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gas mileage

Postby jhbates2000 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:09 pm



I just bought a 1983 Aspencade. I had to rebuild the carbs, broke them down and redone all 4 with a little help from my Pa' in law. What kind of gas mileage can I expect. Thinking of taking a trip from Indiana to Florida in October for our 13th wedding anniversary, just kinda want an idea how many times I might need to stop.



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Re: gas mileage

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:10 pm

jhbates2000 wrote:I just bought a 1983 Aspencade. I had to rebuild the carbs, broke them down and redone all 4 with a little help from my Pa' in law. What kind of gas mileage can I expect. Thinking of taking a trip from Indiana to Florida in October for our 13th wedding anniversary, just kinda want an idea how many times I might need to stop.


It really depends on what you're carrying in terms of weight, and how happy you are with your throttle hand. Ridden gently, you can see 45 mpg all day long.

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Re: gas mileage

Postby virgilmobile » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:56 am

That's about right.....
Ride it like you stole it and ya get in the mid to upper 30's.
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Re: gas mileage

Postby jhbates2000 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:10 pm

I was hoping for 30 at the very least...if I can get that going to florida it will save me about 100.00 each way on gas!

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Re: gas mileage

Postby Dogsled » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:18 pm

I've been getting worse mileage as they raise this ethanol percentage in the gas up. At 10% I burn thru fuel like i'm driving a hemi. My Wing hates that stuff. New way for the govt. to help their rich friends rip us off.....A little note to the NSA if you're taping this......YOU SUCK **** :P
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Re: gas mileage

Postby SteveB123 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:52 pm

Dogsled wrote:I've been getting worse mileage as they raise this ethanol percentage in the gas up. At 10% I burn thru fuel like i'm driving a hemi. P



What exactly has been your mileage decrease?
My last tank 5.2L/100km, 45 M/USG for reference.
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Re: gas mileage

Postby Dogsled » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:42 pm

At 6% I noticed my idle speed change. dropped and ran rough, lost smooth acceleration....I was accounting bad mileage in a larger part to driving where this occured more. I did 50 miles of stop and go and 50 of freeway......I needed gas after 100 miles.......and did notice out of everything poor performance at all levels. Had I not seen the 10% compared to the usual 6% I see I would never have tried to feel or look at the difference................You have to call your own shots though......I don't think anyone can go fro 6 to 10 and say they got comparable mileage.....

Now the crazy thing with summer coming and the things they add to the fuel are even more detrimental to mileage..........read the pumps...."It's summertime and we don't want the gas to blow up in your tank due to the heat, so we threw all this non-flammable shiatsu in to keep you safe......you may lose gas mileage but the govt. is looking out for you.....I got a reading on this stuff last year and I had no friggin idea what any of it was EXCEPT.....it was all non- flammible......."pull up to my garden hose and i'll give you a gallon of the stuff that's gonna save America...........................signed: your local undercover NSA agent....."

All this aside fuels we pump today react so much to what is added, how can you get a real reading......
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Re: gas mileage

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:17 am

Just got my best tank ever.
16.1 litres of premium pushed me 330 km on my morning/evening commute.
49 MPG (US), 58.8 MPG (IMP), 4.8L/100km.

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Re: gas mileage

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:21 am

Dogsled wrote:read the pumps...."It's summertime and we don't want the gas to blow up in your tank due to the heat, so we threw all this non-flammable shiatsu in to keep you safe......you may lose gas mileage but the govt. is looking out for you.....I got a reading on this stuff last year and I had no friggin idea what any of it was EXCEPT.....it was all non- flammible


I install and repair retail pumps, tanks, and genset fuel systems.
Never seen what you're alluding to....non-flammable fuel?
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Re: gas mileage

Postby Dogsled » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:23 am

Do you know what summer fuel is?
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Re: gas mileage

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:18 am

Dogsled wrote:Do you know what summer fuel is?


I'm not a petrochemist....where I am, we call summer fuel "gasoline". It has maginally less butane than winter fuel.

