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Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:28 pm



I'm partway through replacing the timing belts on my GL1500, I pull the covers off...and some idiot previous owner/mechanic botched the gasket when reinstalling the main cover. The gasket is torn all along the bottom, and the channel in the cover itself is bent from a combination of heat and excessive pressure from the gasket that was folded over double. I can fix the cover with a heat gun and some pressure, but now I have to order a new gasket, which means the bike will sit in pieces all over the garage for even longer. I HATE starting a job and then not being able to finish it. HATE it!!

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:38 pm

Here's what's left of the bottom gasket - folded over, dried, cracked, useless:

Destroyed Gasket
Destroyed Gasket


Here's the cover - I've already heated this up and re-formed it to fix it.

Deformed cover channel
Deformed cover channel


Now I just have to wait for my gaskets....

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:44 pm

Looks like someone got in a hurry there, those gasket's ain't cheap if there anything like the 1100's, I would be venting too, go get that trusty 1100 you keep thinking about out of storge and ride that sucker man...Forget about the 1500...For now..So were the timing belts changed out lately or did you change them, did they write a date down inside the cover, I'm curious ?

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:00 pm

littlebeaver wrote:Looks like someone got in a hurry there, those gasket's ain't cheap if there anything like the 1100's, I would be venting too, go get that trusty 1100 you keep thinking about out of storge and ride that sucker man...Forget about the 1500...For now..So were the timing belts changed out lately or did you change them, did they write a date down inside the cover, I'm curious ?


$50 for those stupid little pieces of rubber. Oh well. At least it will be right when it's done.

I was told that the belts had been changed quite recently when I bought the bike. However, I was also told some other things (i.e. air filters, etc.) had just been done, and when I pulled it apart, that was obviously not true. So I had to assume that the belts had not been done either, and decided to change them.

No dates in the cover or anywhere else...but there is now. :)

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby littlebeaver » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:30 pm

Maybe a letter is in order, naaaw what comes around goes around, when I sold my Nomad I was totally honest with the guy I sold it to, I even gave him my HF yellow bike lift so he could raise the bike, I didn't have any use for it, was it any harder to change out the 1500 belts as opposed to the 1100..?

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby RoadRogue » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:00 pm

On the plus side you are not missing out on riding time while you are waiting for the new gaskets to arrive. Damn snow, deep sigh!!!!!!
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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby tandem54 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:04 pm

Don't yah just love it! Most of this stuff is NOT rocket sience but some moron dosn't take the time and YOU have to pay for it by fixing it wright!!! I'll never figure out why people don't just leave well enuogh alone if they don't have no clue?!
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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:28 pm

littlebeaver wrote:Maybe a letter is in order, naaaw what comes around goes around, when I sold my Nomad I was totally honest with the guy I sold it to, I even gave him my HF yellow bike lift so he could raise the bike, I didn't have any use for it, was it any harder to change out the 1500 belts as opposed to the 1100..?


There is more in the way of hoses to get out of the way for the 1500, but at least you don't have to pull the rad like the 1100 (I know, you can do the 1100 without pulling the rad, but only if you want to leave a lot of knuckle skin behind). Once apart, the 1500's belts are a lot easier to get off and on than the 1100, at least to me they seemed to be.

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:29 pm

tandem54 wrote:Don't yah just love it! Most of this stuff is NOT rocket sience but some moron dosn't take the time and YOU have to pay for it by fixing it wright!!! I'll never figure out why people don't just leave well enuogh alone if they don't have no clue?!


The thing is, the guy who I bought it from was not mechanically inclined at all - everything on the bike, even oil changes, was done by his mechanic, and I have the receipts to prove it (although not one showing timing belts).

So the hamhanded cover installation job was a mechanic's gaffe, not an owner. Not that it makes it any better.

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby dingdong » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:24 am

Some P. O.s are bad enough but 18 year old "mechanics" paid by the hour or commission are even worse. Never will I pay some idiot, who I don't know, to work on a bike of mine. I feel for you. At least it's winter so not much time to ride anyway.
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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:10 am

dingdong wrote:Some P. O.s are bad enough but 18 year old "mechanics" paid by the hour or commission are even worse. Never will I pay some idiot, who I don't know, to work on a bike of mine. I feel for you. At least it's winter so not much time to ride anyway.


I trust my own workmanship more than any mechanic. He isn't the one that will be risking his life riding on the result of his workmanship.

I remember reading online about a guy who had a GL1200, and after having a new front tire put on by a Honda dealership, he took it back because the front end felt "wobbly." The mechanics who had worked on the bike looked at it and turned white - they had forgotten to torque the axle holder bolts, putting them in only finger tight. Three of the four bolts were gone as was the axle holder on one side, the only remaining bolt was a few threads from falling out, and it was the only thing still holding the front wheel on the bike.

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby littlebeaver » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:29 pm

Sounds like someone went on coffee break came back an forgot about it, or their boss man was yelling to hurry up, Or maybe a pretty girl entered the shop and they got all distracted what ever the case, there's no excuse for that happening what a nightmare... Hey that would be a great post in the chat area, Nightmare Stories, might be fun to read.. :D Wait we are in the chat area... :shock:

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:19 pm

9 days later...my gaskets finally came in today, so I spent the evening installing them, replacing the timing belt covers, re-hooking up all the hoses and wires, filling the coolant, and test-starting the engine. I'm happy to report no pistons came flying out the side of the engine, and no valves were injured. Now onto the next task...

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:22 pm

Incidentally...when I pulled the old gaskets out of the timing belt cover, they were hard and brittle - and quite obviously not sealing well anymore. I'm glad I DID replace them.

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Postby trike lady » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:34 pm

dingdong wrote:Some P. O.s are bad enough but 18 year old "mechanics" paid by the hour or commission are even worse. Never will I pay some idiot, who I don't know, to work on a bike of mine. I feel for you. At least it's winter so not much time to ride anyway.

That's one reason why I like to do my own work. The 18 year olds would rather work on sport bikes.
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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby tandem54 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:23 pm

Installed timing belts last weekend, She sounds GREAT! Now I'm cleaning, fixing all the little things that get "Overlooked" No machanic is going to fix or tell you about this stuff!
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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:28 pm

You know, the first time I ever did timing belts (on my 1100) I was holding my breath the first time I started the engine, half expecting it to blow up, after hearing all the horror stories.

This time when I did actually start it up (after adding coolant, I needed to run it to get the air out of the radiators), I didn't even THINK about the possibility of doing damage from incorrectly installed belts. It was only after it was running, I thought to myself, "oh, I guess the belts are alright." :)

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby bustedwing » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:38 pm

That's the nice part of doing it yourself, confidense.
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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby Pam » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:35 pm

I have been in a few shops and the back is full of kids doing after school and weekend jobs. They don't know which end of anything to hold onto or even how to hold onto it. There was a post earlier about kids only wanting to work on sport bikes. This is true the faster and louder it is the better they like it. Some shops have not interst in touring bikes. Probobly because they generally don't need anything more than maintence,

just my 2 cents worth

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:42 pm

Well I've got my timing belts how-to article posted now: How to remove and replace your timing belts

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Postby trike lady » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:22 pm

Pam wrote:I have been in a few shops and the back is full of kids doing after school and weekend jobs. They don't know which end of anything to hold onto or even how to hold onto it. There was a post earlier about kids only wanting to work on sport bikes. This is true the faster and louder it is the better they like it. Some shops have not interst in touring bikes. Probobly because they generally don't need anything more than maintence,

just my 2 cents worth

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Re: Arghgh timing belts

Postby Pam » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:51 am

Great how to article, and lots of pic's too : :D :D :D




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