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Hmm. Ironic, but not good.

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:54 am



Bareheaded motorcyclist dies in helmet protest

A bareheaded motorcyclist participating in a ride to protest mandatory helmet laws was killed when he was thrown over the handlebars in Onondaga, New York.

Philip A. Contos, 55, of Parish, New York, was on a ride organized by the Onondaga chapter of American Bikers Aimed Towards Education (ABATE), state police said Sunday.

Contos hit his brakes, began fishtailing and lost control of his 1983 Harley Davidson. He shot over the handlebars, hit his head on the pavement and was taken to Upstate University Hospital in Syracuse, New York, where he was pronounced dead.

State police say evidence at the scene plus information from the attending medical expert indicated Contos would have survived had he been wearing a helmet as required by state law.

Asked about the apparent irony of Contos' death, the statewide president of ABATE, Thomas Alton, said, "We are riding at an increased risk and accept that. ... This individual was a seasoned rider, not a newbie. He made an adult decision. A full decision to ride in the manner he rode in."

Another New Yorker who has been a motorcyclist for over 50 years, Joseph Costantini, said, "I would never ride without a helmet -- even in a state that says you don't have to. I understand where the protesters are coming from because ultimately it's a matter of choice. For me, I would wear a helmet no matter what. ... Must feel great to ride without a helmet because sometimes it's uncomfortable. ... I'm sure his family isn't going to be happy."

Motorcycle helmet use dropped from 67% in 2009 to 54% in 2010, according to a press release issued by the Governors Highway Safety Association.

"This is another sad and tragic example where we have lost someone due to the lack of wearing a helmet," said Jonathan Adkins, communications director for the association.

According to Alton, a large percentage of motorcycle fatalities are due to inexperience and drivers not seeing motorcyclists when switching lanes or making turns.

ABATE of NY Inc. is organizing a memorial "to honor an individual who rode for freedom and risked his all for freedom," he said. A formal date is still to be determined.

Annual motorcycle deaths have more than doubled since the late 1990s with 5,290 in 2008, based on a report issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.



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Postby detdrbuzzard » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:30 pm

they have been trying to get michigans helmet law repealed for quite some time now but i really don't care if they ( abate ) gets the law changed. i'm one of the lucky ones that wouldn't be here if i wouldn't have been wearing a helmet
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Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:35 pm

detdrbuzzard wrote:they have been trying to get michigans helmet law repealed for quite some time now but i really don't care if they ( abate ) gets the law changed. i'm one of the lucky ones that wouldn't be here if i wouldn't have been wearing a helmet


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Postby cowboybob » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:32 am

I agree it is a personal choice as to wear or not to wear.

I used a helmet back in the 50's when hardly anyone was using one. Luckily I have never had a need for it, but it was there if I had.

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Postby Oldsmores » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:11 pm

cowboybob wrote:I agree it is a personal choice as to wear or not to wear...
bobc

It may be a personal choice, but unless you are truly alone in the world that choice can have devastating consequences for family, friends, and loved ones. This incident had the best possible outcome - he was killed outright. Had he lived and sustained a serious head injury he would have saddled someone (either family or society) with a massive financial mess, not to mention the emotional toll. All so he could feel the wind through his hair?
OK, off my soapbox - but I've seen it, and it's not pretty.

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Postby thrasherg » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:36 pm

I have to say that I believe everyone has the right to choose and should be allowed that right. I have ridden motorcycles for 30+ years and destroyed over 4 helmets in serious accidents which would have killed me if I was not wearing the helmet, so I will always choose to wear one, but that's my choice.. I would definitely fight for someone else's right to not wear a helmet if they wanted..

Watching I don't fall of my soapbox, but knowing I have a helmet on so the outcome won't be too bad if I do!! :lol:

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Postby Coder » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:32 am

In the course of my volunteer work for the community, I attend many accident scenes, mainly for traffic control. I have seen scenes where we have to wait for the Vehicular Crimes people to finish their investigation (they only get one chance to collect the evidence, so it is a total shutdown till they are done), then for the coroners truck to cart away the deceased. All this can take several hours, shutting down a major intersection in a large city to all through traffic!

Now add in the extra time for a bio-hazard specialist to come in and clean up the blood and grey matter spilled on the pavement so nobody can sue the city for someone contracting some weird ailment as a result of it.

If you won't wear a helmet to save yourself, then please wear a body bag with openings cut for the arms and legs. That way, you won't hold up everyone else for so long when you wipe out!

