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Is Moly 40 enough

Post by Wingnut95 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:27 am



Hi Wingers,
It's time to lube my splines and I can't find Moly 60 anywhere and believe it or not my Honda dealer doesn't carry M77 either. They are now using 'waterproof grease.' Only thing I can find is Moly 40 from the local Lordco. Is this sufficient?

Thanks in advance


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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by raven41951 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:52 am

Found this on Amazon
Honda 08798-9010 MOLY PASTE (M77)
by Honda
$17.16
Prime

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:30 am

"Waterproof grease?!?"

That's not going to work. It will be squeezed out and leave behind zero lubrication.

It HAS to be a high content moly, because the grease part (the carrier) is squeezed out from between the splines, leaving only the moly behind to do the lubrication. If there is little (or no!) moly there, then what is left is...nothing.

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by Wingnut95 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:53 am

WingAdmin wrote:"Waterproof grease?!?"

That's not going to work. It will be squeezed out and leave behind zero lubrication.

It HAS to be a high content moly, because the grease part (the carrier) is squeezed out from between the splines, leaving only the moly behind to do the lubrication. If there is little (or no!) moly there, then what is left is...nothing.
Thanks Wingadmin. So is something with 40% moly good enough?
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:21 am

Wingnut95 wrote:
WingAdmin wrote:"Waterproof grease?!?"

That's not going to work. It will be squeezed out and leave behind zero lubrication.

It HAS to be a high content moly, because the grease part (the carrier) is squeezed out from between the splines, leaving only the moly behind to do the lubrication. If there is little (or no!) moly there, then what is left is...nothing.
Thanks Wingadmin. So is something with 40% moly good enough?
Can't really say. It might be - but it might not. Honda specifies its 60% moly lubricant.

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by julimike54 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:51 am

WingAdmin wrote:"Waterproof grease?!?"

That's not going to work. It will be squeezed out and leave behind zero lubrication.

It HAS to be a high content moly, because the grease part (the carrier) is squeezed out from between the splines, leaving only the moly behind to do the lubrication. If there is little (or no!) moly there, then what is left is...nothing.
So now I know why the splines on mine are worn out. I thought it was because they didn't lube them. Either way that's why my shadow won't darken a stealership's doorway for service.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by cihilb » Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:11 pm

Honda shows a replacement for the Moly 60. It is now Moly 77. 08798-9010

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by offcenter » Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:52 pm

raven41951 wrote:Found this on Amazon
Honda 08798-9010 MOLY PASTE (M77)
by Honda
$17.16
Prime
Seventeen bucks for TWO AND A HALF OUNCES?????
Holy crap! Must have solid gold flecks in it too.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by MikeB » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:07 pm

The Moly 77 is also available from Partzilla. Use the Honda part number to research it.
It is $15.11 and is in stock. http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/h ... -9010.html

Also, Back in October What Moly to use was discussed. Look here --> viewtopic.php?f=16&t=30253&p=174733&hilit=moly#p174733

Loctite Moly Paste contains between 60 to 100% Moly content according to the MSDS. The exact percentage is a trade secret. Concentration range is provided to assist users in providing appropriate protections according to the Safety Data Sheet.

It is available through Napa but I presume it has to be ordered.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by CrystalPistol » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:40 pm

I've seen nothing that states that Honda Moly 40, 60, or 77 contains 40, 60, or 77% Moly.

What I do know is that Valvoline Ford spec Moly Wheel Bearing Grease VV632 has worked well on my '85 GL1200 that I've maintained with it since 1995 and I use it for a lot of things beside. I buy it by the pound and I have a couple of the tubes that fit my small grease guns for uses like trailer wheel bearing.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by MikeB » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:56 pm

The MSDS for Valvoline V632 states that it contains 2.49 % Molybdenum Disulfide.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:24 pm

Go and look for

LOCTITE MOLY PASTE code 51048

Here is the data sheet - it contains a minimum of 60% moly - and is more than ample for the required job

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct= ... Rw&cad=rja

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by Bugmerc » Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:02 pm

Wow, that Loctite stuff is pretty pricey too! Or is that a good price and I'm just cheap? I've been called worse. :D

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by MikeB » Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:10 pm

It is 8 ounces for $33.14. That is about $4.15 an ounce compared to the Honda Moly 77 at a little over $7 an ounce.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by CrystalPistol » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:27 pm

MikeB wrote:The MSDS for Valvoline V632 states that it contains 2.49 % Molybdenum Disulfide.
Well, the one I saw says between 1.5 and 5.0 % ....... but I know that the splines on my 1200 always look pretty dang near new when I clean them and take a peak at rear tire services.

What is the ideal percentage anyway?
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by MikeB » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:12 pm

I would have no idea what the ideal percentage would be.
All I can go by is what it says in the Honda GL1500 service manual.
Page 3-3 of the manual under Maintenance/Lubrication Points says to use Moly 60 paste or equivalent.


It says 60 Molybdenum Disulfide Paste on the front and back of the tube.


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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by FM-USA » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:53 pm

If you think that little tube is expensive, could
buy some RAW material and mix with grease.



Must be a good reason for 60% and not 40% or 80%.
Maybe 60% is makes for proper carrier and material spread?


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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by CrystalPistol » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:44 am

"Pick your poison" is all I can say ...... :D
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by MikeB » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:48 am

CrystalPistol wrote:"Pick your poison" is all I can say ...... :D
That is about all anyone can do. If it works for you, you have won the lottery :)
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by bernyboy » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:50 am

I know this is late coming in but, for those who are looking, here is another vote for Loctite Moly Paste (LB 8012). I got a tube of Honda's M77 and found it virtually impossible to squeeze out of the tube. So I got a 1 lb (453.6 gm) bottle of Loctite for about $80.00 (Canadian). That seems expensive, but I am very happy with it. It is easy to dispense with a built- in brush and you can coat the splines nicely. It contains 65% molybdenum disulfide. That bottle is probably all I'll ever need.

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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by offcenter » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:06 pm

Another vote for Loctite.
I bought the half pound can with the brush from Amazon.
That should last me for years.
Yeah, it's a bit expensive. But replacement rear ends
or driveshafts are even more expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Seize-Compo ... ctite+moly
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by BlueThunder » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:01 pm

raven41951 wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:52 am
Found this on Amazon
Honda 08798-9010 MOLY PASTE (M77)
by Honda
$17.16
Prime
This is what Honda now recommends. It is 77% moly and works very nicely. I use it liberally on my final splines and after 12,000 miles they show virtually no wear. Don't be chintzy with it.

Note that M77 is a paste not a grease. Honda specifically states to use a Moly PASTE, not a grease for the final splines.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by MikeB » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:25 pm

BlueThunder wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:01 pm
raven41951 wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:52 am
Found this on Amazon
Honda 08798-9010 MOLY PASTE (M77)
by Honda
$17.16
Prime
This is what Honda now recommends. It is 77% moly and works very nicely. I use it liberally on my final splines and after 12,000 miles they show virtually no wear. Don't be chintzy with it.

Note that M77 is a paste not a grease. Honda specifically states to use a Moly PASTE, not a grease for the final splines.
LOCTITE LB 8012 is Moly Paste.
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Re: Is Moly 40 enough

Post by minimac » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:48 am

Bugmerc wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:02 pm
Wow, that Loctite stuff is pretty pricey too! Or is that a good price and I'm just cheap? I've been called worse. :D
Have you priced replacing worn out splines? :shock:



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