How to remove and replace your timing belts


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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Maddogg » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:06 pm



Do you recommend buying the tensioner up front so that if it is weak you will have it for replacement? If so, which website would you recommend for getting the tensioner? Is there 1 tensioner or 2? I want to say I saw them somewhere online for about $70. Kinda pricey for a tensioner. My bike has 83,000 miles so I think I might as well get it if it is due to be replaced soon. How often do you do your belts?



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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:51 pm

Maddogg wrote:Do you recommend buying the tensioner up front so that if it is weak you will have it for replacement? If so, which website would you recommend for getting the tensioner? Is there 1 tensioner or 2? I want to say I saw them somewhere online for about $70. Kinda pricey for a tensioner. My bike has 83,000 miles so I think I might as well get it if it is due to be replaced soon. How often do you do your belts?
There are two tensioners. I did my belts at 62,000 miles, I did not replace the tensioners, and did not need to. I expect I will do the belts again at 100,000 miles, and at that point I'll likely replace the tensioners, if for nothing else than my own peace of mind.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by natnorr » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:27 am

Did my 88 gl1500 the other day without draining coolant. Did plugs,air filter,oil and filter while I was in there though...not hard at all to do belts without dropping coolant..I don't know maybe it just the the southern boy in me...but coolant looked great and if sint broke don't fix it!

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by SIDECARRICH » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:20 pm

Howdy,

Well after looking at your wonderful instructions for a few thousand miles, we took all of your advice and replaced our 99 wings belts, gaskets, plugs , etc. only thing left is to put the outer fairing back on (want to fix lower lights) And you were right about old belts, looked just like the new ones and they had 108k on them! I don't think I would have tackled this project without your instructions, they were Great! Vodka time!! :D

Thank you, Sidecar Rich

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by cbx4evr » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Since I had my bike stripped down to do the shift stabilizer I thought, since I had the belts and new plugs, I would change mine too. Job went very well and was done in a couple of hours. I didn't drain the coolant and had no problems removing covers or adjusting tensioners.
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Dusty Boots » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:29 am

I have changed the belts on my 92 Aspencade twice, now.

1st time was a year after getting the bike, when it had 54,000km/33,750mi (April 2, 2009) on it in and then again April 2, 2013, @ 216,350km/135,219mi.
I carefully examined both belt tensioners each time and they were both in good condition, so I left them in.
I will change them out for new ones the next time I change belts, which will probably be in 2 years time.


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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by cbx4evr » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:22 pm

Good info Dusty.

This was the first change of the belts on my bike as far as I know. I've got 115,000km on it. Belts I removed were in very good condition and could have easily gone longer.
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Dusty Boots » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:23 pm

cbx4evr wrote:Good info Dusty.

This was the first change of the belts on my bike as far as I know. I've got 115,000km on it. Belts I removed were in very good condition and could have easily gone longer.

Looks can be deceiving, which is why I 1st changed them out with only 54,000km/33,750 mi on them .... not because of the mileage on them, but because of their age (17 yrs) We all know what can happen to rubber as it ages (like our tires). Failure can happen at anytime to what initially appears to be a serviceable belt, but age is an enemy to the rubber and cord compounds of these timing belts that can escape the naked eye. The rubber 'teeth' of the belts can get hard/brittle and strip off in an instant, causing the belt to jump ......
I stretched out the interval of the second change over due to 'lack' of age and that Honda suggests "Inspect and Clean, Adjust, Lubricate, or Replace if necessary" every 160,000km/100,000 mi in their Maintenance Schedule (3 - 12 of the Service Manual)

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:53 pm

cbx4evr wrote:Good info Dusty.

