washing out in turns


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washing out in turns

Postby kyleoneill56 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:33 pm



i just installed new dunlop tires on my 83 1100 aspencade. they perform fine on straight up highway driving but go into a turn and the front wants to wash out.i have to slow considerably and literally turn threw it. the old tires were metzlers and did well until they were worn. ive checked fork pressure as well as tire pressure. i have heard rumors that dunlops are pron to separation. the front has a very slight shimmy but i attribute most of that to the actual road but i could be wrong. berings are my next concern. has anyone had this same thing happen or is it just me. my goldwing has 120k miles and is in very good shape mechanically.if anyone has any feedback on this please let me know. thanks



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Re: washing out in turns

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:23 pm

It's possible the tires are not yet "scrubbed in", and are still covered in the relatively slippery release compound used to help release them from the molds.

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby kyleoneill56 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:17 pm

thank you i had not thought about that. i have put about 1k on them since mounting them and they were fine when first installed. the weather was warmer(low mid 60s,high low 90s) then where as now it has gotten much colder. i live in central texas where current weather is in the 40s at night and up to mid 70s at mid day. i drive it daily to and from work(about 10 miles) and still notice a difference.

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby twostrokes48 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:31 am

I would check and adjust the head bearings if necessary. New tires tend to either fix or bring out steering problems.

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby newday777 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:24 am

Keeping a close watch of tire pressures even on new tires is of utmost importance as there can be leaks from rims not being cleaned before new tires mounted, bad valve stems etc.
Did you install the tires?
Scrubbing in necessary in new tires, usually have to be real careful first 100 miles especially in wet conditions.

You say they were fine when first installed, check that all the rear end bolts and nuts are properly tightened. Have seen the four nuts loose on one rear end to swingarm and it had that washing out feeling.

I have not seen or heard of E3s splitting, cupping badly yes.

How were they balanced?

Post back what you find on this.

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby kyleoneill56 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:12 pm

i check my tires 2 times a week on average.colder weather more often.all have been within a pound of original fill at 36 psi. no i did not install them i had a local shop do it and i do trust them .i believe the tires were static balanced but im unsure..as far as the rear bolts go i have suspected that myself and that was one of the first things i did check along with the steering head. the tires may not be scrubbed in as of yet as i do not drive hard on them,just to and from work. i have not checked the wheel bearings as of yet and is on my to do next list.

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby newday777 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:55 pm

Try bumping up the tire pressure to 42 front, 44 rear.

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby Joecop » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:09 pm

Sadly new tires aren't always new. What are the numbers following the dot stamp. In five years the several different rubber compounds harden and separate? That's if there's no bearing issues. Mine felt spooky in turns until they broke in or scrubbed. Lastly don't put any type of cleaner on them.
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Re: washing out in turns

Postby Dogsled » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:36 pm

kyleoneill56 wrote:i just installed new dunlop tires on my 83 1100 aspencade. they perform fine on straight up highway driving but go into a turn and the front wants to wash out.i have to slow considerably and literally turn threw it. the old tires were metzlers and did well until they were worn. ive checked fork pressure as well as tire pressure. i have heard rumors that dunlops are pron to separation. the front has a very slight shimmy but i attribute most of that to the actual road but i could be wrong. berings are my next concern. has anyone had this same thing happen or is it just me. my goldwing has 120k miles and is in very good shape mechanically.if anyone has any feedback on this please let me know. thanks


What does 'washing out' mean?
Are you including the Dunlop seperation issue with the washing out?
Same with the shimmy and bearings?
If your bike was handling ok with the Metzlers and bad with the dunlops, bearings or fork pressure seem unlikely. Tire pressure possible.
Never listen to rumors.
Did the bike have a front end shimmy before changing the tires?
I've never run anything except the Elite series and get great mileage and handling. Others have a list of things they don't like about them, but that's from their own experience, not rumors.
I never felt handling issues with 'brand new' tires. Basic bike knowledge recomends not riding any new tires on wet roads due to the slippery release agent....not handling issues in general.
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Re: washing out in turns

Postby kyleoneill56 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:02 pm

washing out is as best as i can explain is similar to the feeling you get when you lean it over in a turn to far and you feel it start to slide out from under you. only you havent leaned it to far. or the tires feel like they are losing their grip to the road. ...no it did not have this issue before i changed the tires...and i am just trying to find some answers to this...ive heard from several other local riders of a separation with the dunlops...and i havent riden them in rain but 2 times and that wasnt by choice.....im just trying to do a process of elimination and get some feed back

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Re: washing out in turns

Postby Dogsled » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:07 pm

Good luck finding out your problem. I wasn't sure what 'washing out' mean't, thanks for the explanation.
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Re: washing out in turns

Postby newday777 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:53 am

Which Dunlops did you put on and what sizes are they (check the sizes on them and the date codes)

The only seperation I have heard of, and have had, have been on metezler me880 rears on my 83A, 2 for me, and another friend's too, 5 total here (I won't use me880 again) there are other posts of me880 sepetations on goldwingfacts.com.
And on another thread of Bridgestone spitfires on a 1200.

Too low of tire pressure will cause seperation of tread as well as too low of weight rating a tire on these heavy ladened wings. The highest weight rated tires are the E3s Dunlops. Anything less rated with fully loaded bags, heavy rider, passengers, travel gear and th :shock: ey are maxed out. Just my opinion (not worth a hill of beans) but the tire manufacturers should have made higher weight rated tires for the wings as just the stresses of riding twisties real hard with a heavy load will tear up a set of tires in 8,000 miles. Add low tire pressure and the stresses are compounded. Keep the pressure at max on the sidewall, always! The max can be exceeded by several pounds safely according to the tire manufacturers. :|




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