How to remove and replace your timing belts


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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Dusty Boots » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:48 pm



Dusty Boots wrote:I have changed the belts on my 92 Aspencade twice, now.

1st time was a year after getting the bike, when it had 54,000km/33,750mi (April 2, 2009) on it in and then again April 2, 2013, @ 216,350km/135,219mi.
I carefully examined both belt tensioners each time and they were both in good condition, so I left them in.
I will change them out for new ones the next time I change belts, which will probably be in 2 years time.


Dusty

Just a heads up for those thinking about/looking to buy some new Gates timing belts!

I just ordered another set of timing belts and a set of Idler Pulley Bearings (going to rebuild the idler bearings myself, as they are the originals) from Rock Auto the other day for replacement next year.

Timing belts were - $13.02 each

Idler Bearings were - $16.01 each

Total investment for the 2 Gates T275 timing belts and 2 Gates T42015 bearings, including shipping to MI was $60.15

I saved a minimum of $210.85 over the dealer price! :roll:




Dusty



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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by glenwegener » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:57 pm

Yup I used the gates belts but did not replace the tensioners, maybe should have while I was in there.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Dusty Boots » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:34 pm

I have over 180,000 miles on the original set right now and plan on leaving them in there until I do the new belts next spring, as there are no issues with them!!

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by LukeG » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:12 pm

hey thx redial for awesome instructions. like many here i have had little experience in doing a job like this on the Wing. Actually i am on the belt tensioning stage right now but everything has gone well. something i should make note of is that my front wheel was directly in the way to get my head in there to check crank alignment. i therefore had to use a mirror to properly check and even then it was hard too make sure. after tightening tensioners i will start re-assembly. thx again!..........(1999 aspencade 45k miles, original belts still looked good, i used gates 275).....Luke

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by sprintexec » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:16 pm

Kudos to the author of the original post. This article has enabled me to breathe life back into my '94 GL1500 Aspencade! The bike has lain unusable in our garage here on Cyprus since we rode her from UK across Europe back in 2012. Since then I have, with the assistance of a local Goldwing afficianado Grigoris, repaired and balanced the carburettors. This is stage two of the journey back to roadworthiness. With only 14,765 miles on the clock from new the timing belts have done little work and are in remarkably good order with no signs of ageing. But they are now twenty two years old and the replacement Gates belts should give many years of happy service. Following these instructions I managed to get the relevant marks almost lined up. My first attempt had the right hand cam out by about a half a tooth but by turning the engine through a further full set of anti-clockwise revolutions things lined up a little smarter. Taking things apart was easy. Fitting the first belt was easy but then I hit a problem with the second belt. Perhaps I didn't seat the belt into the crank as well as I could have and I managed to dislodge the right hand cam. Not a huge amount and I was able to wind it back to where it needed to be. I seated the belt onto the crank and got things into place just so.
One thing that may be worth a mention is the need to use thread locking fluid when re-fitting the ignition pulse generator bolts. Photos 90 and 91 cover the topic but don't mention this critical step.
Onwards I went and then came the moment of truth... At the first prod of the ignition she fired up and ran as smooth as silk! I'm looking forward to the next task, wheels out to fit new tyres, front and rear. Thanks again for an excellent article with superb illustrations that persuaded me that I could complete the timing belt replacement task error free. :D :D :D

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by LukeG » Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:36 pm

have finished and put back together. I did have a moment of freaking out when I heard a belt type squeal for a few seconds while driving around the block but then went quickly away. Please advise if anybody thinks I should be concerned about something. Thx again to original poster, this was a huge help and I could never have done it or had the confidence to do the job. "saddle up and ride till sundown" mates!

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by FM-USA » Fri May 20, 2016 8:56 pm

LukeG wrote:have finished and put back together. I did have a moment of freaking out when I heard a belt type squeal for a few seconds while driving around the block but then went quickly away. Please advise if anybody thinks I should be concerned about something. Thx again to original poster, this was a huge help and I could never have done it or had the confidence to do the job. "saddle up and ride till sundown" mates!
IF you know it was belt squeal it's one of the tension pulleys not turning.
EITHER keep a close ear for it again or open it up and check each for bad bearings.

I did my Toyota timing belt once and the tension pulley felt good via hand spinning but when reassembled and run the engine, it was seized. The bearings while under load were in place and when loosened (after hand spinning) were not.
Was it the bearings last gasp of good spinning? :cry:

Out of curiosity I disassembled and dissect said bearing and found the PLASTIC bearing retainer was 90% gone. :shock:
I definitely found the problem and learned about cheap plastic bearing retainers. NEVER buy them where high heat is involved, metal retainers only.
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Hazmeat » Fri May 27, 2016 3:48 pm

Can't say "Thanks" enough for all the pearls of wisdom from everyone about this topic...
I had a very successful replacement of my timing belts last weekend and the result was a carefree 400 mile ride.
Y'all rock!!!
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by FM-USA » Fri May 27, 2016 4:50 pm

Hazmeat wrote:Can't say "Thanks" enough for all the pearls of wisdom from everyone about this topic...
I had a very successful replacement of my timing belts last weekend and the result was a carefree 400 mile ride.
Y'all rock!!!
and you're ROLL'n. ;)
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Rednaxs60 » Fri May 27, 2016 8:30 pm

Did the timing belt idler mod back in Feb when I changed the belts. It has worked a treat since. Significant savings from the Honda idlers.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by dennisfly@att.net » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:55 am

awsome great instructions just did mine 93 aspencade 75000 miles on it i bought it used with 61000 miles on it big difference runs like new! :)