This was the first change of the belts on my bike as far as I know. I've got 115,000km on it. Belts I removed were in very good condition and could have easily gone longer.
Remember what I wrote in the beginning of this aritcle:
Therein lies the problem. Serpentine drive belts start to crack as they stretch and age. Timing belts, with their special fibers inside, don't stretch, so they don't crack - so a timing belt that is 20 years old with 80,000 miles on it can look virtually identical to one that was put on six months ago and has 500 miles on it. Honda's service schedule says to "inspect" the timing belt - but there is no practicable way of doing this, other than looking for broken teeth on the belt itself. A timing belt wears on the inside, where you can't see it. A timing belt that is about to break can look exactly like one that will run for another 50,000 miles.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by cbx4evr » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:50 pm

I'm not disagreeing with you. Visually it's not always evident that a belt is in poor condition. That can be said of a belt of any age. What if the Gates factory had a bad day and it slipped through quality control?

I do however think that the Honda spec, as Dusty mentioned, is not unrealistic nor just a number Honda dreamed up to fill in a blank in the service schedule. We all know they are in the business to sell parts and service. They could have halved the spec., nobody would be the wiser, and we would be changing belts at 60,000 km just to be safe. Personally I haven't met nor do I recall reading of an engine getting cratered because of a belt failure.
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by WingAdmin » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:23 pm

cbx4evr wrote:I do however think that the Honda spec, as Dusty mentioned, is not unrealistic nor just a number Honda dreamed up to fill in a blank in the service schedule. We all know they are in the business to sell parts and service. They could have halved the spec., nobody would be the wiser, and we would be changing belts at 60,000 km just to be safe. Personally I haven't met nor do I recall reading of an engine getting cratered because of a belt failure.
There have been quite a few people who have posted here over the years about their belts breaking and engines being damaged. One that springs right to mind is DingDong, who had a belt break on his GL1000.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Chickenlegs » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:39 pm

I am about to do my belts Sunday the 16th. Is the 5mm to 7mm belt deflection a "grand total" (up and down, combined.) :?: OR is it 5 to 7mm up from the neutral/ relaxed position, then 5 to 7mm down passed the neutral/ relaxed position. Maybe Im over thinking it, I just want to be sure.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Chickenlegs » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:14 pm

Sorry guys, The light in my head just turned on. The 5-7mm of slack is one way with 4.4 lbs. of force on the belt. So theoretically when the engine is running it could have 10 to 14mm of total slack up and down. :idea:

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by bjatwood » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:24 am

doing my belts right now! on to step 61...so far so good =)

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Chickenlegs » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:53 pm

Me too, so far the hardest part is getting that long cover off without taking all the hose's off. After lunch new belts go back on

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by bjatwood » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:11 pm

I pulled the hoses off the water pump and replaced my clamps too. Fired right up with no issues. (Phew)
My bikes springs for the tensioner's took up the slack excellently. My new belts had much less play on them than the old 16 year old Honda OEM belts had without any help from me ;)
Scott, your directions are excellent and made this difficult job easy enough for a Caveman to do (me) LOL Kudos to you!!!
I actually let the bike sit overnight after taking the hoses off the water pump and added all 4 quarts of my Honda Freeze after starting the bike, and my radiator level is still a bit low. Will be swinging by the local Honda shop after work tomorrow for some more.
Only hiccup in the whole project.
On to Fork seals next..... Anybody have a fork tool I can borrow?

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Chickenlegs » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:35 pm

OK, got my belts on and everything works great, BUT, riding around town today I did notice a "soft" high pitch sound at about 3000 rpm unloaded and slightly loaded, anywhere else in the rpm range its not there. I did set my tension at 5mm and the rollers with the bearings was very smooth with no wobble or play. I even started it with the cover off and everything looked good and sounded good but i didn't rev it up too much. then i rechecked the tension still at about 5mm depending how hard i pulled on the belts. Anybody have any thoughts or suggestions. Don't know if it was there before, but now im listening for it.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:20 am

