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Sidecar heater

Postby Sidcar » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:09 am



Anyone out there with a Wing rig fitted a sidecar heater?
A Wing has coolant and a pump to circulate it so putting a heater radiator, one out of an old Mini might do, in the sidecar should be possible.


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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby WingAdmin » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:57 pm

Sure, I can see that working. A fitting on the radiator hose, a couple lines out to the sidecar, and a radiator with a fan. You might want to put dampers in there - it could get overly hot in there with no way to cool it off otherwise!

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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby SteveB123 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:50 pm

Just put a valve in the water line.
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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby wjnfirearms » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:58 pm

I could see using a smaller heater core in an enclosure with a fan blower. For regulation, a mechanical heater control unit as used on older cars with a "dashboard" control. Not complicated and would work.
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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby Sidcar » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:22 pm

The Oxford sidecar appears to have a box section under the front seat so, providing the Wing water pump can cope with the extra load, I hope to fit a heater rad and fan in the box section an the duct it to the passengers feet and up to the screen to demist it. When I've got the forks done, my EZ-Steer kit has got as far as San Francisco according to UPS so shouldn't be much longer, and I can get the outfit back on the floor I'll star measuring up to see what space I've got.


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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby bustedwing » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:02 pm

As a matter of fact you can even put quick disconnect fittings on the water lines if you intend to take the sidecar off at any time, like for maint. We used to do that for heat on heavy equip. In cold settings the engines were easier to start once we plugged into even a pickup truck and let it warm up awhile.
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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby WingAdmin » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:16 am

bustedwing wrote:As a matter of fact you can even put quick disconnect fittings on the water lines if you intend to take the sidecar off at any time, like for maint. We used to do that for heat on heavy equip. In cold settings the engines were easier to start once we plugged into even a pickup truck and let it warm up awhile.


I was thinking the same thing - one male, one female, so that you could plug the ends of the lines into one another, once they were disconnected from the sidecar. The coolant would then just circulate through the loop.

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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby bustedwing » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:43 am

Right, and you dont loose any coolant. Works great.
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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby sparrowhawwk » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:59 pm

Haven't done one off of a water cooled bike but it should work great. The one I did was an air cooled bike and I used an oil cooler which worked quite well. I was not trying to include defrosting for the windshield, just heat. I built a "box" for lack of a better description that mounted on the inboard side of the sidecar and was open in the front and rear. I mounted the oil cooler near the front of the box and cut a hole through the body behind it. I then hinged a flap or door that pivoted on the back edge of the hole. Actually I used the piece I cut out of the body for the door. I put a small drawer pull on the door to open and close it. I used a piece of rubber molding around the door as a seal. With the door "open" it would channel the heat into the sidecar and with it closed the heat exited through the rear of the box.
It will be interesting to see how yours turns out. Might have to consider one on the 83 1100 I'm building. Hmmmm! Defrost too eh?

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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby Sidcar » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:24 am

My EZ-Steer kit has made it across the Atlantic to some distribution depot over here so hopefully I shall soon be busy fitting it.
This sidecar heater is going to take some careful planning. There is a large box section under the front seat of the Oxford which I need to measure then find a heater core to fit in it. A valve in the input hose should be no problem (cable operated so the passenger can regulate the heat? why not) and I've seen somewhere tubular electric fan units that would fit in the ducting which would reduce the space needed around the heater core.
All sounds perfectly feasible so there's bound to be a catch somewhere.

At the moment I shall be more than happy just to have the rig back on the road

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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby redial » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:35 am

and I've seen somewhere tubular electric fan units that would fit in the ducting which would reduce the space needed around the heater core.


Fans from an old computer might be good for your purpose. They come in different sizes from small ones to around 5 inches, so you may like to take your pick. They should be cheap enough, with the number of junked computers around.
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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby Sidcar » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:39 am

Good thought, I'll add that to my growing list for this job.
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Re: Sidecar heater

Postby sparrowhawwk » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:17 am

Sidcar wrote:My EZ-Steer kit has made it across the Atlantic to some distribution depot over here so hopefully I shall soon be busy fitting it.
This sidecar heater is going to take some careful planning. There is a large box section under the front seat of the Oxford which I need to measure then find a heater core to fit in it. A valve in the input hose should be no problem (cable operated so the passenger can regulate the heat? why not) and I've seen somewhere tubular electric fan units that would fit in the ducting which would reduce the space needed around the heater core.
All sounds perfectly feasible so there's bound to be a catch somewhere.

At the moment I shall be more than happy just to have the rig back on the road

Sid


They probably won't tell you this but when you install the EZ Steer clamps add at least 5 ft lbs to the standard torque setting. I have one long time customer that adds about 10 but I really just look for a little noticeable drag on the steering with the wheel off of the ground.




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