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Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:08 am



Just thoght I would pass this along....For those with dirty carbs especially from sitting up, A mechanic friend of mine put me on to this product... It works much better and much faster than seafoam. It is a Borg Warner product.. the P/N for it is BWD CSF53..You can get it at ORileys, but you will not find it on the shelf...They keep it in back for mechanics only. But if you ask for it, they will sell it to you. Not sure if all stores carry it, but at least you have a P/N to search for someone in your area that does carry it.

My 84Aspy had sat up for about 9 months with bad stator..until I got around to fixing it...Was running really rough, added a little of this stuff to the fuel, a few minutes later, all kinds of smoke, then clear exhaust and nice smooth engine... Just thought you might want to be aware of the stuff.



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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:07 pm

Wow, that's good to know, I'm gonna write that number down maybe next time I go there I'll ask if they will sell me some...Cool thanks... :D

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:20 pm

Hey LittleBeaver, not sure where you are at here in SA, but I get the stuff at the O'Rileys on the corner of Pecan Valley Dr and Goliad Rd. on the Southeast side.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby littlebeaver » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:30 pm

I know where that's at, thanks...We need to ride up and see WingAdmin. and buy him a cup of coffee...Or a Taco...Nacho's ha ha :lol: Once when he was on vacation in England or somewhere like that he ordered some Nacho's...ha ha ha funny stuff they were terrible there's photo's of it somewhere, I bet they think there yummy up that way though... :lol: That was at least a year ago..

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:30 pm

Sounds like a ride to me....Can put a lot of Mexican food in the back of a Wing. Might even throw in some tamales from Rubens on Rigsby....If you havn't been here long enough to know, they have the best, hands down tamales I have ever eaten...

As far as the P/N, I keep it in my wallet just in case I get some bad gas along the way on a trip. Have had one instance where it saved me while on a 6000 mile trip. It was funny, I had to call my mechanic from I forget whereever I was, somewhere between Yellowstone and Sturgis...to get the part number cuz no one knew what I was talking about. I think because actually it is actually an injection cleaner, not an OTC carb cleaner. You know how the folks that work at those places are now. If they are under 45 or so, all they know is punch in computer...Must have info computer wants or you get nothing....Not like the old days when you could go into a parts house, describe something or bring in an old unknown part and they come back with a new one...Might be from a differnt make and model, but would fit.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:08 am

Ruben's on Rigsby, isn't there a Pizza place on Rigsby that will make you a 54" Pizza pie...? I've been gone 23 years so I'm still learning what's new...You know I have all the original jets on this 81 and it runs fine, I just cleaned them up well...Sounds like this stuff your talking about is worth a try to keep things clean..I use a little Seafoam once in a blue moon..

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:33 am

That's how I plan to use it, as I have three bikes and tend to let them sit. Seems I need to work on one or two of them all the time. Never seem to get them all tip top at the same time. Like the 750.. now I need to rebuild the front caliper, or at least take it apart and clean it all up before riding it again.

The pizza place you are talking about is Big Lou's. It is just off Rigsby, on WW White about a block away from Rigsby. My personal taste for Pizza doesn't fit theirs, too much tomatoy sauce for me, but a lot of people really love it. Has become very popular.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:12 am

littlebeaver wrote:I know where that's at, thanks...We need to ride up and see WingAdmin. and buy him a cup of coffee...Or a Taco...Nacho's ha ha :lol: Once when he was on vacation in England or somewhere like that he ordered some Nacho's...ha ha ha funny stuff they were terrible there's photo's of it somewhere, I bet they think there yummy up that way though... :lol: That was at least a year ago..


Here ya go... viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5139&p=21634#p21633

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby Sempai » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:08 pm

HEY!!!!!!!!!!

So, I saw this thread and figured I ought to try this stuff out. Went to my neighborhood O'Reilly's and bought the only bottle of CSF53 they had on hand. The label was intact to the point that it was legible, but in order to get to the instructions (i'm assuming) I had to peel the back label . The label did not survive. I have googled the product and have been unsuccessful in finding instructions for its use. Can anyone tell me what the mix ratio is? How much CSF53 per gallon of gas??
Keep the rubber side down.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:00 pm

My mechanic said, 1 can to 20gal tank of gas. Its been working for me.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:21 pm

WingAdmin wrote:
littlebeaver wrote:I know where that's at, thanks...We need to ride up and see WingAdmin. and buy him a cup of coffee...Or a Taco...Nacho's ha ha :lol: Once when he was on vacation in England or somewhere like that he ordered some Nacho's...ha ha ha funny stuff they were terrible there's photo's of it somewhere, I bet they think there yummy up that way though... :lol: That was at least a year ago..


Here ya go... viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5139&p=21634#p21633


Hey Wing Man I thought they could buggle up Mexican food in the Philippines, but looks like the UK has them beat. Think they gave you the crumbs from the bottom of the Nacho Chips bag. Now littlebeaver said we should take ya some from down here in Texas, but after lookin at the 1400+ mi up ur way, maybe you should come down here and git it.

Also for those interested, on the Carb cleaning stuff, there is no real mixture suggested inside that label....just other languages than english for the other majority of folks livin in the USA. I had one bike that was really bad from sitting and would barely run. I dumped the gas, had about a gal or so in a can, so put that in and dumped about half a bottle in....Ran it that way for about 5 miles, then went to the station and filled the tank. By the time I got to the station, it was already smoothed out pretty much. After the tank it was good as gold. My mech just said it is a good idea to mix about 1 can to 20 gal of gas, and run it through couple times a year. Keeps everything nice and clean.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby RexAubrey » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:28 pm

I just ordered a couple bottles online. I could not find anyone who carried it around here.
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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:37 pm

RexAubrey wrote:I just ordered a couple bottles online. I could not find anyone who carried it around here.
Rex

I would like to have the site address if that isn't too much trouble, that's in case they don't want to sell it to me at o'riley ...Thank You

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby littlebeaver » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:40 pm

How many ounces per can do you get, then just break that number down by 4 equal amounts and that's how much you put into your bike tank, is that correct or does that sound right to you guy's? 20 gals. and we have 5 gal tanks..

