Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue


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Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by GregPWard » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:13 pm



Hi all,

I have the 1985 1200 Aspencade. Like many others I'm perturbed by Honda's failure to apply a safety cut-out, and have driven off before with side stand down!

I read a lot about various ideas people had to remedy this, warning light or alarm, a scematic to wire in a cutout bearing in mind clutch sensor etc. However no one seemed to offer a cast iron fix.

I've remedied my own fix, simple but effective. As the kickstand sits almost directly below the gear shift I've attached to it a stop bar that, until the kickstand is raised, prevents me from selecting 1st gear to move off. The stop bar snarls the shift and also makes if difficult to kick up as it obstructs the foot position under the gear shift. Result, I can't select gear to move off with kick stand down.

It's not a 100% perfect fix as if you left the bike in 1st after last ride you could override by starting the bike clutch in next time round although you'd then struggle to select 2nd gear once moving. However I always leave a bike in neutral before dismounting so for me it works well. I am working on an electrical fix but this is good at the moment.

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by WingAdmin » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:35 pm

What a brilliant and simple solution!

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by Aussie81Interstate » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:04 am

I would patent that - smart move- -smart idea - and simple to replicate..good job :)

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by GregPWard » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:15 am

I'm utterly happy to share and for people to replicate if it keeps us safe.

Let's face it, the Rolls Royce of bikes with a fatal flaw.......well on the earlier models.

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:23 am

GregPWard wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:15 am
I'm utterly happy to share and for people to replicate if it keeps us safe.

Let's face it, the Rolls Royce of bikes with a fatal flaw.......well on the earlier models.

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I remember the terror one day after having pulled over at the side of an Interstate to change gloves or do some other thing on my GL1100, then pulling back out into traffic. A few minutes later, at 70 mph, I happened to look down and saw my kickstand out there in the breeze! Very gently slowed down and pulled off to a stop, where I kicked it up and then headed back out. That could have been a terrible disaster!

We've had a couple users here who turned a corner at a relatively low speed after forgetting their kickstand down, and were pitched off their bike as the bike jumped and crashed.

My 1984 Honda 750 Interceptor had a kick stand kill switch, it's crazy that GL1200's made the same year (and later) did not.

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by GregPWard » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:28 pm

Totally agreed and on such a big bike.

I've only recently acquired mine but also have PC800 and a Bonneville. These two have a cut out switch!

The first time I rode off with stand down was also the last time. I refused to get on it again until remedied.

The stop bar took an evening of brainstorming and four hours making and fitting. Was more difficult because this bike has runner boards fitted and they got in the way of the stop bar as the stand was raised, so a lot of shaping and repositioning took place. But I got there.

I would suggest that fitting one where foot pegs, which I prefer, are still present should be a lot easier. There's plenty of clearance and no runner boards to get in the way.

I've not managed to ride off with the side stand down since so it seems to work ok.

I'm a watchmaker and repairer so the mechanical solution was far more logical to me.

I have devised a cut out switch solution that uses a cantilever system (mechanical again) where the switch is fitted to the stand and wires through to the engine cut out switch. If the stand is down a cantilever activated by the gear shift operates the switch and kills the engine if any gear is selected. If the stand is up the switch swings out of the way.

I've not yet had time to build the linkages but it will work. In the meantime my Wing needs riding so the stop bar solution solves the issue.

Good forum this by the way. Been very useful sharing peoples knowledge and expertise.

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:54 pm

My solution was a magnet switch epoxied to the frame, and a matching magnet epoxied to the kickstand. Looking at the Honda kickstand switches, I suspect they might be adaptable to the 4-cylinder wings. The PC800 (I have one too) is very similar to the GL!500 in many ways, including the kickstand switch. There are lots of duplicate "parts bin" parts on both bikes.

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by GregPWard » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:26 pm

Key for all solutions is that it is triggered by the shift of the gears, so your solution will work if the switch activates as result of the stand being down creating a magnetic field between gear shift and stand. Clever thinking and eliminates my cantilevers.

