GL1500 Shifter Brace


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GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:18 pm



Goldwingdocs user peppilepew came up with an idea for a product that solves a long standing problem - the GL1500 shifter.

The GL1500 shifter shaft comes out of the transmission, poking through an oil seal that keeps the oil inside the engine. From there it connects to a lever which offsets it for about an inch, where it connects to another shaft, which pokes out for about another five or six inches. At the end of this long shaft is where the shifter arm actually connects, and that's what you step on. A horrible design!

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As you would expect, the end result is that all the leverage on the shifter shaft that occurs from people stomping on the shifter eventually wears out the oil seal - and sometimes the bearings inside the transmission. The oil seal is a bear to change, but the bearings require engine removal and splitting the case - a very costly and time-consuming procedure.

peppilepew came up with a better way: a pivoting brace that fastens to the end of the shift shaft, right next to the shifter arm, that supports the far end. This takes all the strain off the shaft, and allows the shifter to move only in the way it is supposed to move. This is what he came up with:

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Carved precisely out of a solid aluminum billet with a CNC machine, this very precisely designed and manufactured item does exactly what it is designed to do. The pivot itself has a teflon-coated bushing inserted into it, for many years of problem-free shifting. How well does it work?





As you can see, it works amazingly well. Installation took me about 90 minutes, and that was including stopping along the way to take pictures. A small bit of trimming is required to the exhaust heat shield, I cover this in my How To install article. Unfortunately for me, I discovered along the way that it was too late for me - the oil seal on my shifter has already given up the ghost:

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See How to replace your GL1500 shifter oil seal for more on this process.

The unit is made of extremely high quality materials, and high quality fasteners are included. The only issue I had was fastening the pinch bolt on the shift shaft, as the exhaust gets in the way. More about this in my How To article. Perhaps having the pinch bolt insert from the other side would fix this.

**Note: The new version of the brace now being sold has made this change, so that the pinch bolt comes in from the right instead of the left.

The patent-pending GL1500 shifter brace gets two thumbs up from me - I wish I had it years ago!

The shifter brace will be available directly from peppilepew (website coming shortly), this web site, and are already available from Cyclemax.



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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby dingdong » Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:18 am

Funny you should mention the pinch bolt. That is the first thing I noticed when I saw the finished product installed. Wondered if it would have more clearance on the other side.
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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby WingAdmin » Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:44 am

dingdong wrote:Funny you should mention the pinch bolt. That is the first thing I noticed when I saw the finished product installed. Wondered if it would have more clearance on the other side.


I tried fitting it that way just to see what the clearance would be like, and it appeared like it would fit. Of course, the opposite side of the pinch area would have to be tapped instead, and the flat would have to be, well, flattened, to give the head of the bolt enough friction to butt up against.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby rottiman » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:19 pm

Well, got mine on this afternoon. I had already changed the seal while doing a whole lot of other off-season service and had wide open access to the whole area. Gotta say this item is a first-class job. It installed exactly as the enclosed instructions indicated. Took about 20 minutes to install and let me tell you the difference is night and day. The shifter now is precise and crisp. Gotta rate this one *****. I highly recommend this to all 1500 owners. :) ;)

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:22 pm

rottiman wrote:Well, got mine on this afternoon. I had already changed the seal while doing a whole lot of other off-season service and had wide open access to the whole area. Gotta say this item is a first-class job. It installed exactly as the enclosed instructions indicated. Took about 20 minutes to install and let me tell you the difference is night and day. The shifter now is precise and crisp. Gotta rate this one *****. I highly recommend this to all 1500 owners. :) ;)


Can you describe the changing the seal process for those of us who have yet to do it... :?
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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby cbx4evr » Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:23 pm

Replacing the seal itself isn't too difficult. The most work will be to get everything removed so you can access it.

Once you have done that you can punch a small hole in the seal and drive in a screw which you can then pull on to remove the seal from the housing. Once removed you just carefully press in the new seal. Put something around the splined end of the shaft so you don't damage the seal sliding it on the shaft.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby WingAdmin » Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:25 pm

Wingsconsin wrote:
rottiman wrote:Well, got mine on this afternoon. I had already changed the seal while doing a whole lot of other off-season service and had wide open access to the whole area. Gotta say this item is a first-class job. It installed exactly as the enclosed instructions indicated. Took about 20 minutes to install and let me tell you the difference is night and day. The shifter now is precise and crisp. Gotta rate this one *****. I highly recommend this to all 1500 owners. :) ;)


Can you describe the changing the seal process for those of us who have yet to do it... :?


Right here: How to replace your GL1500 shifter oil seal

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby wpgfire » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:25 am

OK. Now that I've ordered mine, I can tell you that Cyclemax has 'em on sale for $99 + shipping ($8) until Monday (Dec 2/13). Then they go back to $115 + shipping. Looks like a good product. If I decide to keep my Valk I may just have to purchase another.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace QUESTION

Postby TrikeBob » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:36 pm

I use a toe/heel shifter. Will the brace work with that type shifter?

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby gordonv » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:34 pm

wpgfire wrote:If I decide to keep my Valk I may just have to purchase another.



That is my first question, would this work on a Valkyrie? I don't know for sure, but the GW and Valk mount their crash guards differently. But I would think that the GL1500 motor case would have the same mounting points.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby tblank » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:49 pm

Will this work on an '85 1200 interstate? I've got a heel and toe shifter that is hard for me to get used to with floorboards. Every other bike I've had used pegs. Not much wiggle room with case savers.
Also, I looked in Cyclemax but couldn't find the shifter.
Thanks heaps for the oil seal replacement explanation.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby WingAdmin » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:26 pm

tblank wrote:Will this work on an '85 1200 interstate? I've got a heel and toe shifter that is hard for me to get used to with floorboards. Every other bike I've had used pegs. Not much wiggle room with case savers.
Also, I looked in Cyclemax but couldn't find the shifter.
Thanks heaps for the oil seal replacement explanation.