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby Sempai » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:56 pm

Thanks for the info guys.
The bottle/can I just got is 12 ounces. So can figure 12oz/20gal is roughly 3 ounces to a full GL1500 tank (5gal.)
But if a guy can run half a bottle with a gallon of gas and come out just fine, well, I don't suppose there is too much to worry about, that would be equivalent to running 30 ounces in one full tank, more than two whole bottles! I'm excited to try this stuff out.
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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby twostrokes48 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:24 pm

I just looked and yea it is 12 oz....And it is called "ultra clean"....I did run the half bottle in a gal for as I said, about 5 miles....not sure I would want to run it that strong for very long...course don't know if it would hurt anything or not. But, sorta just wasting it unless your situation is really bad like mine was... That's why my mech said a can to 20 gal for general cleanup.

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby eklimek » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:52 pm

CSF53
Isopropanol 30%
Diacetone Alcohol 10%
Xylene 60%

http://www.bwdbrand.com/upload/BWD/Docu ... /CSF53.pdf

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby eklimek » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:56 pm

other fuel injector cleaners -

ingredients from this web site
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub ... er=1187818

MSDS data:
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Techron Concentrate
Distillates, hydrotreated light < 50 %weight Aka: Paint thinner(oil based)
Stoddard solvent < 35 %weight Aka: dry clean solvent, white solvent
Solvent naphtha, light aromatic 5 - 10 %weight : zippo lighter fluid
Benzene, 1,2,4-trimethyl- 95-63-6 1 - 5 %weight : powerful toxic solvent
Xylene , powerful solvent

Techron is naptha and 3 kinds of benenze.
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GUM OUT INJECTOR CLEANER (WINTER GRADE)

Chemical Percent
Trade secret or proprietary formula < 1 ( secret #1)
Petroleum distillate(s) (unspecified) 40-70 ( most likely paint thinner)
Detergent/Inhibitor mixture 1-10 ( secret #2 )
Isopropanol 30-50 (rubbing alcohol, GAS DRYER "CH3CHOHCH3")
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Seafoam ingredients:
1 PALE OIL 4229 40-60% = A base or process oil refined until its color = yellow.
2 NAPHTHA 20 25-35% solvent powerful , common in all good injector cleaners. Zippo juice !
3 IPA 125 10-20% = Isopropyl Alcohol (rubbing alcohol),
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"GM TEC" ingredients:

2-BUTOXYETHANOL, a paint and ink solvent , used even in Clorox cleaner 409
Naptha, , raises octane rating of gas, , simular to Zippo ligher fluid. Coleman camp fuel.
4-METHYL-2-PENTANOL, (aka:Methyl isobutyl carbinol) used as a lacquer paint tinner
9-OCTADECENDIC ACID.(aka:Oleic acid, found in Olive oil)

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BG-44k:

Light Aromatic Solvent Naphtha , ( Zippo lighter fluid)
1, 2, 4-Trimethylbenzene , commonly found in up to 7% by volume already in Gasoline.
Xylene ,(1,2-dimethylbenzene & 1,3-dimethylbenzene & 1,4-dimethylbenzene), xylol , powerful solvent
Cumene ,(isopropylbenzene, ) powerful solvent,raises octane of gasoline.
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GUNK , RADIATOR SPECIALTY COMPANY, FUEL INJECTION AIR INTAKE CLEANER

2-Propanone 30-60 % aka: Acetone
Ethylbenzene >10 % a powerful solvent
Hydrotreated Heavy Paraffinic Distillate 1-10 % weak solvent
Methanol 1-4% , solvent.
Propane 10-30% , gas
Toluene 15-45% ,powerful solvent
Xylene (mixed isomers) 5-20%
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Red Line SI-1
1-5% Alkenylamine - (a detergent ,even used sometimes,in baby shampoo)
1-10% Isoctanol - ( C8H18O , aka, 2-ethylhexan-1-ol, or Octyl alcohol)
1-10% 1,2,4 Trimethylbenzene , (C9H12 )
5-20% Aliphactic Napthta , zippo lighter fluid. , aka: white gas, low octane)
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Valvoline Complete Fuel System Cleaner
52 - 62% Kersosene
28-38% Light hydrotreated petroleum distillate
6-16% Stoddard Solvent ( stoddard is the name of the man who invented dry cleaning)

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby littlebeaver » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:35 pm

Wow, looks like someone did a little research here, thanks ...That's most awesome of you to do that for everyone... :D

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Re: Dirty Carbs

Postby eklimek » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:01 am

My pleasure. I wondered about these "mechanics in a can" treatments. Essentially they are all solvents which are incapable of sustaining combustion without dilution. To obtain maximal benefit the carbs should soak and thereby, perhaps, soften and solubilize the residue which is presumably obstructing fuel flow.

To do this one might dismantle the carbs or run in the engine with diluted solvent over time in the hopes things clear up.

To run full strength I found that one can pump the solvents full strength through the carbs if one maintains combustion by aerosol ether. I don't recommend this, not because it doesn't work, but because it is said to be poorly uncontrollable and explosive. A sniff of ether is all it takes to run. Since these are oily they will smoke like the dickens. I have wondered about doing this to store the vehicle over winter rather than drain the carbs.




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