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Toy Haulers

Post by bigrnm » Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:28 pm



Hi guys,
I am interested in buying a toy hauler. I have a 2008 GL1800 and I wanted to go and camp in comfort now since I am getting up in age now, and someone was telling me that I should get a toy hauler. I have looked on the internet at some, but it seems overwhelming the amount of floorplans and options available.
My question is,
What should I be looking for in getting a toy hauler that will be able to carry my GL1800 without incident?



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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by vtxcandyred » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:31 pm

What are you looking for????? A fifth wheel or a pull behind camper????? I have a place in Texas that sells on concinement and they have some really good buys in the r.v. department. I'll post the site and if the admins have a problem they can pull it and let me know and I'll p.m. you with it. http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv_p ... sories.htmI've been thinking about a toy hauler too for when I retire. I plan to sell the house and live in the camper and move with the weather. I'm planning on a fifth wheel or a diesel pusher. Good luck with the descission.

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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by bigrnm » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:31 am

Thanks vtx,
I am looking for a pull behind. My tundra can only haul 5000 lbs. according to my owner's manual, even though I have the tow package and it is a four wheel drive. That seems kind of low, doesn't it?
Anyway, thanks for the link, I shall check it out.
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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by Pam » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:46 am

5000 lbs isn't much....I have an 05 duramax and i pull a 5th wheel trailer (wish it was a toy hauler) and it groses over 11000 lbs fully loaded, and the truck doesn't even know there is anything behind it. I would check further either in the manual or with a dealer. I would think the 5000 lbs is the axle rating for the rear axle only. You should have a weight rating for the front and back axles and a third rating for the grosse vehicle weight rating (GVWR).

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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by bigrnm » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:19 am

You're right Frank,
the 5000 lbs. was just for the bumper towing weight, not the hitch. The GVWR rating says 11800 lbs. I am still not sure about all those numbers because I have never towed any trailers with my truck. Any big trailers. I have towed motorcycle trailers, but not anything huge. I will have to really pay attention to what the manual says, and I will probably go to the dealer also, just to make sure. And thanks for the links also Dan. I will check on those today.
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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by Pam » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:06 pm

Another consideration is your class of drivers license. Here in Manitoba the size of the trailer can dictate the size of the trailer you are allowed to pull. Here in Manitoba a regular class 5 license authorizes you to drive cars pickups and 2 axle trucks. You can pull trailers on a class 5 license up to 4540 kg (10.000 lbs) once your trailer exceeds 10,000 you need to up grade your license. As for towing it is very similar to the small trailers except for now you will have trailer brakes, and need more time to stop and accelorate. also you will have to swing wider in corners. I would go to a parking lot ant play around until your comfortable.

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Post by vtxcandyred » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:48 pm

Pam wrote:Another consideration is your class of drivers license. Here in Manitoba the size of the trailer can dictate the size of the trailer you are allowed to pull. Here in Manitoba a regular class 5 license authorizes you to drive cars pickups and 2 axle trucks. You can pull trailers on a class 5 license up to 4540 kg (10.000 lbs) once your trailer exceeds 10,000 you need to up grade your license. As for towing it is very similar to the small trailers except for now you will have trailer brakes, and need more time to stop and accelorate. also you will have to swing wider in corners. I would go to a parking lot ant play around until your comfortable.

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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by RoadRogue » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:37 am

Motorcycles are meant to be ridden not trailered.end of lecture.
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I am the GM of an RV dealership. Let me know how I can help!

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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by bigrnm » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:37 am

Thanks for all the replys. I am still just toying with getting a toy hauler. Pun intended. I would like to know what is available for my class of truck 90daysurvival. Where are you located? I am in West Texas. Not too much of RV dealerships here. Basically only one or two. Haven't had a chance to go there yet. But, if I do get one, I do plan to take it out and practice some Frank. That was a good idea.

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Toy haulers.

Post by bohdan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:32 pm

Greetings Gents. While the wife and I are contemplating our next life's adventure, we were thinking of getting a fifth wheel toy Hauler. Anybody got experience in this? Want to haul a roadsmith trike and a regular goldwing. So far looked at a puma. Any thoughts? Mighty obliged.

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Post by themainviking » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:11 pm

I have a Dutchmen 34 foot hitch trailer toy hauler. It has a 12 foot partitioned off garage in the rear, and 19 feet of living space, but I have a fold down couch, bed and big screen TV in the garage, so when the bikes are out it can be used as a living room. It is not a fifth wheel, but it is probably the largest trailer toy hauler available. We find it very comfortable for trips, but in order to be a toy hauler, it has to have a heavy frame, and so is definitely not fuel efficient to pull. I pull it with a one ton diesel truck, and it gets about 14-17 miles to the gallon hauling flat, and less in the mountains. I have friends who have fifth wheels, and they get a bit more living space with a bit more luxury than I have. I think you can go up to 40 feet with fifth wheels. The only problem any of them have is the low bottom out of Goldwings. I have to raise the nose of my trailer to get the goldwing in or out.
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Re: Toy haulers.

