Fork Seal Repacement


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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by N2PPN » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:46 pm



Did mine WITHOUT removing tubes, just sliders.

MJSANTOS also did his this way which was why I decided not to remove tubes. This way I didn't have to mess with the triple tree or remove the fairing...

Either way you do it, it was easier than I thought it would be, just pay close attention to the reassembly order so you won't have any problems..

Good Luck...

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:07 pm

Well this is my first time trying this seal change got one tube out dustcover remove and what can go wrong well snap ring all corroded rusty build up of some thing hard cleaning the the first thing to go was one of the holes just broke off. So did some prying and had it moving then broke off. So I try the other direction same thing. Not sure how I am gonna get the rest of the snap ring out. Maybe some small needle nose I don't know. LOL :(

Yep I can see I gonna need more than seals if I get the snap ring out bummer.
Frank

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:37 pm

midnightrider1 wrote:Well this is my first time trying this seal change got one tube out dustcover remove and what can go wrong well snap ring all corroded rusty build up of some thing hard cleaning the the first thing to go was one of the holes just broke off. So did some prying and had it moving then broke off. So I try the other direction same thing. Not sure how I am gonna get the rest of the snap ring out. Maybe some small needle nose I don't know. LOL :(

Yep I can see I gonna need more than seals if I get the snap ring out bummer.
Frank


:D Got the snap ring out what a job use one of the eye glasses kit flat head screwdriver use it was able to get behind it a few time till I was able to use a bigger screwdriver and pop it out other looks to be in better shape but it has crud on it as well it soaking right now waiting on the sun to go down some to start again gonna replace both snap rings and the bottom blots and copper washer on the sliders. :D

Frank

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:25 pm

Order new bushings and bolts and washers and have to wait till Friday till they come in. Bolts came out ok felt like the could strip out one way or other. Wow gonna have about $200.00 in parts in the forks $60.00 some dollar for the seal kit and now $126.00 for new bolts washers snap rings and 6 bushings might have to ask a big strong friend of mind maybe to start the nut over the springs wow is there pressure there one got away from me cause I wasn't paying attention got lucky lol. Go pick my parts up Saturday don't like leaving my bike on the stand that long never know what will happen next.

Neat thing did happen I needed valve cover left side and cam cover and my brother n law has ridden wings for ever and gave me the parts he don't ride GW any more. But he sure has help me in many ways telling what what as he saw it.

Who says old dogs can't learn new tricks this old man is LOL :D

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by littlebeaver » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:32 pm

Good one Santo's.... :D

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:58 pm

I ended up pulling the tubes which was the really best go for me. I have the forks rebuilt had to order the bushing as well pick them up yesterday and got everything clean up and install on the forks. Crown nut and them strong springs took everything I had in me bent over belly over the tube push as hard as I could didn't think I could do it for a bit, and I got to take the caps off again and add trany fluid to the forks. Don't think I have the strength again today to do it. Wow cancer and the treatments and muscle loss but I keep on going lol. I have a lot of work to do on this bike if I knew then what I know now I would of walk away. But its a good project for me gives me something to do.

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:26 pm

Its a done deal today bike back up and running new tires new seals and bushing it rides completely different I not fighting it now and them on even roads and patches made a big difference don't feel them now. Right on far out and all that stuff. old man still can do things. LOL :D

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by pudd750 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:01 am

wow did this thread take my fear out of this R&R ! i got some seals (red super seals, the ebay seller said)- now ready to hose myself down with mosquito dope and go for it - looks waaaay too easy ! the deeler said $170 for the pair if i drag them in - extreme- shoestring budget here- need to avoid the $70/hr. when possiblle

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:03 am

pudd750 wrote:wow did this thread take my fear out of this R&R ! i got some seals (red super seals, the ebay seller said)- now ready to hose myself down with mosquito dope and go for it - looks waaaay too easy ! the deeler said $170 for the pair if i drag them in - extreme- shoestring budget here- need to avoid the $70/hr. when possiblle

Yes its pretty easy to do I just took my time making sure I was doing it right and I get tired easy any more.
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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by msteinbrink » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:23 pm

The seal replacememnt went smooth, but the seals are still leaking a little. Any chance I put the seals in upside down or is there something wrong with the tubes?
Thanks for the great pics, instructions, ideas, and lessons!
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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:48 am

msteinbrink wrote:The seal replacememnt went smooth, but the seals are still leaking a little. Any chance I put the seals in upside down or is there something wrong with the tubes?
Thanks for the great pics, instructions, ideas, and lessons!
Mike

well if you could see the lrtters on the seals look from the top of the tube they are on right the bottom of the seals you be able to see a grove all the way around it. I use 000 steel wool to clean and polish the tubes and then put trany fluid on the tubes before i slid them on. did you change your bushings out? maybe someone else will have some answers

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by pudd750 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:41 pm

in Ebay a seller sez 1500 and 1200 fork dust caps are the same - true or false? thanks
edit - chilly outside, zero mosquitoes- YEEHAW ! !

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by midnightrider1 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:20 pm

pudd750 wrote:in Ebay a seller sez 1500 and 1200 fork dust caps are the same - true or false? thanks
edit - chilly outside, zero mosquitoes- YEEHAW ! !

I have no ideal for sure.

