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quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:00 am



Hello, I just recently got new led turn signals. *Now i know most of the topic here have led questions that were asked by previous members i apologize for re asking some same questions. :D

So these led lights i bought them off ebay and thought it was a plug and play lights.didnt realize it was made for harley nor that it wouldnt work on my bike... :shock:
Ok so some people told me "ahh easy go get resistors" or the famous "youll need a flasher thingy module guy..." so i went walking to my local electrical junk yard and there was sooooooooo many resistors, all shapes and sized (doesnt sound right :lol: ) anyways, and no local part store had the flasher thingy .. soooo i wanted to ask the pros, if i get resistors what size do i need or if i find myself a flasher module thing are they all universal or do i need a specific model(where can i get one)? My light run on 12v and 0.5w. Pls help what do i need. And pls have pacience this young lad is learning :D thanks allot everyone i really apprecite your lending hand



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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:12 am

Your back!!!! Great. I got a couple of questions for you about your LED lights. Why would you think they are for harleys? 1157 bulbs are for turn signals or brake lights and 1156 are single element bulbs for running and or signals only. They are not vehicle specific. I assume that they fit in the sockets. 1157 for brake lights and front turn signals 1156 for turn signals in your saddle bags on your bike.No saddle bags? 1157 in rear signals too.

I also assume that they light up but wont flash right so far?. If so then all you need to do is goto your favorite auto supply store and buy an ELECTRONIC flasher relay ,2or 3 prong style what ever is in your bikie now. No resistors needed (this is why you want LED's in the first place, to save watts). You do not want a mechanical type flasher unit. It should have a clear plastic housing to it, you can see electronic coils and transisters/capaciters inside.
They are made by TRIDON and simply called electronic flasher. These do not require a load on them to flash

For future questions try using the search function at the top right of every page, most questions are already answered and you can get faster results that wayinstead of waiting for someone to reply to you. Hope this helps. Oh ya last time I needed one of these flashers I got it at either Canadian Tire or NAPA. maybe $12
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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:32 am

There are two types of electronic flashers. One is 100% electronic with no moving parts whatsoever. The other has a standard coil/contacts relay, but it is driven by an electronic timing circuit that is not affected by the amount of current being drawn, like regular mechanical flashers.

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:28 pm

Well these led lights were made for harley hd1. Ill be honest i took everything off my bike and now got these lights cause it looks nice. Umm i did not know anything about led's. I know i know i should have reserch'd before buying :( now i installed the lights but i had to replace the original socket/wires with my own. I did not turn the lights on yet cause my bro told me that it can burn the led buls.. ill go to napa or canadian tire and see if they have the electronic flasher. Btw if i get the flasher, where is the original flasher located? I have an 83i. And do i need 2 e-flashers? For both sides? Or 1will do the job? Btw thanks for your help guys i really apreciate it. It was very informative thx again :P

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby RoadRogue » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:25 pm

You only need one electronic flasher, it mounts under the false gas tank left hand side, you will not fry the lights . If they came in a signal housing already and all you had to do was bolt them on and hook up the wires you are good to go. If you hook them up backwards they will just not work, if thats the case just reverse the wires.

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:08 pm

Ok i got the electronic flasher and i keep on getting a short..? soo i did my prosses of elimination and found out that the flasher unit is the cause.. so i tried switching up the wire combo and still got a short. maybe i didnt plug them in right.. here have a look and see if i got some of it right :lol:
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there are 3 signs to represent the prongs one is "p" one is "L" and one that is "x"
there are 3 signs to represent the prongs one is "p" one is "L" and one that is "x"

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:21 pm

There should be three wires:

Green - ground
White/Green - +12V
Grey - switched, goes to bulbs

The grey wire is always going to be the middle terminal. Depending on whether the flasher is an ISO or a JSO, the other two terminals will be either +12V or ground.

I see a black wire in your picture - black is usually +12V in our bikes. Is that the case?

In any case, the grey wire is correct. The other two could be wrong - try swapping them and see if it makes any difference.

Lastly, I hope you're not intending to leave the terminals exposed like that when you button things up! :)

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:29 pm

no no don't worry i got shrink tubes waiting to go there :lol: but its really weird.. i get a short no matter what i do :x but 1 way (the way in the picture and nothing works) and when i put the original flasher back on everything works (and of course it blinks really fast.) is it possible that my electronic flasher is defective?? is there a way to check it? that might be my problem :?:

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:33 pm

I suppose that's possible - did it come with any instructions at all? Where did you get it? Any manufacturer/model number on it?

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:13 pm

I got it from napa. I think the napa part number is EL-13.

Its a Tridon and on the electronic flasher it says this:

Must fuse X lead 20A max
USA Tridon
PAT3247402

On the back (where the prongs are) it says : 2506B
12V . EL-13

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:00 pm

OK, that's a PXL type flasher - I don't know why they sold you that. It's not a ground type relay. It's used in older cars.

Try this: Connect the +12v lead to X, leave the ground wire disconnected, and connect the grey (signal) wire to L (load). The P (pilot) is used for a dash indicator in some applications - leave it unconnected.

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:48 pm

I have tried everything and all i could get it to do was turn all the lights on. I found another problem ... my center dash (where the turn signals, oil and neutral lights are) the turn signals are always on, and my neutral light ...
All i did was change the handle bar and lights.. Is it possible that the reason i have the neutral light on is because i changed bars to smaller ones... but for my electronic flasher unit, what brand would you recommend? any part number by any chance..

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby terryj » Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:52 pm

If I might add something, first of all, the LED lights you purchased, do they have the 1157 base? These type of LED lights all ready have the needed resistors for the LED's. Your next problem, to get the LED's to flash correctly you need to load the flasher circuit or get an electronic flasher unit. The one you show in the picture is NOT an electronic flasher, it is a standard flasher, this is why your turn signals are not working correctly. Here is a link to a company that sales electronic flashers for LED lights: http://www.ledlight.com/electronic-led- ... -ep29.aspx

As for the problem with the dash lights, your turn signal indicators could be on due to the type of flasher your currently using and trying to run LED lamps. Your netural light, is you bike in netural?

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Re: quick l.e.d. question

Postby cafegoldwing_lover » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:31 am

I learned from another post that the neutral light problem is cause by my "silicon rectifier" light goes on everytime i pull the clutch in.. for the led i do not know if they are 1157 based, maybe they are. Thx for the web link Im chequing it out now :D
I might add that even with no flasher unit the light are on.
thx again guys




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