Again, what non-flammable componants are being put into your fuel?
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Re: gas mileage

Postby Dogsled » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:24 pm

I first saw this sign on the BP pump and asked the store clerk who took my e-mail and someone from BP e-mailed me that there were six added blends (the amount one can get in a gallon wasn't available) These were govt mandated to keep the fuel stabil in hot weather. It is posted on the pumps and runs for 4 months out of the year when the weather is the hottest. I asked if they affected the octane rating of the gas and was told AGAIN, it met govt guidlines for stabilization in high temps. If I don't know what exactly the blend is, tell me what the purpose of butane is in your cold whather 'gasoline. If it doesn't drop the octane rating in the summer, why add it in the winter? If it keeps the same octane rating. Why don't you run diesel fuel in your bike....because it wont run....it won't burn I can put diesel on a table and light it with a match and it will burn, throw it in your bike and and it won't.....so is it flammable? Before you go genius on me and say you can put diesel in your bike and it will run, we'll ride from the east coast to the west coast.....you'll do it on diesel. If I dump a little in the gas it'll run but at a lower octane rating so is it flammable and if the gas station giving me 87 octane fuel? No because the diesel isn't burning.
I'm telling you exactly what BP said, fuel stablizers aren't mean't to burn, they are mean't to provide fuel safety. There's always you calling BP and asking them. I got an e-mail 5 years ago and don't care about what exactley was in, only the content of the question. THEY brought up the non-flammable issue when I asked about whether or not I was getting 87 octane gas (this is fuel without ethanol).....once again I got the govt. spec line for all fuels in hot temps.
For that point do you think ethanol is equal to pure gasoline and you're getting 87 octane? It's not equal but there are tests that will prove it to be 87 octane. AND there are test that will prove it not to be.
Years ago I worked for the Police dept and when the Crown Vics came out they required high test gas. So that's what we bought. The engines started to Ping. We took the to a Shell station and the pinging stopped. We took the fuel to the lab and found out our supplier was adding octane boosters to the fuel and it may have tested the high percentage but still only burned at 87. My assumption at the time was the octane booster wasn't burning. We got refined high octane afterwards and had no problems. I wasn't in the lab nor was I in the courtroom when the supplier paid back all that money. But I know what the final report was. So you can believe anything they stick in your tank is 'gasoline' cause that's what you call it. I don't, because here we call it crap mixed into your gas.
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Re: gas mileage

Postby SteveB123 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:47 pm

Dogsled wrote:I first saw this sign on the BP pump and asked the store clerk who took my e-mail and someone from BP e-mailed me that there were six added blends (the amount one can get in a gallon wasn't available) These were govt mandated to keep the fuel stabil in hot weather. It is posted on the pumps and runs for 4 months out of the year when the weather is the hottest. I asked if they affected the octane rating of the gas and was told AGAIN, it met govt guidlines for stabilization in high temps. If I don't know what exactly the blend is, tell me what the purpose of butane is in your cold whather 'gasoline. If it doesn't drop the octane rating in the summer, why add it in the winter?


(Reid) vapour pressure.
There are lot more factors in gasoline than octane. Evaporative stabilization, for one.

Interesting. Never heard of it being posted on the retail pump before.

All gas suppliers have their own mixes of additives...some just meet the minimum standards, some exceed it to a noticeable degree, as you've found out in your Crown Vic experiments. I'm not sure why you assumed the additives weren't flammable, though.

Diesel is combustable, gasoline is flammable. Flash point and vapour pressure differences.
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Re: gas mileage

Postby redial » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:38 pm

As BP is a global company, I went and looked up what they offer in Oz. (There are a couple of terms that may not be familiar to some: eg, LPG = Propane (in Oz a number of vehicles run on LPG instead of gasolene, and it is half the price of gasolene); Petrol = gasolene; but let me know if there are others.)

This URL shows the current level of warranty the BP offers to its retail customers:
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/australia/corporate_australia/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/258415_BP_FuelGuarBro_Update_Dec11_DL_WEB.pdf

I also went to Shell, another global company, and they have similar stuff.