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by Rednaxs60 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:55 pm

Good project. Had the same issues and did ride off with the side stand down a couple of times. Did it once on an advanced riding course, bit embarrassed. I put a side stand safety switch on mine that works the same as the 1800 I had. Here;s the link - a bit more involved, but works a treat. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31378

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by LeMaitre » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:25 pm

Kickstand up, put my feet down at a stop light. Went to make a left hand turn a block later and heard the pavement on the stand. Canceled the turn and got the stand up.

Has anyone tried attaching a dragger that would push the stand back enough for the spring to lift it?

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:33 pm

LeMaitre wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:25 pm
Kickstand up, put my feet down at a stop light. Went to make a left hand turn a block later and heard the pavement on the stand. Canceled the turn and got the stand up.

Has anyone tried attaching a dragger that would push the stand back enough for the spring to lift it?

-Mark
The kickstand is supposed to have a rubber foot that does exactly this...but it doesn't work very well. You can see it sticking down on my GL1100 here:




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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by SlowTyper » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:20 am

I think you can flip the rubber foot over, which will make it work better until it develops a natural bend the other way. Then flip it again. Or, just don't ride off with the kickstand down... I did that once, and decided I will pay better attention to that from now on.

I actually prefer to have the kickstand down and the bike in gear when I am trying to persuade the bike to back up. That way, if my foot slips the kickstand will hopefully catch the bike. Or, if I have trouble backing, I can rock the bike by letting out the clutch momentarily. I am sure your mile will very -- and others will say I am crazy to do this. <grin>

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by WingAdmin » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:47 am

SlowTyper wrote:
Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:20 am
I think you can flip the rubber foot over, which will make it work better until it develops a natural bend the other way. Then flip it again. Or, just don't ride off with the kickstand down... I did that once, and decided I will pay better attention to that from now on.
The rubber never works well. At very slow speeds it might touch and push the kickstand back a bit, but at higher speeds, I found all that it did was grind away on the pavement.

I made myself a mnemonic checklist that I stuck to my dash on my 1100, to try to remind me. Kind of like a GUMPS pre-landing checklist we use in airplanes: Gas (on), Undercarriage (landing gear down), Mixture (full rich), Prop (full forward), Switches/Seatbelts (switches as needed, seatbelts fastened and tightened). Mine was GISH - Gas (petcock on), Indicators (turn signal not stuck on), Sidestand (up), Helmet (fastened). It worked...but not all the time. A couple times when I was in a hurry, I forgot, and that was scary to find - especially when you had been riding for ten minutes, then look down for some reason and realized your kickstand is sticking out in the wind!!

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by GregPWard » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:49 am

That's why I decided on the stop bar option. I have no choice but to raise the kickstand if I want to move off :
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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by BamBam424 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:26 am

Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue
Learned the hard way.
You stop on a beautiful first day of a 2 week vacation in Darrington WA pulling your gorgeous Cycle Camp tent trailer to eat a sandwich. Take off with your cousin behind you on his wing and I was on my beautiful classic 1979 GL1000 and now I find out why they put, or I should have put the rubber boot on the bottom of the kickstand, get up to speed of 60 and head into my first left hand corner and hear a scraping? Fear rolls up inside as I realize my kickstand is down and there is no way to make the corner, so hit front and back breaks!!!! To late!!!
I was trying to attach the pictures, but not able?

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Re: Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue

Post by WingAdmin » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:52 am

BamBam424 wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:26 am
Goldwing 1000/1100/1200 kickstand issue
Learned the hard way.
You stop on a beautiful first day of a 2 week vacation in Darrington WA pulling your gorgeous Cycle Camp tent trailer to eat a sandwich. Take off with your cousin behind you on his wing and I was on my beautiful classic 1979 GL1000 and now I find out why they put, or I should have put the rubber boot on the bottom of the kickstand, get up to speed of 60 and head into my first left hand corner and hear a scraping? Fear rolls up inside as I realize my kickstand is down and there is no way to make the corner, so hit front and back breaks!!!! To late!!!
I was trying to attach the pictures, but not able?
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