Post by bohdan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:31 pm

Thanks main Viking. When you say bikes, what kind to plop in there ? With a 12 foot partition? How wide is the inside? There are so many kinds of 5th wheels out there, that I am getting lost. Looked at Dutchman, Jayco, forest river, shhhhsh... getting a headache. Like your Dutchman ? Mighty obliged.

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Post by themainviking » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:19 am

bohdan wrote:Thanks main Viking. When you say bikes, what kind to plop in there ? With a 12 foot partition? How wide is the inside? There are so many kinds of 5th wheels out there, that I am getting lost. Looked at Dutchman, Jayco, forest river, shhhhsh... getting a headache. Like your Dutchman ? Mighty obliged.
Yeah, I like my Dutchmen. I love the fifth wheels, but want to keep my truck bed for storage of expensive things, so they go with me when the trailer is parked. Fifth wheels also are about 40% more expensive than trailers. My trailer retailed for $30K, so an equivalent fifth wheel is about $55K up here. Keep in mind our dollar comparison, and that pretty much all trailers and fifth wheels are manufactured in Elkhart, Indiana. As far as width. Mine is 8 feet wide. I can put two Goldwings side by side, and I have four feet left behind that I can slip in a small extra bike like a Harley, LOL. If I put the third bike crosswise, I cannot lower the bed from the ceiling down more than about half way. To explain the partition, it separates the living area from the garage, and has a man door in the middle. When the door is closed, none of the smell of the bikes enters the living part. There are cabinets on the partition wall on the garage side to store anything bike related, with rods for hanging clothing below the cabinets. Oh, and one more perk. If the ramp door is lowered only until it is level with the garage floor, it becomes a deck. There is screening that closes off the garage opening.

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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by Modersical » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:42 am

So, has anyone hauled a Goldwing in their toy hauler. I am getting one, and am brainstorming for revising compartment door/ramp. Being that the floor of toy haulers is about 3 feet off the ground, the stock door/ramp is too short and steep to keep from "high-centering" at the top of the ramp; so some careful, sturdy lengthening of the ramp is in order.

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Post by Modersical » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:57 am

So, has anyone hauled a Goldwing in their toy hauler. I am getting a Keystone Outback Toyhauler and am brainstorming for revising garage door/ramp. Being that the floor of toy haulers is about 3 feet off the ground, the stock door/ramp is too short and steep to keep from "high-centering" at the top of the ramp; so some careful, sturdy lengthening of the ramp is in order.

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Post by Pam » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:47 pm

I have a cougar 326srx toy hauler. I hasd an issue with the toy hauler door. It was the door with a 4 ft extension but to steep. Dealer took it back and added another 4 feet of door, coating it all with bed liner so it has some traction. They put leg support at the joints so now it is a 3 fold door. It is quite long but easy to get the bike in. Now the unload issue the ramp is still to steep and the brakes lock up the front wheel and it just slides,cant use the back brake because I need to keep my feet down. Guy camped next to me one time said he had the same issue. He starts down the ramp puts the bike in 1st gear kills the engine and uses a combination of brake and clutch to slowly come down. I have used that method and it woks good. Its scarry when that monster starts to slide and the brake won't stop it

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Post by Modersical » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:21 am

Any pictures, Pam? Sounds like what I need.
What are the additional panels fabricated from?
Does the added weight make for a pretty heavy door to lower and raise?
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Post by Pam » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:32 am

The addition is made from plywood and the added weight is not an issue for me 5'8" 180 lbs. I don't have any pics and my trailer is stored in a building at this time. I will contact the dealer as they did have a vidio on their web site and let you know

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Post by themainviking » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:51 am

Modersical wrote:So, has anyone hauled a Goldwing in their toy hauler. I am getting a Keystone Outback Toyhauler and am brainstorming for revising garage door/ramp. Being that the floor of toy haulers is about 3 feet off the ground, the stock door/ramp is too short and steep to keep from "high-centering" at the top of the ramp; so some careful, sturdy lengthening of the ramp is in order.
I have hauled mine thousands of miles, when the wife wanted to go along on trips. She cannot backseat on the bike any longer due to issues involved with a stroke she suffered, hence the toy hauler. I have to elevate the front of the toy hauler to not drag the bottom of the bike going in and out. Not a lot, but the more I lift it at the front, the better it gets at the back. I can do this with a power jack because it is a trailer, which I could not do if it was a fifth wheel.
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Post by WingAdmin » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:05 am

At the RV show, I saw two kinds of innovative toy hauler features, both involving the back door.

