made of some sort of matt Black finish plastic! It had HUGE white D.O.T. letters on the back.
Actually, it kinda looked like a hockey helmet; at least the plastic finnish did..... :roll:
I have had a lot of different helmets over the yrs, I do prefer an open face half helmet, I do have a full face...don't like it much.
After reading that...I may just start to like my full face a bit more!....That is scarey stuff! :o

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby cyclewizard » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:34 pm

I wish I would have worn a full face helmet sooner, It would have saved me from a few brain injury's.

LOL....

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby guitarlos » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:44 am

I wish that I had read this before buying my present DOT helmet. :shock:

Time to save up for another helmet. Maybe I'll give my present helmet to my ex. ;)

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby BladeRunner9 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:53 pm

I was in my local Honda dealer today picking up some parts. They are having a year end sale, lots of riding gear; After I read this article a week or so ago...it really hit home just how much we as consumers trust the manufacturers to provide us with safe equipment. Well, try as I might...I could NOT find a single Snell approved helmut anywhere in that dealer! :roll: EVERY single one was DOT only.
I suppose it's up to us to not buy something, probably the only way to affect any positive change.
Education is our best tool as far as I'm concerned...Lets keep this type of information comming...It can only benifit all of us in the long run. :idea:

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby pudd750 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:39 pm

since discovering HJC helmets, low entry price, high quality, and parts availability, ive made that my helmet of choice - i have full face HJC ZF-7 that some HJC dealers havent heard of (its an ex-snobile helmet that they actually make a street shield for still) so i removed the big protruding double shield and its now my cold weather/ tons of bugs helmet- i also have a nice open face tho it sits a mile upon me noggin and looks huge

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:32 pm

I look at people with open-face helmets, and think...why? I mean, certainly it's better than no helmet, but...looking at diagrams like this, that detail where, statistically, helmet damage is found after motorcycle accidents. That largest percentage of damage is right where your open-face helmet has nothing to protect you.

Helmet Damage
Helmet Damage


Incidentally, the article linked to at the beginning of this thread is quite out of date. It states the most recent Snell standard is M2000. There was an M2005 after that, and the most current one is now M2010: http://www.smf.org/standards/m/2010/m2010_final

Snell M2010 is a major change, as for the first time they designed the standard to fit both North American DOT as well as European ECE 22-05 standards. This way, a helmet which meets M2010 is legal for sale in North America and in Europe - something that was not the case up until now. M2010 also addresses multiple impacts - up until then, testing done was with a single impact. Motorcycle crashes rarely involve just a single impact on the helmet, so M2010 now tests for resilience and protection with multiple impacts.

This is an EXCELLENT article on helmets, standards, and how to pick your next lid: Motorcycle Helmet FAQ

Another excellent article on testing methodologies, and the differences between ECE and DOT standards: Motorcycle Helmet Safety Standards

And lastly, once again another excellent article on the differences between DOT, ECE 22-05, Snell M2005 and Snell M2010 is here: Snell M2010 Standard. After reading that article, you'll never want a non-M2010 helmet.

Some charts from that last article:

Snell M2010 Transmitted Force
Snell M2010 Transmitted Force


Snell M2010 Transmitted G-Force
Snell M2010 Transmitted G-Force


Snell M2010 Energy Management
Snell M2010 Energy Management


Snell M2010 Velocities
Snell M2010 Velocities

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby pudd750 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:03 pm

true stuff on the open face - if my face is removed id say the helmet failed miserably - i once was airborn long enough to decide to do a forward roll instead of rooting in the gravel road like a pig with my open face- dislocated my shoulder, but my awesome babemagnetness was intact for future quests

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby wayne ian » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:34 pm

I'm sorry to say this but all your info is outdated. See Snell 2012. Changed again to account for body weight. D.O.T. always accounted for size to weight. Snell based everything on extra large and 220 lbs. As of March 2012 Snell allowed for size to weight. You will find a sticker inside the shell under the liner that says Snell2012.

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Re: DOT vs Snell helmets

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:29 pm

wayne ian wrote:I'm sorry to say this but all your info is outdated. See Snell 2012. Changed again to account for body weight. D.O.T. always accounted for size to weight. Snell based everything on extra large and 220 lbs. As of March 2012 Snell allowed for size to weight. You will find a sticker inside the shell under the liner that says Snell2012.


That's interesting, being that there is no mention of a 2012 standard anywhere on the Snell website nor can I find any reference to a 2012 standard anywhere on the web based on a Google search. Where did you hear about this change?




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