And before you ask, no I'm not biased, just practical advice from some really gruesome real life experience!
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Postby crock4 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:44 am

A truly sad, and trajic situation for all involved. I just hope that this will inspire someone who doesn't wear a helmet to start. :(
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Postby biker4christ » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:45 pm

i wear one here in Mo. because we have too,but when we travel outside mo i will take it off except in bad weather or any other hazardous condition,, its just my opinion but when its my time to go, its not gonna matter if im wearin a helmet or not or if im sittin on the couch at home ,,when your # is up ,,its up

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Postby marvin75 » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:09 pm

i thank god that i live in one of the 2 states that don't have a helmet law

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Postby crock4 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:31 am

It seems the only thing we agree on is that we disagree... That is the nice thing about freedom of speech. We all get an opinion, and a choice. I do not agree with legislating laws about personal choices, and I try to always respect other opinions, even when they don't reflect mine. Emotional issues are never settled through arguement, but invariably through life experience. So I say ride, helmet or not, ride, boots, shoes, or flipflops, ride, jacket, or tee shirt, JUST RIDE..
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Postby biker4christ » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:51 am

VERY WELL SAID CROCK4 :D
It is sad he lost his life,but he was doin what he loved !!

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Postby guitarlos » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:05 am

To each his own, but I firmly believe that if you have a ten dollar head, buy a ten dollar helmet. ;)

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Postby starfleetengineer » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:27 pm

:( Out Goverment has taken to many of our freedoms away the way it is. It matters not if you believe you should wear a helment or not. The big problem that everyone over looks is that the Goverment is slowly taking our freedoms away. Little by little. When we were kids, we didn't have to wear seatbelts. Well look at us now. They wanted lighter cars to save on gas, but yet they are rasieing the speed limits :? These new cars can't take the the force of an accident of the older cars that we could walk away from. People drive like crazed idiots :shock: and always say, " I didn't see them " First thing out of their mouth because they are not paying attention :( They always blame it on the people who don't want to wear helments or not wearing their seatbelt. Not knowing the other guy was drunk and should never had been on the road or the lady putting her makeup on, or the people texting or talking on their cell phone not whatching where they are going. Most don't see the hole picture. The news won't report that!!!!! :x So if I am to be in an accident with some one stupid like that and wine up in a wheel chair or a bed with 24/7 life support, I'd rather ride without my helment and spare my family the cost and the time the would have to put towards me to keep my useless body alive. That is not away to live :cry: And the next time you come accrost an accident why not think about what caused it and not say well he/she wasn't wearing a seatbelt or they wernt wearing a helment. Maybe the other peorson shouldn't have been on the road in the FIRST PLACE :!: :!:
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Postby biker4christ » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:16 pm

:D :D :D starfleet :D :D :D

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Postby Steve F » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:17 pm

starfleetengineer wrote:So if I am to be in an accident with some one stupid like that and wine up in a wheel chair or a bed with 24/7 life support, I'd rather ride without my helment and spare my family the cost and the time the would have to put towards me to keep my useless body alive.

You're making it sound that if you were in an accident without your helmet, that you are going to be killed outright regardless. Have you ever considered the fact that you can become a veggie with a simple bump on the head? It doesn't take a major trauma incident to render yourself useless and a burden on your family.
I have always said that if you don't have anything inside your skull worth protecting, then forget about a helmet....I always wear a helmet.
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Postby starfleetengineer » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:58 pm

Steve F wrote:
starfleetengineer wrote:So if I am to be in an accident with some one stupid like that and wine up in a wheel chair or a bed with 24/7 life support, I'd rather ride without my helment and spare my family the cost and the time the would have to put towards me to keep my useless body alive.

You're making it sound that if you were in an accident without your helmet, that you are going to be killed outright regardless. Have you ever considered the fact that you can become a veggie with a simple bump on the head? It doesn't take a major trauma incident to render yourself useless and a burden on your family.
I have always said that if you don't have anything inside your skull worth protecting, then forget about a helmet....I always wear a helmet.