However, on looking further, I found this interesting article that tells you the differences between summer and winter fuels, and that there may be differences between localities/regions because of 'normal' climatic conditions. EG I would expect Arizona and Nevada to be different in summer to that of Illinois and Michigan, and certainly more different than Hawaii and Alaska. Your EPA has a lot to do with making sure the fuel is suitable for the area that you live in, and I bet the fuel suppliers will (mostly) be adhering to the guidelines.

Have a read of:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/summer-fuel1.htm

And perhaps more will be revealed.
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Re: gas mileage

Postby Dogsled » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:17 pm

I got no idea who contacted me but they were kind enough to say a few things I understood....... :D Steve B wants to know more about this than me, I hope he finds something to answer the answer I originally gave him..... My last few posts were political.......I wrote alot and didn't say anything that really answered anything. That looks like just the thing he wanted to read to prove summer/winter fuel, the difference where he lives known ONLY as gasoline. I got nothing else on this topic.
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Re: gas mileage

Postby Dogsled » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:43 pm

SteveB,
I assume now you assume I knew what the heck I was talking about. I just read a tag on the pumps and had a guy blurb out govt. standards to me... :D So with that in mind and me not even remembering what this topic was I found this









Pro-ethanol group says no E15 misfueling concern


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Support the AMA by accepting the E15 Challenge. Will you accept the challenge?








On June 18, boosters of the untested E15 fuel blend (15 percent ethanol by volume) issued a statement saying there is no need for misfueling concerns for motorcycles as E15 becomes available to the public. It specifically cited the American Motorcyclist Association, in part, for delaying the availability of E15 in a press conference call.

The group insisted that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency “has seen to it that E15 is clearly labeled at fueling stations.” Additionally, the group released an E15 fact sheet for motorcyclists. The fact sheet stated that E15 is illegal to put into a motorcycle engine.

Telling motorcyclists that E15 use is illegal completely misses the point, because motorcyclists don't want to use it for any reason unless independent testing confirms it is safe. One of the AMA’s concerns has always been that riders might unintentionally put E15 in their fuel tanks, due to confusing implementation of the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan.

So now, besides having serious concerns with the potential harmful effects of unsafe fuel and inadvertent misfueling, AMA members and the motorcycling community have to worry about the consequences of breaking a federal law.

The AMA is troubled by the EPA plan for retailers to avoid inadvertent misfueling by consumers because the plan does not provide clarity to AMA members and the public. For example, it calls for yet another label on a blender pump that already has many labels. The plan does not require any physical barriers in the fueling nozzle/receptacle, as was provided when the nation transitioned from leaded to unleaded fuel. Finally, the plan calls for a single, separate E10/E0 fuel pump when E15 will be sold through a blender pump and signage directing consumers to an E10-or-lower fuel pump.

In addition to our concerns with the EPA Misfueling Mitigation Plan, we question if every retailer selling E15 will abide by its requirements. If a retailer does not clearly label E15, a motorcyclist may inadvertently receive it, believing it is an E10 or E0 blend. If a retailer does not separate E10 from E15 in a blender pump, a motorcyclist selecting E10 can inadvertently receive up to a quart of E15 fuel leftover in the pump hose. Or if a retailer offers only a single pump with E10/E0, what options are left when the pump runs out of what is likely to be the most popular fuel offered at that station?

Get the facts on this important issue with the AMA’s E15 and Motorcycles-a Q&A.

Are you concerned enough to act? Take the AMA E15 Challenge. What is the E15 Challenge?

Some things didn't copy about this E-15 challenge....try this EPA link
http://www.ethanolrfa.org/news/entry/rf ... torcycles/
may be interesting to someone. I can't tell when writing this what links are highlighted and clickable........E- is becoming an issue on older bikes like mine I think......but we got rid of lead in agas and look how much happier we all are now at the way the fuel transition turned out for the consumer.....


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