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Bluetooth Advice

Post by bryanw1 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:30 pm



I’m going to Bluetooth on a wired 2017 GL. I’ve mostly heard about the Sena 10 and 20. Does anyone know how the J&M setups compare with the Sena’s? It appears the cost is around $1k either way. Any input would help.



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Re: Bluetooth Advice

Post by redial » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:47 pm

Sorry, BryanW1, I cannot help you but perhaps this will bump it up. And welcome to the clan.
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Re: Bluetooth Advice

Post by thrasherg » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:54 am

Sorry Bryan, I have only used the Sena systems, your cost is about right, for the wing you will need 2 headsets about $500 and two freewire boxes also about $500. The Sena system works very well but it is expensive to kit out a wing with CB access!! I have not tried the Bluetooth J&M setup, but I did run J&M wired headsets before and they worked very well so the Bluetooth setup from them is probably very good, however given the popularity of the Sena units I would suggest going with them so if you ride in a group you might have fewer issues pairing with other riders. Bluetooth standards mean they should all pair easily with other intercoms, but there are often some issues, if you all use the same brand then it’s generally easier

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Re: Bluetooth Advice

Post by bryanw1 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:38 pm

Thanks for your imput. My research supports what you are saying. My group riding primarily is with bikes using CB for bike to bike, and that appears to be the problem with Sena. You can hear communications but can not transmit via Bluetooth. My understanding in talking with J&M is that theirs allows full use. Also, like you, I've used J&M wired headsets for at least 15 years now, and I tend to stay with what I've had success with. It's not always rational though. I bought my first modern Wing in '05 and it came with Nolan helmets. Now I obviously need new ones, and I'm looking at Nolan. Twice the money of some that probably work just as well. Just habit I suppose.

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Post by thrasherg » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:10 pm

If you fit the Sena freewire designed for the goldwing, then the Sena intercom works just fine for the rider and the CB. I had that on my 1800 and the CB was great, but when traveling in groups, few people had CB’s so we would just create a Sena group and link all the intercoms together. The CB offered a longer range, but only if the other bikes had a CB!!

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Post by bryanw1 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:21 pm

Thank you for your reply. My understanding was that the Sena was not capable of transmitting CB. Apparently they have worked that out. Also the Sena looks like it will be able to link with other riders while connected with a passenger because it uses two Freewire units, where the J&M won’t. Thanks again.

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Post by thrasherg » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:54 pm

I can confirm the freewire works with the CB, you have to push the transmit button on the handlebar (exactly as you would with a wired headset), when you want to transmit using the CB, but it all works correctly.

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Re: Bluetooth Advice

Post by bryanw1 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:49 pm

Thanks. Now I’m checking to see if I can get a couple of 20S headsets pre-installed in HJC IS-MAX 2 helmets from Wingstuff.

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Post by ka4yqi » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:36 am

Gary, which headsets from sena are you using with the sena firewire? I have the smh10 units, Been using them for years.

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I can confirm the freewire works with the CB, you have to push the transmit button on the handlebar (exactly as you would with a wired headset), when you want to transmit using the CB, but it all works correctly.

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Post by thrasherg » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:27 am

I started with the sena10's but ended upgrading to the 20's as it allows us to have a larger group of riders in a a group intercom mode. Both headsets worked perfectly with the Freewire and CB. The Sena20S just has more features!! Don't believe anything about the longer range, I can't tell any difference between the 10S and the 20S for range, but if you can get the 20's they are a nicer unit.

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Re: Bluetooth Advice

Post by ka4yqi » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:05 pm

So you never try it out with smh10? They were some of the first ones before the 20s models.

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Post by thrasherg » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:11 pm

No, I have never used the smh10 headsets, so no idea if the freewire would work with them, I would contact Sena and ask if that is the headset you are going to use.

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Post by PastoT » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:13 pm

I went with the Sena 10s headsets and a Sena Freewire on my 2002. Absolutely awesome. I had BT from the bike only for 3+ years but a wired helmet for summer use with my CB. I have two Bell Mag-9 Sena helmets for hot weather and thus ordered 10s mounts for the Sena specific to these helmets, real nice set up, in turn I mounted the stock 10s adapters to my Scorpion Modular helmets so the 10s units move from one to the other in seconds. Initially the 2d headset simply received bike audio from the my previous BT transmitter. Having the cash now a second free wire for pillion use is on the way. The earlier SMH10 units don't support completely the Freewire capabilities so get at least the 10s version. If you don't need to talk to the bike you can use a Sena dual transmitter (SM-10 I believe) to supply audio to both headsets. My freewire is wired to the bike and thus I needn't charge it. The 10s headsets are good for about 9 hours or so, but you can charge them while in use if you are on a long haul. All my audio is wired to the bike aux in and thus transmitted to my helmet, and my phone is also connected separately via BT to my helmet. Press bike PTT and I transmit on the CB with no hassle, if the bike's intercom is on it hears your mic without PTT and thus could be monitored by a Zumo. I Personally love this setup.
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Post by ka4yqi » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:36 pm

Thanks, been doing some checking and sure enough the smh10 does not work with the freewire. As long as the smh10 works we be using them. Unless I find someone that wants them bad. I have read that the 20s is water resistant not waterproof and now the 20s evo is suppose to be better. The smh10 was top of the line when it was bought and now they have so many, it hard to figure out what the best for what I going to do. I got the circuit to be able to put another smh10 on the cb to use, which I have. Oh well it 6 of 1 or half a dozen of the other. :D

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Post by PastoT » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:09 pm

I got the 10s set so marry up with my summer helmets and their speakers are better than the SMH10 speakers. I would have gone with the 20s but the don't work with Bell mag-9 Sena custom recess. I've been soaked with the 10s no issue. I suspect they're all ok if you're not paying with buttons during a downpour, them all bets are off.
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Re: Bluetooth Advice

Post by bryanw1 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:45 pm

I decided on the J&M with the 45mm speakers. Haven’t heard any other BT units but I have to say this is the best sound I’ve heard on a motorcycle. I’ve always been wired and upgraded headsets regularly, but this is much better than anything I’ve had so far. Music is excellent. Intercom and phone calls are really good. They’ve finally gotten rid of the wind noise interference. The dongle won’t be out for a couple more weeks so I haven’t tried the integration with the bikes audio yet.



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