Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts removal


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Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts removal

Postby gof » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:01 am



It has been posted online that it is not possible, on the 1984 model , to get the starter out, without removing exhaust headers, running boards or potentially taking the starter apart on the bike in two pieces. It is indeed possible to remove it in one piece. I will post a photo tonight of the removal alignment needed.

Tools needed:
Rags, drain pan, 2-10mm box wrenches, small ratchet and thin extensions, 8mm socket, regular screwdriver (optional).

Directions:

Put on your favorite music, preferably calming music.

Disconnect both battery terminals.

Place bike on side stand and do not move bike until the starter is back in.

Place oil pan underneath starter area. The oil may still miss the pan, due to frame and exhaust. Have rags ready.

Patiently remove the gear lever - very hard to reach front bolt (10mm). This bolt must be all the way out to slip the gear lever off the gear shaft.

Remove starter power cable bolt (10mm) using the dual wrench method to avoid turning bolt internally. (see photos other posts) File down a 10mm wrench if you need to to stabilize the top nut.

Patiently remove front starter bolt (8mm) from underside using long wrench from underneath between the frame and exhausts. Note: You will have about 1" of clearance to work in. Once loose you can use a socket extension (from the left side) to complete removal easily.
Remove the top rear starter bolt (8mm) using an extension.

Slide starter forward, evenly out of the engine connection. You can use a large flat blade screwdriver as a pry bar if needed (on top).

Patiently rotate the starter, up, down, forward and back in the cavity, until the top rear mounting flange is facing up towards you.

From this position there is indeed one angle where it will suddenly allow you to clear the engine with the starters shaft. I believe the starter will be angled up at its rear and down in the front when this occurs.

It will also obviously go back on the same way.

It is not easy to do, but is a viable option to the other methods which require more prep and removal.



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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby gof » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:43 pm

[quote="gof"]It has been posted online that it is not possible, on the 1984 model , to get the starter out, without removing exhaust headers, running boards or potentially taking the starter apart on the bike in two pieces. It is indeed possible to remove it in one piece. I will post a photo tonight of the removal alignment needed.
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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby tkkiguy » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:36 am

Yup i just did this last night on my 1200 se-i , the starter will go in and out , it is tricky. Lots of patience.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby gof » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:34 am

tkkiguy wrote:Yup i just did this last night on my 1200 se-i , the starter will go in and out , it is tricky. Lots of patience.

Glad to hear that maybe my post helped, or glad to hear its possible on more than one 1200.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby firstwing » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:29 pm

Getting ready to remove mine. Is there a specific reason for setting the bike on the side stand as apposed to the center stand?

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby gof » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:54 pm

firstwing wrote:Getting ready to remove mine. Is there a specific reason for setting the bike on the side stand as apposed to the center stand?


Some say the starter cog gear could slip inside the engine and be nearly impossible to get out. Others say, center stand is just fine. It's 50/50. Hard to work on side stand - but cog gear stays in place. Just be sure not to move the cog around much when trying to get it back on the starter gear. Also, if you search all my posts, you will see that you have to put the starter together a certain way in order, otherwise its impossible to turn it. I believe you have to put the end with the multiple gears onto the body first, rather than last.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby firstwing » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:15 pm

Hey, thanks. I'm getting the "click" with no starter action. I jumped from the battery straight to the starter and still nothing. I think it's time for starter surgery. Lots of good, helpful posts here. Thanks again.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby gof » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:16 am

firstwing wrote:Hey, thanks. I'm getting the "click" with no starter action. I jumped from the battery straight to the starter and still nothing. I think it's time for starter surgery. Lots of good, helpful posts here. Thanks again.

Just glad I could give something back to the forum that has given me so much. Hey, that sounds like the movie "Contact".

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby firstwing » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:28 pm

I did have to pull the exhaust header out and turn it slightly. But no big deal. I found the brushed are worn, one that was just a nub. $28.00 rebuild kit on Ebay and back in service. I feel like I'm "reverse engineering this bike". But it's my first one so I'm kind of glad that I'm learning a lot about it. Hopefully, I'll be able to add some good, helpful advise some day. lol

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby Rosok » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:13 am

Hey thanks gof, I'll be trying this as soon as my rebuilt kit comes in for my 84 Aspy. currently my cold starts are acceptable, but when hot the starter barely turns the engine over, and sometime I have to wait for it to cool. I'm rather lazy, and if there is an easier/quicker way, I'll try it. I'll post how it went......
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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby Ghostrider52005 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:19 am

On the 1200 there is a boss built into the case that prevents the cog from slipping inside the engine. :)

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby firstwing » Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:54 am