Chickenlegs wrote:OK, got my belts on and everything works great, BUT, riding around town today I did notice a "soft" high pitch sound at about 3000 rpm unloaded and slightly loaded, anywhere else in the rpm range its not there. I did set my tension at 5mm and the rollers with the bearings was very smooth with no wobble or play. I even started it with the cover off and everything looked good and sounded good but i didn't rev it up too much. then i rechecked the tension still at about 5mm depending how hard i pulled on the belts. Anybody have any thoughts or suggestions. Don't know if it was there before, but now im listening for it.
If you set them to 5mm, then you should be fine. If they are too tight you will get a whine, but you would normally hear it at lower speeds.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by jeffmd2 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:05 pm

I just completed this task of replacing my timing belts thanks to the instructions here. I used the method without draining the coolant and it worked just fine. The condition I found things after removing the covers indicated to me that it had not been done in a while. The bike has 156,100 miles on it, I have only put on 2100 of them. The previous owner had only owned it for a short time and did not know the complete maintenance history. There was no markings or dates written on the cover indicating when it was done last. I used Gates belts and put the sticker on with all the information for the next time. After reading the posts on timing belts I was convinced I needed to do it ASAP, I am glad I did. I also replaced the cover gaskets as recommended, they were stiff in places. As a new Gold Wing owner I really appreciate this forum and the great information.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Chickenlegs » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:25 pm

I rechecked my belts tensions again, there perfect. 5 to 6mm, can't here much whine with everything off. test rode again and right about 2500 to 2700rpm I here that slight whine.! Maybe it was there before and i just didn't notice it ??? NOW would you guys agree or disagree it will either get worse or go away when the belts start to get some miles on them. the tensioners with the belts off are smooth and quiet. Boy i wish i can here another 1500 wing. its kinda taking the fun out of it. Help...

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by bjatwood » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:35 am

Rob, ride on over and you can here my Wing run with the new belts to compare the sound. :D

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Chickenlegs » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:14 pm

Chickenlegs wrote:I rechecked my belts tensions again, there perfect. 5 to 6mm, can't here much whine with everything off. test rode again and right about 2500 to 2700rpm I here that slight whine.! Maybe it was there before and i just didn't notice it ??? NOW would you guys agree or disagree it will either get worse or go away when the belts start to get some miles on them. the tensioners with the belts off are smooth and quiet. Boy i wish i can here another 1500 wing. its kinda taking the fun out of it. Help...
Update: replaced the tensioners with new, rechecked the belts again, started with cover off again, everthing seems perfect again, test rode it and that "little" whine noise is still there @2500 to 2700rpm (unloaded) or (throttle leveled off). This bike is new to me, 97' with 29,000 miles and is in very nice shape, you can tell the first owner took care of it. Anyway on my "test" rides after the belts and tensioners i have been using my open face helmet, last weekend I did a 500 mile ride with my full face back on (just like I did when I first bought it AND guess what NO noise. Whatever it is it was there all this time, and I think it's nothing (nature of the beast) It runs great and very smooth. All is well.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Equinox » Tue May 27, 2014 10:01 am

Thank you very much for your excellent photo article.
I know it took a long time to produce and I appreciate your effort to produce this overall "How To".
I had just purchased my 91 "Black Wing" Aspencade and a friend who is a long time member suggested I check out your "How To".
I followed the photos as laid out and was finished in a very timely manner thanks to you.

Again, Great work !

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by gordonv » Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:52 pm

Thank you, all went well with my belt change.

88' with 60K miles. Original Honda belts. Like most, no signs of damage on the old belts, even after forcing them into a too tight of a bent, both inside and outside. Tensioners tested fine.

I was sure that the mileage was not an issue, it was the age that made we want to change them, just for peace of mind.

I have some long rides planned, and don't want to be left stranded anywhere.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by markwb » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:05 pm

I used this to change my belts on a 89' 1500 and it could not have need made any simpler. Thanks for all the great information. If anyone is looking to buy new belts and your as cheap as I am, I just found them on rockauto, Gates T275 for only $13.31 ea. wish I found them earlier but I have a 96' to do soon so that's were I'll go next time. Mark



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