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Camp » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:02 pm

Very good info on changing the timing belts. I am getting ready to change mine shortly. Can you advise me on where to get tension pulleys at a fair price that are top quality. To much work involved, not to go ahead and replace them while I am in there. Thank for sharing this information. I have a 1998 1500 SE Trike.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by FM-USA » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:59 pm

Top quality tension pulleys fair price...
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/H ... parts.html

See DUSTY's post above change just the bearings, was MUCH less expensive.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Rednaxs60 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:40 pm

The cost difference here in Victoria, BC was $200.00 plus tax CDN for two Honda idlers or rebuild the pair for $80.00 plus tax CDN, significant savings.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by jim34481 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:36 am

I bought a used 1997 GL 1500 SE with 85K miles and needed to replace the timing belts for piece of mind. I used this procedure yesterday to replace my timing belts and tension adjusters and I can't say enough good things about the step by step procedures. They are so detailed even I could follow them with all the confidence needed to successfully complete the job of replacing the timing belts.
Thanks for all the hard work put into developing and documenting these procedures for our use.
Jim

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:18 am

Glad you got it done, Jim! Now you've got your hands dirty on it, you can have the confidence to fix more and more things as they become needed.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by offcenter » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:59 pm

Just changed the belts on my '99 SE today.
Your instructions were a Godsend, Wingadmin!
Thanks a bunch!
The only part that gave any trouble were the darned
wire for the oil sensor. Could they have made that
wire any shorter???
...and getting that danged heater hose out of the
way. I had to loosen the right front crash bar to
get it out.
Thanks again!
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by chiefdruid » Tue May 02, 2017 12:17 am

Thanks for this, just did mine yesterday, was a great help having the pictures to, and to be fair its always a little nerve racking putting the kill switch to run, pulling the choke on and hitting start, dosnt matter how many times yove checked and turned the engine over by hand, but having your guidnce was a great help
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by Corkster52 » Wed May 03, 2017 8:47 am

HUGE amount of great info here! Just might make me brave enough to take it on myself, after this year's riding season that is (if the belts make it that long). ;)

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by waynedudes » Fri May 12, 2017 2:55 pm

Going to replace timing belts on 94, GL 1500. It has about 53,000 on it and I do not know if they have ever been replaced? So, there are those that believe that you might as well change the water pump, while you are at it? I do know that previous owner replaced pump at about 24,000 miles? So, what is everyone's thoughts about the need to replace pump with timing belts? Or should I just replace pump, for the peace of mind I may have?

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by MikeB » Fri May 12, 2017 3:31 pm

You can replace the water pump if you wish but there is no reason to unless it is leaking from the weep hole. I don't know of anyone that has said "you might as well change the water pump, while you are at it". Now if you had said "you might as well change the belt idler bearings while you are at it" I would agree.
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by FM-USA » Fri May 12, 2017 6:30 pm

I have the 91 Interstate and currently has 210,000 miles.
Water pump is still OEM.... if that says anything.
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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by otto1 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:57 am

This write up for belt replacement is very good. I have done belts on quite a few vehicles and the procedure is essentially the same on most as far as the belts go. All the peripheral stuff around the belts is what varies. Two things I would like to say are;

One: As said the write is very well done. The only thing he missed and maybe I missed it somewhere else in the thread is the application of Red Loctite on the 4 tensioner bolts and the 4 pulse generator bolts. This is in the manual for the tensioners but not the pulse generators. Both sets of bolts came out with Loctite on them so they should be removed, cleaned,reapply Red Loctite then torque to spec.

Two: IMO Don't ignore belt replacement. I have read several threads about people with high mileage and many years on a set of belts. These belts are strong, well made and they are encased in a nice protective place that allows little or no dirt water and road grime o get in. That being said, you can not protect them form age and the many heat cycles they go through. The belts I replaced on my bike today are from a 2000 1500 with only 26K miles. It sat idle for 10 years. I got it with 20K and have ridden it for 6K miles and have been thinking about the belts a lot. Time to change them since I will be taking a road trip to the Vintage Motorcycle days in Ohio in July. The old belts upon removal look to be in good condition but a closer inspection is always needed on belts. Turn the belt inside out and take a close look between the groves and you will find....


Both belts have some rot. This is the beginning of the end for this belt after 17 years and only 26K miles. Glad I changed them, its not hard and only took me about 2.5 hour. This is the first time I have ever seen rot on a timing belt but it is also the oldest belt I have ever replaced. Why take a chance on catastrophic failure for two $15 belts!!

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by WingAdmin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:29 pm

otto1 wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:57 am
This write up for belt replacement is very good. I have done belts on quite a few vehicles and the procedure is essentially the same on most as far as the belts go. All the peripheral stuff around the belts is what varies. Two things I would like to say are;

One: As said the write is very well done. The only thing he missed and maybe I missed it somewhere else in the thread is the application of Red Loctite on the 4 tensioner bolts and the 4 pulse generator bolts. This is in the manual for the tensioners but not the pulse generators. Both sets of bolts came out with Loctite on them so they should be removed, cleaned,reapply Red Loctite then torque to spec.
Good catch, thanks for this. I've updated the instructions.

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Re: How to remove and replace your timing belts

Post by guitarzan » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:08 pm

I just want to say that it's great having nice people looking out for us. You guys are really great and thank you, thank you, thank you.

Great Job
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