I know what it takes :roll: I smack my head all the time at work. I'm not looking to be in an accident nor do I wish to be in one. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote, but just for you I will readers digest it for you ;) There are many stupid drivers on the road doing many stupid things besides watching the road :o At any time any one of us could meet up with one of those drivers. I told my family that if I was ever to be in an accident were I was to become a veggie, my wish was I did "NOT" wish to live that way. "MY CHOICE" They understand that and respect it. I chose to ride without a helmet at times. Yes I could have my melon split wide open, but did you think that you could be split open from stem to stern with you insides laying all over the ground :?: But hey you had your helmet on :!: I don't disrespect anyone who wears a helmet nor should they disrespect or lecture me :x I have already had 2 strokes in 5 years, so I will live my life the way I want ;). We can all die riding motorcycles. So lets not forget we are all brothers and sisters on 2 wheels. Weather we wear helmets or not is not the issue here. The issue should be are we going to stand up for each other as brothers and sisters :?:
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Postby ACEWINGER » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:06 pm

I wear mine every time all the time. Not worth the risk just to look like a tough guy

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Postby WA9FWT » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:54 pm

biker4christ wrote:i wear one here in Mo. because we have too,but when we travel outside mo i will take it off except in bad weather or any other hazardous condition,, its just my opinion but when its my time to go, its not gonna matter if im wearin a helmet or not or if im sittin on the couch at home ,,when your # is up ,,its up


I for one sure don't go along with your thinking.
I have slid along a highway on my side,and if it was not for my Helmit my ear would not be here.
Last season I dropped the bike after a very long ride, landed on the cement with my head.The couple that was with me picked up my helmit ( brand new ) and showed me the mark it left on it's side.Again I was wearing the protection.I didn't even know my head hit the cement.

I for one will not leave home with out one. Age 72 and have been on a cycle for many a year.
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Postby thrasherg » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:17 pm

WA9FWT wrote:
biker4christ wrote:i wear one here in Mo. because we have too,but when we travel outside mo i will take it off except in bad weather or any other hazardous condition,, its just my opinion but when its my time to go, its not gonna matter if im wearin a helmet or not or if im sittin on the couch at home ,,when your # is up ,,its up


I for one sure don't go along with your thinking.
I have slid along a highway on my side,and if it was not for my Helmit my ear would not be here.
Last season I dropped the bike after a very long ride, landed on the cement with my head.The couple that was with me picked up my helmit ( brand new ) and showed me the mark it left on it's side.Again I was wearing the protection.I didn't even know my head hit the cement.

I for one will not leave home with out one. Age 72 and have been on a cycle for many a year.
WA9FWT Phil


You make it sound like you want to reach 73!! :D Like you I have done lots of stupid things and banged my helmet, I just know it would have really hurt without a helmet, so I wear one to save me the pain.. I like to ride, not apply bandages and ointment to my head.. But I still believe it should be the riders decision, even if I think you are a complete moron for not wearing one!!

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Postby MJSantos » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:19 pm

My two cents, helmets should be a matter of choice. My preferance is to wear one since I'm prone to hurt myself all of the time anyway. What should be done is make helmets mandatory for cagers. Think of the practical side. No more make up jobs behind the wheel. Cells phone usage would have to be hands free. The big thing that has been brought up is the cars today a smaller, lighter and the speed limits are up, helmets are mandatory in race cars Hmmmmmmm.

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Postby Britanicus » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:00 am

In my opinion not wearing a helmet is like participating in an extreme sport.

You should have to buy addition insurance for the terminally stupid.

I for one and sick and tired of watching my taxes sky rocket because of people that want live on the edge then cost us all millions of dollars in medical and related costs.

Before you can sky dive or extreme moutain bnike you should be made to provide the proof of additional insurance. If you get pulled over you should be made to show your additional insurance tag or get a major fine for not wearing a helmet.

That way the rest of can ignore you and our taxes would not be impacted.

But then of course Insurance rates would go up so meh.... Just wear a helmet you putzes.

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Postby BirdJayne » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:21 am

We wear our helmits 95% of the time...Most of the people we ride with don't.

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Postby biker4christ » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:40 am

u guys can call us morons ,idiots ,10 cent heads :cry: whatever, its still our choice,and like i said ,,when its your time ,,its your time,it doesnt matter what your doin or how your doin it :D

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Postby thrasherg » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:54 pm

biker4christ wrote:u guys can call us morons ,idiots ,10 cent heads :cry: whatever, its still our choice,and like i said ,,when its your time ,,its your time,it doesnt matter what your doin or how your doin it :D


I wouldn't call you stupid, but I do think the statement "when its your time ,its your time" is stupid!! Obviously as this guy wasn't wearing a helmet and died his time must have been up, but I can't help but believe that if he was wearing a helmet he would now be alive and waiting for his next time to come up later on!!
I agree with everyone right to choose, but thinking that when your time is up, nothing will alter the outcome seems very naive and a stupid reason to me for not wearing a helmet.. I would prefer people just be honest and say they like the sensation/freedom of not wearing a helmet and accept the higher risk that they might be killed if not wearing a helmet!! To me there is nothing shameful about being honest.
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