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by pudd750 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:31 pm

got my new dust seals, so am ready to begin reassy- hope my springs arent shot, cuz theyre going back in - i do cheat when putting the spring caps in, with the right size socket and a nice heavy impact wrench to hepl me push- yes its scary, i usually never willingly start a thread with power, too easy to cross thread, but in this case the caps just run right in (having the air tool as close to inline with the fork as possible), then just a light push is required to start the cap -of course i just snug the caps to a few ft/lbs
i was surprised to see how little the new dust caps ID is compared to the old- 1/4" diff! ! i thought s--t- this is the wrong part, but nope, it slips on the fork fine, and is very pliable - the ID has a lot of room to enlarge, before its worn out
thanks to this forum and this thread -- CANNOT wait to ride 'er again with a few lbs of air in the forks --
edit- found a seller that will send 2 dust caps to your door for $12.99 free shipping -(about half normal price) this Honda pt # (91254-MM8-003) fits Sabres and Magnas (and 1988-1990 GL1500s too) etc - KandKscooters@yahoo.com or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FRONT-FO ... 27bdfedcfb

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by pudd750 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:53 pm

micro filed the little volcanos of rust pitting to flat on one fork, cheap way out is best for me, new seals, caps, 11. something oil in each leg, my pads have cleaned up (brakleen) to where they stop the bike nicely, success ! ! - once i know how to do a project i dont mind doing it every so often , its the unknown that kills me-- thanks again for the forum

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by cw8 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:27 pm

I finally got mine done! I essentially had to replace everything... Bushings, sleeves, backup washers (they now are the flat ones from Honda, not the raised ones - confirmed today), seals, c-clips and dust covers. The whole job went pretty smoothly, especially after taking time to clean everything.

Just a potential trick for people struggling with getting caps back on. Before I put the upper springs in, I checked to see where the caps would grab the thread, then remembered the approximate position. Then after putting in the ATF and the upper springs using the 2x2 trick and pressed the caps with a slight rotation to the left, then turned right. It made it quite simple to get the caps back on (30 seconds max.)! And the front fork is even holding air now too!!! Hooray!

Now I think I might have a problem with the forks. There is now a squeal when the fork moves up and down. Has anyone seen or heard of this before? Is there something I can check before I take them apart again!?

Thanks again!

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by N2PPN » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:58 pm

Does it sound like old bedsprings?? (you know, like the "squeaking" of an old bed when you and your high school girlfriend were going at it hot and heavy) If it does, then it is just until the springs get coated with oil again... I had the same noise with the new progressive springs I installed when I did my forks/seals/bushings/ etc. earlier in this thread... now the bike is quiet when I "bounce" her up and down on her forks...



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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by pudd750 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:01 pm

i wonder if its a seal squeal or a spring squeak -id hate to try to say that fast- my springs were noisy before with low oil but now theyre quiet

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by cw8 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:29 am

Well good news for me! After letting her sit overnight and a few "presses" this morning, she is sounding much better! There's a little spring noise, but I imagine when I get out on the road and really get the oil mixed around in there this will go away, or a least I won't hear it...

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by pudd750 » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:23 am

cw8 wrote:I finally got mine done! I essentially had to replace everything... Bushings, sleeves, backup washers (they now are the flat ones from Honda, not the raised ones - confirmed today), seals, c-clips and dust covers. The whole job went pretty smoothly, especially after taking time to clean everything.

Just a potential trick for people struggling with getting caps back on. Before I put the upper springs in, I checked to see where the caps would grab the thread, then remembered the approximate position. Then after putting in the ATF and the upper springs using the 2x2 trick and pressed the caps with a slight rotation to the left, then turned right. It made it quite simple to get the caps back on (30 seconds max.)! And the front fork is even holding air now too!!! Hooray!

Now I think I might have a problem with the forks. There is now a squeal when the fork moves up and down. Has anyone seen or heard of this before? Is there something I can check before I take them apart again!?

Thanks again!
very good idea checking and marking where the top nuts start threading with a black marker perhaps

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by littlebeaver » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:56 pm

I did something sorta like that to get the top cap screw on with the spring weight, I'm not saying is any better but I'm just telling how I did it after some thought a while back...I had an old sledge hammer I never use for anything because I have others 16lb's head, I just cut the handle off to about 10" long and knotched the handle to fit the top cap, the weight of the sledge simplified my process...It's a big T with weight backing you... Don't go and try this, it's just how I did it.. :D

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by ttouring » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:42 pm

I just replaced my fork seals (1982 Gl1100 Interstate).I don't understand all the confusion. First let me explain I have NEVER replaced fork
seals on anything in my life and I spent a total of 2hrs on this task & I took 3 bathroom breaks (one long one) . There is no mystery about it.
You take the wheel & fender off,move the dust seal up the cylinder,remove the snap ring and move it up the cyl.then drain out the oil,remove the allen screw in the bottom,then pop the lower half down to dislodge the seal. Pull of upper halves off ther bike(you can do this without removing any of the fairing,use a 3ft.piece of 1 1/2 inch PVC pipe to install the seal,the tap in the dust seal and put everything back together. I used a plastic baby bottle to measure and put shock oil in through the drain plug and reinstall forks back on bike.--works great
Why would any want to take the springs out is beyond me.

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by TXrumbles » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:03 am

Does anybody have a way of getting the lower section off if the seals will not pop out. I've remove the the clip and they haven't moved! Any suggestion will be appreciated, I've pulled the tubes and all off. :?:

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by TXrumbles » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:28 pm

Disregard last message, operator spaced out!

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Re: Fork Seal Repacement

Post by Cdm0729 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:28 pm

Hi, so I ordered the seals from partsnmore. And it's just the seals. Honda shop sells the complete seal Kit. What I was wondering if I can just replace the seals, and re use everything else? Or do I have to replace everything the Honda kit comes with?



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