No, the GL1200 has a completely different shifter, and doesn't suffer from the same problem as the GL1500.

Cyclemax is out of stock at the moment, I believe.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby tblank » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:19 pm

Thank you sir for your helpful and timely reply. Will have to look into the oil seal issue. Again Many thanks for your service here.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby WingAdmin » Fri May 09, 2014 10:44 am

I can finally do a final update on this review now that I have the shifter installed and experience riding with it.

This past week was the first I got some real seat time on my GL1500, where I was in traffic and doing lots of shifting. The first thing I had to get used to was FINDING the shifter - the combination of the shifter no longer sagging to where it used to be, plus new riding boots without worn soles (I had worn a hole through the soles of my old ones) meant I kept missing the shifter when trying to downshift! That took about five minutes to get used to.

Now that I have some miles on it, I can say that it is a TREMENDOUS difference. The shifter is solid and precise, you can pre-load it accurately, and there is zero slop. What an improvement! I would highly recommend this product for ALL GL1500 owners.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby gypsy traveler » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:19 am

OK NOW, After this older post there is a lot of discussion about the pepe le pew brace "slipping" on what I am going to refer to as the "shift shaft extension" [sse] I need one of these on my new to me 99 SE. my thought if I have this slipping problem is to remove the sse, take it to my work bech, and with a SHARP CHISEL strike the sse in 3 spots-120 degrees apart from each other---these impressions should be parallel to the spline and located where the brace clamps to the sse. use restraint with your chisel...you can always restrike the impressions. With the 3 impressions being equidistant and full width of the clamp...it should square up nicely. I WILL TRY THIS ONLY IF IT SLIPS. If all you want to do is message me back endlessly about my terminology... please don't bother...If you don't like my idea/method...please let me know! ANDY This option is for myself use it if you like it! PS; the impressions will be slightly raised on their sides...thus a tighter fit. Again...ONLY 3 impressions to start with! ...you don't want the clamp crooked on the shaft! If all else fails...buy a new sse [if available]...the old one is probably a touch undersize! So be careful with your sand paper...maybe try a scotchbrite type pad instead.

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby Wingsconsin » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:47 am

gypsy traveler wrote:OK NOW, After this older post there is a lot of discussion about the pepe le pew brace "slipping" on what I am going to refer to as the "shift shaft extension" [sse] I need one of these on my new to me 99 SE. my thought if I have this slipping problem is to remove the sse, take it to my work bech, and with a SHARP CHISEL strike the sse in 3 spots-120 degrees apart from each other---these impressions should be parallel to the spline and located where the brace clamps to the sse. use restraint with your chisel...you can always restrike the impressions. With the 3 impressions being equidistant and full width of the clamp...it should square up nicely. I WILL TRY THIS ONLY IF IT SLIPS. If all you want to do is message me back endlessly about my terminology... please don't bother...If you don't like my idea/method...please let me know! ANDY This option is for myself use it if you like it! PS; the impressions will be slightly raised on their sides...thus a tighter fit. Again...ONLY 3 impressions to start with! ...you don't want the clamp crooked on the shaft! If all else fails...buy a new sse [if available]...the old one is probably a touch undersize! So be careful with your sand paper...maybe try a scotchbrite type pad instead.


I had installed 2 of these on my previous Goldwings
1- on my '96 that had over 125,000 miles on it and 1-on my sons 92 with 47,000 miles on it.
Neither one slipped in any fashion. I cleaned the sse and all the integral parts completely before installation so that may have mad a difference. The '96 had a severe seal leak so oil was kinda everywhere - the '92 was just road grime.
This mod helped both the bikes shift better and I feel it was a good investment - then I sold the bikes and moved to an 1800.
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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby gypsy traveler » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:36 am

As I stated... If I had the slippage problem that others had reported, the method of knurling that I described would likely be MY 1st choice. I threw it out there as an alternative to the various thread locker methods described by others. I believe that le pew has made a great product and I intend on picking one up!

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby carlleming » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:34 pm

I installed this on my 96 SE today. would this slipping thing you re referring to cause it not to shift into 1st gear or neutral after riding for a bit? I am going to take it back apart tomorrow and recheck everything to see if I did something wrong. :shock:

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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby NVSB4 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:08 pm

carlleming wrote:I installed this on my 96 SE today. would this slipping thing you re referring to cause it not to shift into 1st gear or neutral after riding for a bit? I am going to take it back apart tomorrow and recheck everything to see if I did something wrong. :shock:

Are you having issues shifting after you installed it? If so, you just need to move it a notch and make sure that the marks are aligned. I initially had the same problem when I installed mine.
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Re: GL1500 Shifter Brace

Postby carlleming » Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:25 pm

if you are referring to the marks on shifter and shaft, they are lined up. The only problem I am having is I cannot shift from 2nd to N or 1st gear. It is now late here but I will be out in the morning. Take it off and redo step by step to make sure it isnt hitting something or if it moved. I saw a post on goldwingfacts forum from Feb 2016 where someone else had this problem, but they never posted a fix. I am sure it is a minor fix just didnt want to take it all apart again LOL. Guess it is a good thing they are calling for rain tomorrow ;)




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