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Police Wing

Postby wbetheajr » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:01 pm



My best friend has an 82 interstate and I have an 82 interstate but they are entirely different. His sets several inches taller than mine and his will leave me setting at the ramp every time. I also have an 92 1500 that will no touch him. I believe he could take out an 1800. His bike is fast. He bought it and has done nothing to it. it is still stock. The only thing we can figure is honda built a police edition that was faster. Does anyone know of this?



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Re: Police Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:49 am

I've seen Goldwings used as police bikes, but as far as I know, there was never a purpose-built (by Honda) police bike edition.

The "sitting higher" can be caused simply by newer, fresher springs - I know when I replaced my rear shocks/springs with new ones, the bike rose up almost an inch. And if his bike is leaving you in his dust, there are a two possible reasons:

1. You and your bike weigh more than he and his bike do
2. His bike is developing more power than yours

Assuming the weights are similar, the easiest way to check a common cause of decreased power is to check engine compression. If his compression numbers are higher than yours (and I suspect they will be), then you'll have your answer right there.

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Re: Police Wing

Postby wbetheajr » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:23 am

assuming his compression is better than mine on my 82 that don't explain how he can leave my 92 1500 in the dust when is riding 2 up. This is one amazing 1100, we can not figure out what the difference is. I'm trying to find someone with an 1800 to put him in the dust (if they can)or just buy me a busa, lol

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Re: Police Wing

Postby Bouvier1 » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:23 am

Have you tried exchanging bikes - it may be riding technique!

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Re: Police Wing

Postby dingdong » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:13 am

A "well tuned" 1100 is equally as fast as an 1800 and faster than a 1500. It just doesn't have the low rpm torque that either if them do. I have a 93 1500 and a 76 1000 and the 1000 will out run the 1500 from stop through all the gears. (Running flat out at high rpms.) Roll on time acceleration in the higher gears is a different story.
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Re: Police Wing

Postby nsjoe » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:39 pm

dingdong wrote:A "well tuned" 1100 is equally as fast as an 1800 and faster than a 1500. It just doesn't have the low rpm torque that either if them do. I have a 93 1500 and a 76 1000 and the 1000 will out run the 1500 from stop through all the gears. (Running flat out at high rpms.) Roll on time acceleration in the higher gears is a different story.



I didn't know that an 1100 could catch an 1800. My 1200 sure never would have been close to my 1800.

I also know of several police Goldwing units, and they were just stock wings with lights and sirens.
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Re: Police Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:46 pm

nsjoe wrote:I didn't know that an 1100 could catch an 1800. My 1200 sure never would have been close to my 1800.


Next time we're out, we'll give your 1800 a try against my 1100. :) I suspect that from a standing start I might have you (you're ~250 lbs heavier than me) - but as soon as you get up to any kind of speed, where the engine is fighting more wind than acceleration of mass, the 1800 will pull away. I know for a fact that at highway speeds you can roll on the throttle and effortlessly leave me behind - because you've done it! :)

The 1100 doesn't have a lot of torque down low whereas the 1800 has gobs of it. I can get the 1100 to shoot off from a standing start and accelerate very quickly to around 65 mph, but it takes a copious amount of clutch slipping to do it, holding the engine in the revs where it is developing torque.

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Re: Police Wing

Postby nsjoe » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:21 am

WingAdmin wrote:
nsjoe wrote:I didn't know that an 1100 could catch an 1800. My 1200 sure never would have been close to my 1800.


Next time we're out, we'll give your 1800 a try against my 1100. :) I suspect that from a standing start I might have you (you're ~250 lbs heavier than me) - but as soon as you get up to any kind of speed, where the engine is fighting more wind than acceleration of mass, the 1800 will pull away. I know for a fact that at highway speeds you can roll on the throttle and effortlessly leave me behind - because you've done it! :)

The 1100 doesn't have a lot of torque down low whereas the 1800 has gobs of it. I can get the 1100 to shoot off from a standing start and accelerate very quickly to around 65 mph, but it takes a copious amount of clutch slipping to do it, holding the engine in the revs where it is developing torque.


Well, that certainly sounds like fun. I suspect that my 20 year newer and 65% larger engine may squeak by.
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Re: Police Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:25 am

I did some hunting and found some 1/4 mile times:

1975 GL 1000 12.95
1980 GL 1100 Standard 13.18
1986 GL 1200 Interstate 12.67
1985 GL 1200 LTD 12.88
1988 GL 1500 13.06
2001 GL 1800 12.87
2004 GL 1800 12.71

I also found these...

GL1100 dyno chart:

GL1100 Dyno Chart
GL1100 Dyno Chart


2004 GL1800 dyno chart:

2004 GL1800 Dyno Chart
2004 GL1800 Dyno Chart


Note how they are almost even at the start, but that massive amount of torque in the 1800 (90 ft lbs almost from idle!!) just hauls it away so much faster.

The GL1100 chart came from this specification page:

GL1100 Specifications
GL1100 Specifications

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Re: Police Wing

Postby nsjoe » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:54 pm

I didn't know the 1100 redlined at 8,000RPM.
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Re: Police Wing

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:51 am

nsjoe wrote:I didn't know the 1100 redlined at 8,000RPM.


It will go higher - there's no rev limiter. But the tach redline is at 8,000.




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