WARNING...WARNING!!! NO BOSS...NO BOSS!!! lol. Seriously, do the removal on the side stand and don't move the bike. The cog can roll back if you're not careful. You will lose some oil so place a catch pan under the bike. I figured I'd do an oil and filter change as well. Also, I removed the exhaust header nuts, lowered and turned the headers just enough to make some extra room for removal. Ten minutes is worth the effort. Trust me the starter comes out a lot quicker and easier. Save your patience for another project. The starter was a quick and very easy rebuild and well worth it. It spins like a brand new one now. Good luck.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby Ghostrider52005 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:26 pm

Whether one finds it easier on side stand or center ( I suspect most would opt for side stand) is a personal thing I guess. But the cog because of a boss or whatever you want to call it that Honda built into the 1200 case precisely to prevent it, The cog cannot slip fall etc back into the engine and be lost till you split the case etc. Note im not speaking to a 1100 or 1000 because I dont know about them.

But if you find it easier to do on the center stand because of space or being on a lift etc the starter cog CANNOT fall into into the engine. It can move but not fall into the engine. ;)

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby Rosok » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:22 am

Well you guys give good arguments for both side stand and centre stand (thanks), when I get my kit in and am about to start the job maybe I'll just flip a coin :roll:

I like the idea of easier access when on the centre stand, especially when I think about my big body lying on the floor beside the bike. Though even if the gear moves off centre just a bit that could make realignment a b?&ch. back to the coin toss
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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby Ghostrider52005 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:27 pm

:lol: Either way will work. He is correct that the cog is less likely to get out of position and easier to fish back in on the side stand.
Have access to a bike lift so everything is done on it standing straight up like on center stand and I dont have to be bent over all the time is the only reason we do it standing straight up.

All I was pointing out was that the dreaded " the cog can fall into the tranny / engine and you have split the case to get it out " syndrome doenst apply on the 1200. The cog can slip out of place some but it cant fall into the engine never to be seen again :lol: .

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby Rosok » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:22 am

By George, it is possible!

Finally got my starter rebuild kit in from eBay the other day, so last night was the night I tackled the starter.

Tips given by gof really helped, thank you!!!

All I removed prior to the starter was the gear shift lever, not a big deal. I then disconnected the starter cable and removed the two bolts holding the starter on to the side of the engine case. Then pulled the starter out of the engine case and rotated as directed. Dropped the front of the starter and wouldn't you know it, it came right out. Under one minute from the time the bolts were removed to when I had the starter on the bench!

I compromised on the bike positioning.....I used the side stand, but put a 2x4 under it, so the bike was almost fully vertical, but not quite.

Thanks again gof!
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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby leonardsmusic » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:04 pm

Dear 'gof', I just wanted to say thank you! I am new to this site, and I wanted to say thanks for posting your directions for removing the starter. I removed mine off of my 1984 GL1200 Aspencade today after it was getting very sluggish once the bike had been ridden for a few miles and was warm. I didn't even have to loosen off the exhaust at all, just as you indicated. I took the motor out, opened it up, cleaned it out, cleaned up the commutator, put new brushes on and re-greased the front gears as well as putting some high performance oil on the bearing. It works like new now, regardless of whether the bike is cold or hot. Thanks once again!

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts rem

Postby FreeWing » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:45 pm

I was able to remove and replace the starter on my 1984 Goldwing while it was vertical. The little gear in the engine case did not move. I sprayed a little bit of WD40 on the starter splines to facilitate the installation.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts removal

Postby mickpgoldwing » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:11 pm

hello, and HELP, I have read the chain and gear to starter motor will, and some say, will not swing away in to the engine, when starter motor is removed, PLEASE will it or will it not swing away, and out of alinement if I remove the starter motor, I have a 1987 gold wing 1200 DG interstate, thanks mickp

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts removal

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:53 pm

mickpgoldwing wrote:hello, and HELP, I have read the chain and gear to starter motor will, and some say, will not swing away in to the engine, when starter motor is removed, PLEASE will it or will it not swing away, and out of alinement if I remove the starter motor, I have a 1987 gold wing 1200 DG interstate, thanks mickp


It *might*. Depends on oil/sludge in there, the angle of the bike....but even if it does, just putting the bike on the side stand will swing it back into place. So no worries.

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts removal

Postby Smooth Rider 1984 » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:34 pm

Thanks for the detailed instructions they were spot on. Starter is a bit tricky to get out but with alot of patience it can be removed without pulling the engine. I did however drop and rotate the exhaust out of the way, hey 4 bolts it was well worth the time for the extra room to work. To all those wondering I used the side stand and the sprocket stayed put never moved. Make sure to clean the opening on engine and the end of starter, I put a lite coat of oil on starter o-ring and shaft splines and it dropped right in. Thanks again!

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Re: Starter removal: 1984 1200 Aspencade - minimum parts removal

Postby nowcom » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:24 pm

Thanks for the tip. Worked like a charm and with a rebuild kit for $22 I saved about $1200 by doing it in my garage.




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