The first one, the back door was a large, one-piece affair, hinged at the bottom, with an electric motor. You opened it up and used the motor to lower it (required, as that door must have weighed a couple hundred pounds). It reached the ground, and was then used as a full-width ramp to ride the bike up and down into the back. Once the bike was out, it could be raised up off the ground until it was flat, special jackstands placed underneath, and it was then used as a small deck.

The other was similar, but even more elaborate - it did not open down to the ground, it opened flat like a deck, without the use of jackstands. However it then had a second motor that lowered it to the ground, flat, like the lift on the back of a panel truck. Once flat on the ground, you rode your bike onto it, parked the bike, then pressed the button and lifted the whole thing, bike and all, up to the level of the trailer portion. You could then ride/push the bike into the trailer.

Again it could be used as a deck too, and it even had a tent roof and screen walls that could be zipped into place.

All depends on how much $$$ you wish to spend, I suppose!

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Re: Toy Haulers

Post by FM-USA » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:58 am

Whichever option you settle on, keep in mind your Gross Weight is going to be liquid and it'll grow without realizing it.
Food and water are always in fluctuation. Where that extra weight is stored plays a part in the trailers safety.

I'm in the process of building a "live-in trailer" behind my Wing. I must diligently watch ALL the trailers weight to the N'th degree. In my case ounces adds up quick. Currently it's working out to about 400# Net, 500# Wet. Then I figure in clothes, food, utensils, soaps, towels, etc., etc., etc..
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Post by Modersical » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:20 am

Thanks for the fellow brainstorming and sharing of your ideas and experiences. This info gets stored away for future use, even if I'm not able to use today.

I have used that tongue raising technique to load my wing in my 10' trailer, with short tailgate/loading ramp. The safest way of doing this is to back up a set of low ramps, or just onto blocks an inch or 3 high, with tow vehicle, hitch still attached. It makes a world of difference. It is good to have help pulling the tow vehicle off ramp to tie down on more level surface . . . & It's a good idea to kill your engine, but leave it in 1st gear while on incline.

However, with this Keystone Outback Toyhauler, the garage is crossways, in front end of trailer in combination bunkhouse, with fold down bunk beds; so door opens toward the curbside, just behind the hitch.

I do like the deck notion that WingAdmin mentioned, about bracing up the ramp/door to use as a deck, although the door width is just 56" wide. Small deck, but usable . . . Especially if fabricating some panel with door &/or window to let some outside light in! Otherwise, this garage has no window nor walk door, except back into living area. And, would you believe my wife has her eye on this garage/storage space to set up a quilting and Sewing room!?!? I may need to go ahead and get a ball on the back bumper of trailer to tow a tandem trailer with bike! Then, I don't have to worry about lengthening the ramp! Decisions, Decisions! And. . . who gets to make them? Ah! It's a 40 year relationship . . . we'll work it out!

FM-USA, I am very interested in your trailer build! Do you have pics, or maybe have a thread on here in your building progress. 400-500 is a bunch to tow behind a Wing! Are you planning for electric brakes? What are your Floor and walls made of?

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Post by FM-USA » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:46 am

Modersical wrote:Thanks for the fellow brainstorming and sharing of your ideas and experiences. This info gets stored away for future use, even if I'm not able to use today.

FM-USA, I am very interested in your trailer build! Do you have pics, or maybe have a thread on here in your building progress. 400-500 is a bunch to tow behind a Wing! Are you planning for electric brakes? What are your Floor and walls made of?
Thanks, guys, Modersical/David
No pix, nor will there be for "IF" this trailer is a hit, I need to copy-write the design.
Elec. Brakes a must if hauling more than 400#.
I've hauled 1500# on a couple occasions with my Wing, clutch is still good. it's got 200,000 miles.
Since this is a major project, I'm not rushing it. Plans are still on paper but all the interior stuff is bought. I'll be designing the interior first that dictates the trailer size. Still unsure if it's a 4 x 10 up to 5 x 12, but it will open to 8 x 10 up to 9.5 x 12. I like room to move so I am leaning towards the 4.5 x 12 design.

Highway winds will be almost no problem due to it's design. The only real problem I have is when its set up. Winds and it being lightweight, I need to find a way to hold it down with out tie-downs. "Walmart rule" or I'll have to "Park Smart" all the time.


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